Ryanair on grass in Poland - Taxi incident
Saitek, will you please note that I have already said that the identity of the specific airline whose aircraft was involved in this incident is immaterial.
Questions:
Questions:
- Why was it necessary to attempt to use every inch of TORA?
- How well delineated is the stopway marking on this RW?
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Saitek,
At last an intelligent and civilised post.
I can only echo your sentiments regarding the captain involved,
Not only is he a gentleman of the highest order, he has forgotten more about aviation before he has his breakfast than most of us will ever know.
This is a storm in a tea cup, nobody hurt or injured.
The aircraft is already back in Stansted, no damage.
As a RYR instructor also, the standard of training is second to none, which is bore out when pilots from other airlines join, all bar none that i have had on conversion courses have been amazed and delighted with the standard of training, and is only getting better every year.
To call "Ryr pilots Monkeys", as some idiot did in an earlier post, which has thankfully been removed, just shows the standard of people slinging mud at RYR.
Ryr have and can annoy employees and customers alike, if you do not like the company, fine.
But to insult fellow aviators is uncalled for and out of order,
At last an intelligent and civilised post.
I can only echo your sentiments regarding the captain involved,
Not only is he a gentleman of the highest order, he has forgotten more about aviation before he has his breakfast than most of us will ever know.
This is a storm in a tea cup, nobody hurt or injured.
The aircraft is already back in Stansted, no damage.
As a RYR instructor also, the standard of training is second to none, which is bore out when pilots from other airlines join, all bar none that i have had on conversion courses have been amazed and delighted with the standard of training, and is only getting better every year.
To call "Ryr pilots Monkeys", as some idiot did in an earlier post, which has thankfully been removed, just shows the standard of people slinging mud at RYR.
Ryr have and can annoy employees and customers alike, if you do not like the company, fine.
But to insult fellow aviators is uncalled for and out of order,
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Hawkwing,
You suggest this particular Captain has enormous amounts of experience. There are many Pilots that have similar or more experience levels. If anything, that makes his defence more difficult.
If we are honest with each other, some Pilots who fly for FR are there because most would be unsuitable for the major flag carriers. Additionally, it could be argued that obtaining a job and passing interview with FR including a Captain upgrade is a much easier path to the left hand seat, than say CX, SIA, BA for example.
It may be the biggest airline in Europe, but its not a REAL airline from a pilots perspective, hence the reason why most FR pilots can't wait to leave. Flying for that goose MOL is a crap job and always will be! Sorry to say.
You suggest this particular Captain has enormous amounts of experience. There are many Pilots that have similar or more experience levels. If anything, that makes his defence more difficult.
If we are honest with each other, some Pilots who fly for FR are there because most would be unsuitable for the major flag carriers. Additionally, it could be argued that obtaining a job and passing interview with FR including a Captain upgrade is a much easier path to the left hand seat, than say CX, SIA, BA for example.
It may be the biggest airline in Europe, but its not a REAL airline from a pilots perspective, hence the reason why most FR pilots can't wait to leave. Flying for that goose MOL is a crap job and always will be! Sorry to say.
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A/C back at STN?
Bet that sandtrap did both CFMs the world of good. Having worked with Mr Boeing for several years, I'd have thought NDT inspections/retractions on the NLG would be required before routing back to Blighty -even if it were a gear down ferry flight. Seem to recall AMM calls for all wheels/brakes off for cleaning/replacement if any debris found in bearings/brake components for an off-runway excursion.. Just seems an awfully quick a/c recovery from Eastern Europe to UK. Anyone shed any light?
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OOseven,
Not all pilots at RYR are unhappy,
Yes there are alot of things in RYR that could be better,
That argument is for another thread,
But to be calling all RYR pilots monkeys, and to be insulting RYR pilots about their abilities, is way out of order.
Thanfully those posts have been removed last night.
Also, what makes you think this Captain has not come here from a flag carrier.
Not all pilots at RYR are unhappy,
Yes there are alot of things in RYR that could be better,
That argument is for another thread,
But to be calling all RYR pilots monkeys, and to be insulting RYR pilots about their abilities, is way out of order.
Thanfully those posts have been removed last night.
Also, what makes you think this Captain has not come here from a flag carrier.
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Bet that sandtrap did both CFMs the world of good. Having worked with Mr Boeing for several years, I'd have thought NDT inspections/retractions on the NLG would be required before routing back to Blighty -even if it were a gear down ferry flight. Seem to recall AMM calls for all wheels/brakes off for cleaning/replacement if any debris found in bearings/brake components for an off-runway excursion.. Just seems an awfully quick a/c recovery from Eastern Europe to UK. Anyone shed any light?
Whatever peoples opinions of Ryanair they seem to at least take a sensible and thorough approach to their maintenance.
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Saitek
As a pilot and "instructor" with RYR, you are obviously proof of the "fast track" route to the LHS and a training position, that would not be possible in a lot of other airlines, especially since your profile shows "Currently CPL holder completing ATPL integrated course at Oxford Aviation"
As a pilot and "instructor" with RYR, you are obviously proof of the "fast track" route to the LHS and a training position, that would not be possible in a lot of other airlines, especially since your profile shows "Currently CPL holder completing ATPL integrated course at Oxford Aviation"
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Those of you who are continual RYR bashers and posters should consider the phrase "Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones" as incidents like this can well happen to your flight.
If the Captain of that flight is the person whom I think he is, he has always been one of the most professional that I have had the privilege to know, and as it has already been said probably more hours in the hold than some pilots posting on here have in total.
As a professional pilot with over 35 years in civil aviation, I will not sit on the sidelines and hear RYR slagged off at every chance the low lives among you choose.
I have personal knowledge of the standards achieved during training at RYR, their SOP's are well written and cover every eventuality, especially as they have a diversity of nationalities, English language skills, and pilot experience within the organisation.
None of the above are known to be a factor in this incident.
I would suggest that continued RYR bashers are those who know little about RYR or have failed to reach the required standard at interview or training.
If they are just passengers then, you have freedom of speech but no right to be critical of well trained professional pilots.
If you are fellow pilots then where did selection and CRM training go wrong, as your general attitude stinks, and I could call into question your parentage and professional ability.
The politics and practices of RYR management is not the remit of this part of the forum, and as a fellow poster has said this is not the thread to discuss them.
As to call RYR not a real airline, the poster could not be more wrong they are as real as any legacy carrier, and will be operating after many of the low costs and some legacy carriers in Europe cease to exist.
Lets give the Crew of this flight time to reflect, and hopefully soon to get back in the saddle.
It is a minor Taxiing incident, yet costly in terms of prestige and financial penalty with an aircraft out of service.
It's time we let those whose pay grade is above ours and who have been trained to investigate such things make their investigation without pre-conceived ideas.
And I end on a final comment to the "Bashers" !!
"It can as easily have happened to YOU".
If the Captain of that flight is the person whom I think he is, he has always been one of the most professional that I have had the privilege to know, and as it has already been said probably more hours in the hold than some pilots posting on here have in total.
As a professional pilot with over 35 years in civil aviation, I will not sit on the sidelines and hear RYR slagged off at every chance the low lives among you choose.
I have personal knowledge of the standards achieved during training at RYR, their SOP's are well written and cover every eventuality, especially as they have a diversity of nationalities, English language skills, and pilot experience within the organisation.
None of the above are known to be a factor in this incident.
I would suggest that continued RYR bashers are those who know little about RYR or have failed to reach the required standard at interview or training.
If they are just passengers then, you have freedom of speech but no right to be critical of well trained professional pilots.
If you are fellow pilots then where did selection and CRM training go wrong, as your general attitude stinks, and I could call into question your parentage and professional ability.
The politics and practices of RYR management is not the remit of this part of the forum, and as a fellow poster has said this is not the thread to discuss them.
As to call RYR not a real airline, the poster could not be more wrong they are as real as any legacy carrier, and will be operating after many of the low costs and some legacy carriers in Europe cease to exist.
Lets give the Crew of this flight time to reflect, and hopefully soon to get back in the saddle.
It is a minor Taxiing incident, yet costly in terms of prestige and financial penalty with an aircraft out of service.
It's time we let those whose pay grade is above ours and who have been trained to investigate such things make their investigation without pre-conceived ideas.
And I end on a final comment to the "Bashers" !!
"It can as easily have happened to YOU".
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I haven't seen this picture posted before in the thread (sorry if it has been) :
http://lotnictwo.net/foto.php?id=138090
It was daylight in good weather. What were they thinking ? Could they have thought the overrun area was pavement due to some light effect....?
http://lotnictwo.net/foto.php?id=138090
It was daylight in good weather. What were they thinking ? Could they have thought the overrun area was pavement due to some light effect....?
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Originally Posted by despegue
On what proof do you claim that FR is busting minima/ weather limitations?!
You can analyse the landings of different airlines on any given day with marginal weather at EPWA,
and yo will see, who landed, and who diverted or stayed in holding.
Originally Posted by despegue
I am not flying for Ryanair, but get really annoyed by all these idiots whose only objective is ryanairbashing and not trying to find out cause and consequence, like professionals with Safety in mind would.
BTW: why nobody of you Proud Professional Pilots want to comment on my questions and remarks on the "Just Culture" concept to promote safety ???
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It is probably not the ability to spell ‘instructor’, or for that matter, ‘department’ that demonstrates the level of intelligence, rather his generalisation from the specific! An all too common occurrence on PPRuNe.
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this ones for you ivor
yes it is an unfortunate embarrassing episode what happened to the two guys yesterday and with everyone on here passing judgement on their actions myself included i am starting to fell a bit sorry for them because if it happened to me all i would want to do is bury my head in the sand 
i cant believe that no one taught of it......i will get my jacket and await the backlash.
who says i dont have a sense of humour?
if you cant laugh at yourself,then you cant laugh at anyone else
i cant believe that no one taught of it......i will get my jacket and await the backlash.
who says i dont have a sense of humour?
if you cant laugh at yourself,then you cant laugh at anyone else
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Shall we see how Ryanair treat the Captain and F/O after this minor incident? Maybe the way they "discipline" this crew will affect the opinion that most professional pilots have of the company and their "blame" culture. Sensible reaction to this mishap may change the attitude of a lot of people for the better, we can all make mistakes, an over the top reaction will only reinforce those deep held opinions many of us have.
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Always makes me laugh,
the way some of the RYR boys rush to protect the company -me thinks they protest too much.
As for the pilot involved it doesn't matter how many hours/years etc they have been flying its all irrelevant once something happens - remember tenerife ?That was KLM's top man,even featuring in their brochures so his 30 year career or whatever was wiped out in a heart beat.
In this case the chap made a mistake - we all make them.No big deal, no problem end of story.
the way some of the RYR boys rush to protect the company -me thinks they protest too much.
As for the pilot involved it doesn't matter how many hours/years etc they have been flying its all irrelevant once something happens - remember tenerife ?That was KLM's top man,even featuring in their brochures so his 30 year career or whatever was wiped out in a heart beat.
In this case the chap made a mistake - we all make them.No big deal, no problem end of story.
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Again, Kick The Tire, got this thread on track!
Why cross the solid white line?-- Bad paint?
Why leave paved surface?-- Light? Texture of Stopway?
Waiting for the report!
Empati
Why cross the solid white line?-- Bad paint?
Why leave paved surface?-- Light? Texture of Stopway?
Waiting for the report!
Empati