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GS Alpha,
No sir, not jealous, just astounded at your collective lack of understanding of what has been going on around you for the last few years. Do you watch the BBC or rely on Balpa for your news !
Now guys, please..please can someone tell me what the Latin term is for schadenfreude.
Koi
No sir, not jealous, just astounded at your collective lack of understanding of what has been going on around you for the last few years. Do you watch the BBC or rely on Balpa for your news !
Now guys, please..please can someone tell me what the Latin term is for schadenfreude.
Koi
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To quote koi on a mytravel thread:
"I watch with sheer horror at what is happening to an airline where I spent over 11 years in the left seat boeing -bus all types. There is an urgent need to change the Dfo who has done so much damage to relations with the pilot workforce when there was always another way. He is simply following his agenda as is the brief. This is happening all over the industry from Cathay to States airlines. There has never been a better reason for a young pilot to seriously consider retraining for another career and limit the damage further. If you think it is going to be better at the national carrier or another charter org you would be wrong. I lay the blame for this at our own door. We should have become a highly organised and Chartered profession decades ago as has benefited the other professions. It is now far to late. Think - family first and get out to a fresh start. Good luck to all."
Maybe koi you should be happy that BA pilots are actually standing up for themselves . If pilots in every other airline stood united, had a strong union and the balls and sense not to allow management and bean counters to ruin the profession, then those young/aspiring pilots might actually have a career ahead of them to look forward to.
Some people make things happen,
Some watch things happen,
While others wonder what has happened.
You my friend are certainly not the former.
randomair
"I watch with sheer horror at what is happening to an airline where I spent over 11 years in the left seat boeing -bus all types. There is an urgent need to change the Dfo who has done so much damage to relations with the pilot workforce when there was always another way. He is simply following his agenda as is the brief. This is happening all over the industry from Cathay to States airlines. There has never been a better reason for a young pilot to seriously consider retraining for another career and limit the damage further. If you think it is going to be better at the national carrier or another charter org you would be wrong. I lay the blame for this at our own door. We should have become a highly organised and Chartered profession decades ago as has benefited the other professions. It is now far to late. Think - family first and get out to a fresh start. Good luck to all."
Maybe koi you should be happy that BA pilots are actually standing up for themselves . If pilots in every other airline stood united, had a strong union and the balls and sense not to allow management and bean counters to ruin the profession, then those young/aspiring pilots might actually have a career ahead of them to look forward to.
Some people make things happen,
Some watch things happen,
While others wonder what has happened.
You my friend are certainly not the former.
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koi
Oh koi. You poor darling! No wonder you're using up so much Kleenex!
What you meant to say is, 'it hasn't - for you!' I sympathise. Really I do! Had you made different choices, it could have been SO much better!
Now watch, and learn how the big boys do it!
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Carry on my friend! Enjoy. 
We said that it just couldn't last...and it hasn't
What you meant to say is, 'it hasn't - for you!' I sympathise. Really I do! Had you made different choices, it could have been SO much better!
Now watch, and learn how the big boys do it!
Most of us have been living this way for the last 18 years and getting on with our lives.
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merely making the point that competition, customer driven, and now very focused is forcing these changes on your managers and thus onto the employee.
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"competition"? uh-huh, sure....
I'm not a "black helicopter" guy, BUT.....
airlines DO collude/collaborate on labor cost issues/techniques.
(see www.aircon.org )
when the cost of producing a product goes up, what do most businesses do?
they raise their prices.
If you think that the airline managements of the world would not take a few years of pain (by not raising prices to ensure profit), in order to turn the clock back on pilot pay/T&Cs/work rules about 20-30 years, you are WRONG.
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"competition"? uh-huh, sure....
I'm not a "black helicopter" guy, BUT.....
airlines DO collude/collaborate on labor cost issues/techniques.
(see www.aircon.org )
when the cost of producing a product goes up, what do most businesses do?
they raise their prices.
If you think that the airline managements of the world would not take a few years of pain (by not raising prices to ensure profit), in order to turn the clock back on pilot pay/T&Cs/work rules about 20-30 years, you are WRONG.
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Have you see how much money BA are making
BA are making money hand over fist and even if it does not last, they are still making money.
That is another reason why BA pilots have to fight to keep what they have , times are good!! Imagine what will have to be given up when belts have to be tightened.
i think it is obvious koi is regretful and looking at BA pilots with envoy.
You should have fought the fight when it was your time, now let the BA pilots do it.
I am guessing that you are a manager of sorts, either that or you deserve to be on whatever deal you have.
That is another reason why BA pilots have to fight to keep what they have , times are good!! Imagine what will have to be given up when belts have to be tightened.
i think it is obvious koi is regretful and looking at BA pilots with envoy.
You should have fought the fight when it was your time, now let the BA pilots do it.
I am guessing that you are a manager of sorts, either that or you deserve to be on whatever deal you have.
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Thats odd!
Caought uo with this thread this morning approx 0800 GMT, its now 1630 GMT some posts have been removed. From memory, one of them was asking if "Koi" was a steward.
Where are the posts, and why were they removed?
Now end of Day 5 of the "talks" - still no sign of any public statement. There are THOUSANDS of families waiting to hear something about whether or not to bin their Easter holiday plans.
Where are the posts, and why were they removed?
Now end of Day 5 of the "talks" - still no sign of any public statement. There are THOUSANDS of families waiting to hear something about whether or not to bin their Easter holiday plans.
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If we do go on strike, BALPA have to give BA seven days notice, and it has to actually commence by 19th March (possibly even the 18th?). So I think we can expect an announcement early next week at the very latest, but quite possibly some time this weekend.
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This sounds very grim.......................However, I am entirely confident that the BACC did all that they could to bring about a mutually acceptable conclusion to these discussions. BA management are a disgrace and a joke to boot. Bring it on..........
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BALPA - the statement goes:
Breakdown of Talks
British Airways and BALPA have been engaged in talks led by ACAS aimed at resolving the dispute concerning Schedule K which resulted in 86% of pilots supporting strike action. These talks have broken down.
Despite BALPA’s willingness to accept the cost base proposed by BA for OpenSkies and to meet any additional costs that would arise from providing OpenSkies pilots with access to mainline, BA was not prepared to provide the employment security and career development opportunities which are at the heart of the dispute.
BALPA said it would consider its position in the light of BA’s stated intention to seek a High Court injunction preventing BA Pilots from taking strike action on the issue of Schedule K.
British Airways and BALPA have been engaged in talks led by ACAS aimed at resolving the dispute concerning Schedule K which resulted in 86% of pilots supporting strike action. These talks have broken down.
Despite BALPA’s willingness to accept the cost base proposed by BA for OpenSkies and to meet any additional costs that would arise from providing OpenSkies pilots with access to mainline, BA was not prepared to provide the employment security and career development opportunities which are at the heart of the dispute.
BALPA said it would consider its position in the light of BA’s stated intention to seek a High Court injunction preventing BA Pilots from taking strike action on the issue of Schedule K.
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Overstress
Thanks for the clarification.
Hotel Mode
Thanks for your useful comment. This is a RUMOUR forum, and as an Easter long haul BA ticket holder I was simply attempting to develop FACT from RUMOUR in order to start planning ahead.
Can anyone shed more light on this proposed Injuction?
Thanks for the clarification.
Hotel Mode
Thanks for your useful comment.
This is a RUMOUR forum, and as an Easter long haul BA ticket holder I was simply attempting to develop FACT from RUMOUR in order to start planning ahead.Can anyone shed more light on this proposed Injuction?
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The last riposte of a desparate man. I'm surprised that ACAS wasted their time with BA.
There's more than an airline and shareholder's money at stake here. There's their egos.
Good weekend to be a lawyer though. What a way to run a company? They must really hate us.
Interestingly enough, it appears that ACAS might be on strike too
There's more than an airline and shareholder's money at stake here. There's their egos.
Good weekend to be a lawyer though. What a way to run a company? They must really hate us.
Interestingly enough, it appears that ACAS might be on strike too
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Well if BA are going for an injunction, they presumably finally believe we are deadly serious about striking and that BALPA have sufficient strength to really hurt them. Otherwise they would just let us strike, watch us fold, and bye bye BALPA. We have them on the back foot. BA will try for this injunction and then when (if?) they fail, they will hopefully wet themselves and capitulate. I just hope they are unsuccessful in obtaining it.
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If they thought we were pi$$ed off before they want to try talking to the boys (and girls) today....
If Willie thinks we're going to capitulate and roll over he's got an almighty shock coming.
I apologise to any of the travelling public booked with BA over the next month but this is my livelihood for the next 25 years I'm fighting for.
If Willie thinks we're going to capitulate and roll over he's got an almighty shock coming.
I apologise to any of the travelling public booked with BA over the next month but this is my livelihood for the next 25 years I'm fighting for.