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I also seem to remember that 'Ronnie' offered 'Maggie' the unequivocal use of a full American Carrier battle group for the Falklands conflict.
Which was rejected by Maggie who stated that 'Britain can reclaim what is hers on her own'.
Now what is your point?
Which was rejected by Maggie who stated that 'Britain can reclaim what is hers on her own'.
Now what is your point?
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Not sure how much of this thread you have been following, however...
You should be made aware that many posters have emerged from nowhere, and created identities simply to post on THIS thread. A BA manager has been caught using multiple FALSE identites to have conversations with himself! here. (Needless to say - NOT in support of the pilots!)
As these are anonymous forums, you may like to view Flying Grasshopper's join date and posting history, and draw suitable conclusions. Things aren't always what they seem!
In the meantime, we The Pilots of BA are grateful for your support, both in our disagreement, and also in this increasingly bizarre corner of cyberspace!
But I'm hoping you will hear virtually nothing from us here.
For the moment!
Not sure how much of this thread you have been following, however...
You should be made aware that many posters have emerged from nowhere, and created identities simply to post on THIS thread. A BA manager has been caught using multiple FALSE identites to have conversations with himself! here. (Needless to say - NOT in support of the pilots!)
As these are anonymous forums, you may like to view Flying Grasshopper's join date and posting history, and draw suitable conclusions. Things aren't always what they seem!
In the meantime, we The Pilots of BA are grateful for your support, both in our disagreement, and also in this increasingly bizarre corner of cyberspace!
But I'm hoping you will hear virtually nothing from us here.
For the moment!
Fortunately Grasshopper's grasp of history is as tenuous as his understanding of the current situation. I really do hope he/she isn't a BA manager because we really would be in trouble then!
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I bet APA support will not extend to refusing to fly aeroplanes with BA pax rebooked on American carriers in the event of BALPA industrial action, the support will prove to be very hollow in such an event. The Americans will be laughing all the way to the bank, I suspect the US support will be similar to that showed by them during the Falklands conflict.
So, what do they do ? Refuse to fly because there are some "ex BA" pax on their aircraft. Same goes for every other carrier to/from UK.
Somehow doubt the "support" will run that deep?
But...you never know?
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Timesonline.co.uk business section reports today that concilliation talks are due to begin March 3rd. It also reports APA support and hints that AA flights may also be affected by any industrial action.
If both sides are so determined to find a solution, as they reported last Friday, why the 10 day delay in commencing talks? If there is common ground why not discuss it without delay?
What have BA management been doing to resolve this dispute since Friday....hardly represents determination to reach an amicable agreement does it?
The travelleing public must be bewildered and getting really, really hacked off now
If both sides are so determined to find a solution, as they reported last Friday, why the 10 day delay in commencing talks? If there is common ground why not discuss it without delay?
What have BA management been doing to resolve this dispute since Friday....hardly represents determination to reach an amicable agreement does it?
The travelleing public must be bewildered and getting really, really hacked off now
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There's a statement on the intranet to the effect that until negotiations via ACAS have concluded there will be no further statements.
Talks begin March 3rd, lets hope an amicable agreement is made that avoids the need to upset our valuable customers yet again.
Talks begin March 3rd, lets hope an amicable agreement is made that avoids the need to upset our valuable customers yet again.
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I see that as per usual a number of posters have completely missed the point about unequivocal support. I don't think any BA pilot would expect another airlines pilots to refuse to fly just because BA pax have been booked onto their flights. If BA can get them all away on another airlines flights then great. Our beef is with the management, not the passengers. I did notice that Pacamacks previous suggestion that our American colleagues are supporting the strike because it benefits them looks strikingly similar to a claim made by a senior shorthaul manager on our company intranet!
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It is not in APA's interest for Open Skies to be successful as you know the British will always take away your customers through superior cabin service over US carriers.
IT IS IN BA MANAGEMENT'S BEST INTEREST FOR OPEN SKIES TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
So you can get a big bonus, right Grasshopper?
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The green insect is clearly out of touch with the real issue here.
He thinks that when BA's rebooked passengers fly on US airlines, that BA pilots are hurt, and BA mngmnt is not hurt. WRONG.
BA mngmnt is hurt when BA airplanes don't move. If their passengers move on other carriers, their cash cow ceases...and their passengers get accommodated. Good for passengers- Good for BA pilots- Bad for BA mngmnt.
That should get them to the table, rather quickly- either before (if they're smart) or shortly after those airplanes stop moving.
In 11/1993, APA supported the AA flight attendants. The two groups met, and the flight attendants KNEW if there were no passengers on board- the pilots could fly all the airplanes, burn all the fuel, eat all the meals (whew!), etc... and it wouldn't hurt them. And, with the SCABs being minimal, what few airplanes that did have passengers-well, that was insignificant. And, that's exactly what happened.
This has NOTHING to do with patriotic, nationalistic garbage that the green insect is attempting to insert into the BALPA-BA issue. This is about SCOPE, and the protection of the BA pilot's profession. Iraq, Falklands....ridiculous diversion attempt, insect.
He thinks that when BA's rebooked passengers fly on US airlines, that BA pilots are hurt, and BA mngmnt is not hurt. WRONG.
BA mngmnt is hurt when BA airplanes don't move. If their passengers move on other carriers, their cash cow ceases...and their passengers get accommodated. Good for passengers- Good for BA pilots- Bad for BA mngmnt.
That should get them to the table, rather quickly- either before (if they're smart) or shortly after those airplanes stop moving.
In 11/1993, APA supported the AA flight attendants. The two groups met, and the flight attendants KNEW if there were no passengers on board- the pilots could fly all the airplanes, burn all the fuel, eat all the meals (whew!), etc... and it wouldn't hurt them. And, with the SCABs being minimal, what few airplanes that did have passengers-well, that was insignificant. And, that's exactly what happened.
This has NOTHING to do with patriotic, nationalistic garbage that the green insect is attempting to insert into the BALPA-BA issue. This is about SCOPE, and the protection of the BA pilot's profession. Iraq, Falklands....ridiculous diversion attempt, insect.
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I 'm a busy mental health nurse in the NHS and if my employers announced that they had this great idea to open a new unit a few miles down the road but would only employ new staff on different terms to the current poor salary we earn, then i would be alarmed too.Good luck to Everyone involved in this avoidable debacle and rest assured that for every fare paying passenger BA lose another ten will back the rebuff of this ill advised venture.
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BA pilots balk at market forces.
It's quite amusing really - well would be if they weren't also (many of them at least) shareholders of other businesses expecting those to be run prudently and managed efficiently.
OK, when is howling at the moon acceptable behaviour?
It's quite amusing really - well would be if they weren't also (many of them at least) shareholders of other businesses expecting those to be run prudently and managed efficiently.
OK, when is howling at the moon acceptable behaviour?
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The overwhelming majority (virtually all!) of 900's posts over the 14 months since he registered this particular identity, are connected with the pilot's strike, the BA cabin crew strike, and BA IR issues. (All derogatory!)
Virtually NO posts on ANY other subject!!!
How bizarre!!!
Virtually NO posts on ANY other subject!!!
How bizarre!!!
I work for a competing LoCo, but say GOOD LUCK to the BA pilots. Nobody goes on strike for nothing. They go on strike because they're pushed into it by greedy pig headed management.
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BA pilots balk at market forces.
Do you, 900, believe that workers should bid down to the lowest price in competition with each other?
If I go to court, I prefer to have a properly rewarded QC to represent me. If I go to Australia, I prefer to have a properly rewarded pilot to fly me.
You are right that it is a market and BA's pilots are, in my opinion, intelligently acting together to protect their position in the market place.
Kind regards
Stoic