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Old 22nd Jan 2008, 21:03
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PAN at MAN

Is anyone able to divulge any more about the PAN, due an incapacitated Captain, into Manch this afternoon, and resulting runway blockage? Just curious as to why there is no other post on the subject.
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Old 22nd Jan 2008, 22:03
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It was an Air 2 Bob B767-300 with a "suspect nosewheel problem" [no steering] a/c landed and vacated the r/wy and taxied to stand...No runway blockage.....
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Old 23rd Jan 2008, 11:18
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Was "Air2000" now known as First Choice.
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Old 23rd Jan 2008, 11:23
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And actually part of tui travel now (although the First Choice name may live on).

We landed a few minutes before the pan aircraft. Didn't sound too dramatic. Planned to roll to the end, were able to taxi themselves so may have been a false alarm (not sure where the incapacitated capt or runway blockage comes into this...)
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Old 23rd Jan 2008, 12:28
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As I understood, captain incapacitated therefore unable to taxi off the runway, due tiller on the left. It sounds as if I was given duff gen.
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Old 23rd Jan 2008, 17:49
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Any Pilot Incap. at FCA would be declared a Mayday not a Pan!

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Old 23rd Jan 2008, 18:55
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Really?

Unless my ears deceived me it was a pan and it was for a pilot incapacitation. Hope whoever it is gets well soon.
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Old 23rd Jan 2008, 21:20
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Extracts from Mcr Evening News article 23/1 - not verbatim

"Pilot (captain) declared an emergency because of an upset stomach"
"First Choice Boeing 767 flight FCA175 Goa to Mcr 255 pax"
"Co-pilot made a safe landing, Captain, supported by 2 first officers at all times, taxied a/c to it's stand at T2"
Airport fire engines followed a/c along runway after touchdown. 4 fire engines also sent by Gtr Mcr Fire Service"
"A man was taken to hospital with suspected food poisoning"

I saw 2 ambulances rushing from A538 toward T2 around 3pm - Nov71

Otherwise a precautionary non-event
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Old 24th Jan 2008, 18:18
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PAN at MAN

Spot on Nov 71. Was up at the AVP - Pan declared, aircraft landed without incident and rolled to the end of 23R exiting at link alpha to taxi to stand 215.
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Old 26th Jan 2008, 08:59
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Even if Capt was incapacitated the F/O would be able to taxi off the runway at a highspeed exit with just the rudder pedals so blocked runway shouldnt come into it.
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Old 26th Jan 2008, 09:31
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F/O would be able to taxi off the runway at a highspeed exit
Command decision by the pilot on the spot who is in a better position to assess than any of us here on PO Prune
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Old 26th Jan 2008, 09:40
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Even if Capt was incapacitated the F/O would be able to taxi off the runway at a highspeed exit with just the rudder pedals so blocked runway shouldnt come into it.

Airline SOPs do not allow this to happen , not even on the A320/1 where there is a tiller on the RH side . So the FO can land the plane but can't taxi the a/c after landing, this calls for a full stop on RWY and then radio for a tug
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Old 26th Jan 2008, 11:16
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BASIL, yes the pilot in the seat is in a better position to judge than any of us here on pprune.

why the hell do "us idiots" even bother psting such comments?

not picking on you in particular but you happen to be the straw that broke my camel's back!

The recent censoring and slating of people on here is really p***ing me off lately. individuals are blasted for posting comments that are uninformed or unprofessional or slanderous etc etc.

this is a rumour network but unfortunately seems to be run by people who must have recently been on some sort of political correctness course.

What happened to free speech and democracy?

I suppose it is a "professional pilots" network, so as a mere ATCO my comments are not worthy and hence have already been deleted by the moderator, so I wont be bothering again.

Over and out.
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Old 26th Jan 2008, 15:16
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PAN called at 14:50 as 'hydraulic problem'. Next day FCA issue press statement saying 'pilot illness'. Wonder which one was true????

NATS are not happy!!!
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Old 26th Jan 2008, 20:44
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Airline SOPs do not allow this to happen , not even on the A320/1 where there is a tiller on the RH side . So the FO can land the plane but can't taxi the a/c after landing, this calls for a full stop on RWY and then radio for a tug

Eagle21.........Im an FO for a major UK airline based at MAN and I landed the aircraft last night & taxied off the runway believe it or not. I think maybe you have been reading to many newspaper reports or watching TV where they seem suprised that Pilots (Captains) let FO's press buttons & touch things !
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Old 26th Jan 2008, 21:39
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Well Funderblaster I can tell you that at the mighty Spottyemm FOs do not taxi and are advised to sit on the runway and await a tug in the event of Capt incap (even on the FBW fleet that have a tiller on the RHS)...in fact that very thing happened at Athens a couple of years ago.

FOs are however encouraged to push plenty of buttons etc!
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Old 26th Jan 2008, 21:49
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Why don't FOs taxi at spottyemm? Is it to keep SOP comonality across all fleets?
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Old 27th Jan 2008, 13:17
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It has something to due with the insurance. Years ago the F/O's did taxi the aircraft but than we had a little incident and now the F/O's are not allowed to taxi anymore. Not even with a trainer sitting in the LHS.

First go you get a taxing the aircraft is during the upgrade from the RHS to the LHS.
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Old 27th Jan 2008, 15:08
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Eagle21.........Im an FO for a major UK airline based at MAN and I landed the aircraft last night & taxied off the runway believe it or not. I think maybe you have been reading to many newspaper reports or watching TV where they seem suprised that Pilots (Captains) let FO's press buttons & touch things !

When I said airline SOPs I meant at FCA.
I also taxi the a/c, park and start the engines for your info and I don't give it much importance. Believe me I am very bussy flying to some very interesting destination to be watching TV.

I am also very bussy THINKING before I post anything on pprune, not like you!
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