Frustrated (?) pilots and security screening
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qwertyplop
You will never get through to Paarmo - Some people like to live in denial when they have burnt out all their ammo and failed to even leave a mark (so to speak).
I am also a "red" pass holder non airline/airport employed pilot, but here in LV we dont have the same lunacy that there is in the UK. Yesterday on my way throught the staff channel I was stopped by a new operative, but only so he could check my ID which was hanging the wrong way round - nothing wrong there, he then went on to wish me a nice day
. I take it Paarmo would be distraught that we have not had a swathe of terrost actions here in LV caused by CREW (and non airline/airport crew such as ourselves (the shock and horror of non airline/airport staff being alowed airside!)).
Security in the UK is yet another example of how dire that once great country has become.
RIX
I am also a "red" pass holder non airline/airport employed pilot, but here in LV we dont have the same lunacy that there is in the UK. Yesterday on my way throught the staff channel I was stopped by a new operative, but only so he could check my ID which was hanging the wrong way round - nothing wrong there, he then went on to wish me a nice day
. I take it Paarmo would be distraught that we have not had a swathe of terrost actions here in LV caused by CREW (and non airline/airport crew such as ourselves (the shock and horror of non airline/airport staff being alowed airside!)).Security in the UK is yet another example of how dire that once great country has become.
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After work one evening on our way back to the crewroom we had a phonecall from Ops. They asked us if we could position the aircraft from Edinburgh to Glasgow, then taxi back. Ok we said and turned about to go through security again.
I forgot I had the remains of my delicious crew snack in my bag and was promptly stopped by the big, hairy, caber-tossing security guard.
He told me I would have to leave my ski yoghurt and cheese and tomato sandwich behind .... oh and my bottle of water.
I understood the water and perhaps the yoghurt being liquidy, but the sandwich ???
I asked him about my 8 hour old sandwich (which I wasn't going to eat anyway ... ever) ... I said, surely it's not a liquid! And he told me ... "well it looks pretty soggy to me eh?"
I forgot I had the remains of my delicious crew snack in my bag and was promptly stopped by the big, hairy, caber-tossing security guard.
He told me I would have to leave my ski yoghurt and cheese and tomato sandwich behind .... oh and my bottle of water.
I understood the water and perhaps the yoghurt being liquidy, but the sandwich ???
I asked him about my 8 hour old sandwich (which I wasn't going to eat anyway ... ever) ... I said, surely it's not a liquid! And he told me ... "well it looks pretty soggy to me eh?"
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Sweet dreams
The Security rules in UK remain pathetic, as are many of the unqualified idiots that enforce them. Hopefully the credit crunch will force a major re-think, a cutback in wasted expense on un-necessary security, and a focus on terrorist-profiling.
Or am I just dreaming?
Or am I just dreaming?
The Security rules in UK remain pathetic, as are many of the unqualified idiots that enforce them. Hopefully the credit crunch will force a major re-think, a cutback in wasted expense on un-necessary security, and a focus on terrorist-profiling.
Or am I just dreaming?
Or am I just dreaming?
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Peter Sellers and Spike Milligan would have loved this thread..... In fact one of Uncle Rodgers niece`s / nephews should write him.
Yip getting to work in the UK is most defnitely straight out of the GOON show! Wonder if they get Hitlergrams? - Be alert for uppity aircrewz mit pathological underarms devices ja! , etc.. Obviously a top neddy with a small moustache behind all this..
Humour, guys and girls - just treat it as a laugh.
Perhaps Paarmo is Eccles in disguise?
Yip getting to work in the UK is most defnitely straight out of the GOON show! Wonder if they get Hitlergrams? - Be alert for uppity aircrewz mit pathological underarms devices ja! , etc.. Obviously a top neddy with a small moustache behind all this..
Humour, guys and girls - just treat it as a laugh.
Perhaps Paarmo is Eccles in disguise?
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We can all have a good laugh about people like paarmo that as far we known, could be genuinely worried and unable to distinguish between threats and bananas.
The real tragedy is that none of the politicians, administrators, professional unions, consumer associations or any other part of the civil society had got the courage so far to stand up and say, hey the king is naked, stop this nonsense now.
Look at the recent mistrial for wannabe bombers. Has anything changed ?
One would think, the only thing that could help is to spread complete information on how to do really dangerous things and acts that cannot be detected. Perhaps at that point this hypocrisy would end.
The real tragedy is that none of the politicians, administrators, professional unions, consumer associations or any other part of the civil society had got the courage so far to stand up and say, hey the king is naked, stop this nonsense now.
Look at the recent mistrial for wannabe bombers. Has anything changed ?
One would think, the only thing that could help is to spread complete information on how to do really dangerous things and acts that cannot be detected. Perhaps at that point this hypocrisy would end.
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I really think that you are losing the plot here.This Post is not about the rules but about the rules being applied to flight crew.
If you don't like complying with the rules, get another job.
If you think the rules need to be changed then lobby your MP and ask him/her to present your objections in Parliament.
If you simply don't like the way the rules are applied at your particular airport then write to or meet to the security supervisor who trains the people at the gates.
Is this too difficult?. Are you supposedly intelligent people?
All of my life I have been dealing with people and applying compromises even when I felt that I was totally in the right. It is how people deal with life which sets them apart from other mammals.
At the end of the day the rules are there and if you comply with them to the letter as every other member of the travelling public ,me included unfortunately , has to do then you will have no reason to whinge. Get a life at least most of you are still in a job unlike some others whose firms have folded recently.
If you don't like complying with the rules, get another job.
If you think the rules need to be changed then lobby your MP and ask him/her to present your objections in Parliament.
If you simply don't like the way the rules are applied at your particular airport then write to or meet to the security supervisor who trains the people at the gates.
Is this too difficult?. Are you supposedly intelligent people?
All of my life I have been dealing with people and applying compromises even when I felt that I was totally in the right. It is how people deal with life which sets them apart from other mammals.
At the end of the day the rules are there and if you comply with them to the letter as every other member of the travelling public ,me included unfortunately , has to do then you will have no reason to whinge. Get a life at least most of you are still in a job unlike some others whose firms have folded recently.
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Reason for security checks on pilots
One of the main reasons why pilots are checked, even though they have the safety of the aircraft in their hands, is the possibility of a bogus pilot with a uniform and fake ID getting through the net. I dont think anyone should be excluded, not even VIP's, Government Ministers, Celebrities etc. If one section of society is exempt, then they become the weakest link and open to exploitation. Submit to being searched with a smile on your face and keep your thoughts for the bar.
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A very good point. Let's make it mandatory for the PM or any Cabinet Minister/MP to shuffle through the arch in smelly socks clutching their belt less trousers to stop them from falling down.
Deprived of their lethal bananas, British Rail sandwiches etc. - this cr@p could be ended in an instant.
As for the Goon Show - exploding trousers rings a bell.
Deprived of their lethal bananas, British Rail sandwiches etc. - this cr@p could be ended in an instant.
As for the Goon Show - exploding trousers rings a bell.
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The security at Tromsų, Norway once stopped two armed police officers escorting a convict wearing cuffs and leg shackles. Said the S/W revolvers had to go through the scanner, as well as the cuffs/shackles.
The police complied just to get through, but the security people got some bollocking from the police later on!
The police complied just to get through, but the security people got some bollocking from the police later on!
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There is a god...
So pleased were the Security Goons that they had caught a member of cabin crew with a knife in her pocket that they missed the bullet in her handbag. Lovely bollocking dished out. Sympathy? None!
PM
Oh, why was she carrying a knife and a bullet? Because a nice policeman asked her to do so. This is the first time in 16 years that I have seen a check on security. Maybe the "authorities" trust these goons as much as we do.
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Oh, why was she carrying a knife and a bullet? Because a nice policeman asked her to do so. This is the first time in 16 years that I have seen a check on security. Maybe the "authorities" trust these goons as much as we do.
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I've been going through airport security every day near enough for the last two years, and can honestly say i've never found anything so unreasonable that it would constitute a risk to flight safety.
In my experience as long as your not an ar$e, the security are alright with you. Its when you start pulling out the "i'm aircrew i dont have to put up with this" that problems seem to start.
Shoes off? No problems. Belt off? Bit oo-er missus, but never mind. No water? bit of a pain, but its not the security guards decision, its DfT's. Stolen Sandwiches? Well i'm sure i can cope...
Hardly a risk to air navigation in my mind.
Matty (donning Battlefield bowler)
In my experience as long as your not an ar$e, the security are alright with you. Its when you start pulling out the "i'm aircrew i dont have to put up with this" that problems seem to start.
Shoes off? No problems. Belt off? Bit oo-er missus, but never mind. No water? bit of a pain, but its not the security guards decision, its DfT's. Stolen Sandwiches? Well i'm sure i can cope...
Hardly a risk to air navigation in my mind.
Matty (donning Battlefield bowler)
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But others who fly the aeroplanes have. Therefore it is a risk to flight safety. Simple really.
I've been going through airport security every day near enough for the last two years, and can honestly say i've never found anything so unreasonable that it would constitute a risk to flight safety.