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Its easy.Just fire all 3000 odd pilots who go on strike,pay them the minimum statuary wrongful dismissal amount,and replace them overnight with the glut of experienced pilots currently on the market.Thats what anyone with an ounce of commonsense would do.
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This thread has become eerily quiet in the last 48 hours . . . . .
The "talks" have made it nearly to the end of day 2. Neither side has picked up the football and gone home yet?
Must be regarded as grounds for optimism.
Perhaps my new airbeds will now not see the light of day.....or more accurately Terminal 1 floor.
The "talks" have made it nearly to the end of day 2. Neither side has picked up the football and gone home yet?
Must be regarded as grounds for optimism.
Perhaps my new airbeds will now not see the light of day.....or more accurately Terminal 1 floor.
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When I say overnight sure it may be a few days while they learn English and get a work permit but cross bridges as you get to them is what I say.Just cause BALPA are holding 4 aces in this poker game does not mean you cant bluff them.Bunch of loosers.
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M.M. availed us of his IR knowledge...
Are you a BA manager, because that's the sort of purile argument that they too have been spouting? 
Not only would sacking us cost them a fortune in wrongful dismissal cases, I am led to believe individual lawsuits for loss of earnings etc would quickly follow (since the strike would be legal). And think of the animosity should we be dismissed & then re-instated. Because the "glut of experienced pilots" simply only exists in your mind. We are just about managing to recruit at the moment, never mind an additional 3000. And who's going to train them? A legal minefield for BA.
They didn't sack the cabin crew last year, and I think it nigh on impossible for BA to sack >2500 pilots and expect to have a solvent business. And that, for the Board, would see them in prison.
Red herring me old china...
Now next time you post please add smileys so that we know you are joking. If you're serious please go away and grow up.
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Its easy.Just fire all 3000 odd pilots who go on strike,pay them the minimum statuary wrongful dismissal amount,and replace them overnight with the glut of experienced pilots currently on the market.Thats what anyone with an ounce of commonsense would do.
Not only would sacking us cost them a fortune in wrongful dismissal cases, I am led to believe individual lawsuits for loss of earnings etc would quickly follow (since the strike would be legal). And think of the animosity should we be dismissed & then re-instated. Because the "glut of experienced pilots" simply only exists in your mind. We are just about managing to recruit at the moment, never mind an additional 3000. And who's going to train them? A legal minefield for BA.
They didn't sack the cabin crew last year, and I think it nigh on impossible for BA to sack >2500 pilots and expect to have a solvent business. And that, for the Board, would see them in prison.
Red herring me old china...
Now next time you post please add smileys so that we know you are joking. If you're serious please go away and grow up.
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Thought you gentlemen might want to join the 'Open Skies' blog 
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As Mr Moss says himself.."Help us forge the future of airline travel. Join the conversation."
See:
http://flyopenskies.com/
As Mr Moss says himself.."Help us forge the future of airline travel. Join the conversation."
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MM,
Hopefully you were posting TiC. If not, idol detent failed to mention that mass firing and rehiring is also illegal under UK law.
A few of us tried by posting the question:
"Why will Open Skies not be crewed by BA pilots?"
Strangely, we were moderated and our questions were not posted. Methinks Mr. Moss' conversation is a little one-sided. 
Hopefully you were posting TiC. If not, idol detent failed to mention that mass firing and rehiring is also illegal under UK law.
Thought you gentlemen might want to join the 'Open Skies' blog
See:
http://flyopenskies.com/
As Mr Moss says himself.."Help us forge the future of airline travel. Join the conversation."
See:
http://flyopenskies.com/
As Mr Moss says himself.."Help us forge the future of airline travel. Join the conversation."
"Why will Open Skies not be crewed by BA pilots?"
Strangely
, we were moderated and our questions were not posted. Methinks Mr. Moss' conversation is a little one-sided.
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Words fail me.
However, we won’t necessarily drop a comment just because it isn’t favourable to OpenSkies. (That wouldn’t be very “open” of us.)
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Gentlemen,
This is all going as expected. Koi is on his third box of tissues. Don't expect a happy outcome for those that go on strike. BA management will prevail. BA pilots are no longer able to regard themselves as a special case for T and C's nor will BA managers. Check out the reaction from your customers and competitors. You chose to pick a fight that it is impossible for you to win. Ask any sales team or manager in another industry. You had it coming to you and......yes, here it is. Time to DODAR and NUTA methinks. Really put that expensive training to good use.
Why don't you just turn left and drive as it says in your ops manual.
KC135777 just exactly what special skills do you have to offer your employer, your public would love to know. The BA incident / safety records over the years just don't appear to reflect anything special. However the BA PR dept does a magnificent job. Aye.
Koi
This is all going as expected. Koi is on his third box of tissues. Don't expect a happy outcome for those that go on strike. BA management will prevail. BA pilots are no longer able to regard themselves as a special case for T and C's nor will BA managers. Check out the reaction from your customers and competitors. You chose to pick a fight that it is impossible for you to win. Ask any sales team or manager in another industry. You had it coming to you and......yes, here it is. Time to DODAR and NUTA methinks. Really put that expensive training to good use.
Why don't you just turn left and drive as it says in your ops manual.
KC135777 just exactly what special skills do you have to offer your employer, your public would love to know. The BA incident / safety records over the years just don't appear to reflect anything special. However the BA PR dept does a magnificent job. Aye.
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History will judge who has DODARed and NUTAd, BALPA or BA management. BA claims that this operation will entail a maximum of 6 hulls and is a very marginally profitable endeavour - so much so that BA pilots earning the same as DEPs would so screw the margins as to make it fail. Why risk losing many millions of pounds to make a small profit? The only answer a reasonable man might come to is that this is a front - that a different model to that we are being told about is being rolled out. Ask the Qantas pilots about Jetstar and the Iberia pilots about Clickair, and about the reassurances they were given by their respective managements about those operations and the effect they would have on T&C's. BA pilots would be exceptionally stupid to allow this to happen to them. As to what anyone else thinks about it - who cares? BA can spin it anyway they like.
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Koi,
Firstly you will notice I am not hiding behind an Alias.
I am glad to notice that there is still so much Jealousy in the industry. You seem to have strong feeling towards BA pilots...... It leads me to wonder if you may have applied in the past and not got in?
The simple fact is....
If BA's terms and conditions get knocked (i.e.. a significant benchmark in the Industry lowered), people will no longer leave Easy, Mon, TC, Tfly, Flybe, VA, A2K, MT, etc. to join BA, then with no movement in the industry, T's and C's in all companies WILL (eventually) fall too.
Your ranting on sounds more like a personal vendetta than an informed view on what's best for all pilots, industry wide in the UK.
Even Night Freight pilots may one day feel the pinch.
Firstly you will notice I am not hiding behind an Alias.
I am glad to notice that there is still so much Jealousy in the industry. You seem to have strong feeling towards BA pilots...... It leads me to wonder if you may have applied in the past and not got in?
The simple fact is....
If BA's terms and conditions get knocked (i.e.. a significant benchmark in the Industry lowered), people will no longer leave Easy, Mon, TC, Tfly, Flybe, VA, A2K, MT, etc. to join BA, then with no movement in the industry, T's and C's in all companies WILL (eventually) fall too.
Your ranting on sounds more like a personal vendetta than an informed view on what's best for all pilots, industry wide in the UK.
Even Night Freight pilots may one day feel the pinch.
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Sam,
This is not a rant, merely making the point that competition, customer driven, and now very focused is forcing these changes on your managers and thus onto the employee. Fifteen years ago pilots and their managers were talking on this subject. We said that it just couldn't last...and it hasn't. It is somewhat amusing to see the hundreds of posts from BA pilots flexing their muscles and mouths, startled at the reality of what is about to happen. Of course there is another management agenda. There always is. But do pray look about you and not just at home ! Check the status of Spain, Hong Kong, USA, India, UK. Most of us have been living this way for the last 18 years and getting on with our lives. There is little to be changed for us by a change in your T and C's.
The historical migration of pilots away from the Independants and into BA has been costly and unnecessary and has screwed the retention & recruitment plans of so many airlines in the past and completely distorted the market. Did you ever invisage the playing field being flattened.
Sam, what we have now is, simply put, a free for all. Get used to it. Embrace it.
Please can we have some latin guys. I do so miss.
Koi
This is not a rant, merely making the point that competition, customer driven, and now very focused is forcing these changes on your managers and thus onto the employee. Fifteen years ago pilots and their managers were talking on this subject. We said that it just couldn't last...and it hasn't. It is somewhat amusing to see the hundreds of posts from BA pilots flexing their muscles and mouths, startled at the reality of what is about to happen. Of course there is another management agenda. There always is. But do pray look about you and not just at home ! Check the status of Spain, Hong Kong, USA, India, UK. Most of us have been living this way for the last 18 years and getting on with our lives. There is little to be changed for us by a change in your T and C's.
The historical migration of pilots away from the Independants and into BA has been costly and unnecessary and has screwed the retention & recruitment plans of so many airlines in the past and completely distorted the market. Did you ever invisage the playing field being flattened.
Sam, what we have now is, simply put, a free for all. Get used to it. Embrace it.
Please can we have some latin guys. I do so miss.
Koi
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Check the status of Spain, Hong Kong, USA, India, UK. Most of us have been living this way for the last 18 years and getting on with our lives. There is little to be changed for us by a change in your T and C's.