Frustrated (?) pilots and security screening
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Rsuggit wrote;
And if aircrew are thirsty, I'm sure there will be water on board the plane.
How did that water get onboard then? Why is that water safe but my bottle of Evian is not?
You don't really get it do you?
And if aircrew are thirsty, I'm sure there will be water on board the plane.
How did that water get onboard then? Why is that water safe but my bottle of Evian is not?
You don't really get it do you?
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Atreyu wrote;
I think the real anti-terror work is done far away from the 'front line' of airport security, by police and intelligence officers.
Although I would hardly say the security staff are fools, it would be interesting to see what training they actually receive.
And....
Does anyone check the ID of the security staff?
Atreyu
Spot on.
I think the real anti-terror work is done far away from the 'front line' of airport security, by police and intelligence officers.
Although I would hardly say the security staff are fools, it would be interesting to see what training they actually receive.
And....
Does anyone check the ID of the security staff?
Atreyu
Spot on.
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How many more times, you halfwit. We have a crash axe, and any number of highly imflammable gas cylinders to bugger about with!
What about the Fedex flight where the deadhead had a guitar case full of hammers, which he used to attack the crew ? Air Crew should have the same checks as passengers, they should lead by example. I find it frightening to see on this forum how many pilots have "power-play" issues, these people should not be airline pilots.
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How would rsuggit react to the fact that aircraft captains all over the UK are taking 6" knives with them on every flight, and it's going on now and there's nothing he can do to stop it?
In fact I flew from a UK airport earlier this year with such a knife and no-one stopped me.
The pilots on here will appreciate the irony.
In fact I flew from a UK airport earlier this year with such a knife and no-one stopped me.
The pilots on here will appreciate the irony.
How many more times, you halfwit. We have a crash axe, and any number of highly imflammable gas cylinders to bugger about with!
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.. Or someone that doesn't want to loose his job.
In fact C.pt. ExSp33db1rd you've been very kind by giving him a long explanation before.
Unfortunately having "them" to change opinion is a lost battle, just as hoping that rules will ever change.
In fact C.pt. ExSp33db1rd you've been very kind by giving him a long explanation before.
Unfortunately having "them" to change opinion is a lost battle, just as hoping that rules will ever change.
El# Sad but true ! I'll just go off and fly my Microlight instead, drive my car across the airfield, open the hangar - go. Won't talk to ANYONE !
(One of the pleasures of living in NZ, tho' today it is bl***y cold and p****ng down, and as my M/light isn't licenced for single pilot IFR I'll just have to go to the pub instead ! )
(One of the pleasures of living in NZ, tho' today it is bl***y cold and p****ng down, and as my M/light isn't licenced for single pilot IFR I'll just have to go to the pub instead ! )
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Does anyone check the ID of the security staff?
Atreyu
Spot on.
Atreyu
Spot on.
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Please, the knife that you are provided with during the meal is both longer and sharper than your nail clipper blade. Have you ever been onboard an aircraft?
Yes, many times, and I dont recall ever getting a metal knife or fork that was sharp enough to cut my meal, let alone hurt anyone. In fact a lot of the time I get plastic cutlery
Please, the knife that you are provided with during the meal is both longer and sharper than your nail clipper blade. Have you ever been onboard an aircraft?
Yes, many times, and I dont recall ever getting a metal knife or fork that was sharp enough to cut my meal, let alone hurt anyone. In fact a lot of the time I get plastic cutlery
Considering the billions that have been spent on "improving security", why don't we have security machines good enough to tell the difference between a "normal" liquid and explosive? Why don't we have security machines that can tell the difference between a bomb belt and the kind that holds your trousers up with? etc etc etc
I can handle security being the same for SLF and crew IF AND ONLY IF it is implemented sensibly, consistently and without all these stupid ideas of confiscating items which can not in any reasonable way be used as weapons when I can easily buy a bottle of something from the duty free, open the sealed bag it during flight, smash the bottle and then go on a minor ramage...
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Had to laugh this morning. Spent a couple of hours in luton this morning waiting to position back. Went to the gents and there was one of those vending machines. One of the items for sale was a men's travel grooming kit. In the pack was the usual stuff like toothpaste and brush deodarant and a RAZOR!!! You just have to laugh. The lunatics really have taken over the asylum.
Maybe it needs a concerted effort by every crew member to refuse en masse at Heathrow one day - just close the place down until sense prevails - it might hit the Press and make the bean counters notice
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security ? - WHAT security ?
You just have to laugh. The lunatics really have taken over the asylum
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What I think is ironic is when I have to renew my UK Airport ID every 5 Yrs I have to take with me my passport and NI number to prove who I am in spite of the fact I have a valid Airport ID that I used to get airside to drive to the ID unit!
Are they saying the current ID isn't worth the plastic it is printed on?
Are they saying the current ID isn't worth the plastic it is printed on?
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I think the problems we face are that the security industry is making a huge amount of money from security contracts.
Even BAA who do it themselves (at least their BAA branded clothes say so!) will make money from countless pax and crew airside shopping trips to buy deodorant etc.
A very Us and Them attitude has devoloped between flightcrew and security staff, flightcrew being tired of blanket rules being very forcefully and anally applied, and I'm sure some of the security staff perceive pilots as jumped up arrogant half day workers not worth the fake gold or silver on their removed and scanned jackets.
A consensus should be reached on a way forward, with BALPA studies showing a high percentage of pilots feeling some level of stress after passing through security, I do fear maybe one day crew and security getting into a 'heated debate'...
But besides en masse strike at Heathrow, delaying huge numbers of flights or perhaps some BALPA action I'm afraid nothing will change.
I know we all hate the silly rules but until we have a real change best thing to do is all try and be as professional as possible, report any incidents through the proper channels and your union and most of all, rise above it. Far more benefit comes from being completely right and dealing with it in a professional and courteous manner than having a shouting match (or worse!)with the security staff
(even if it makes you feel better!)
Atreyu
Even BAA who do it themselves (at least their BAA branded clothes say so!) will make money from countless pax and crew airside shopping trips to buy deodorant etc.
A very Us and Them attitude has devoloped between flightcrew and security staff, flightcrew being tired of blanket rules being very forcefully and anally applied, and I'm sure some of the security staff perceive pilots as jumped up arrogant half day workers not worth the fake gold or silver on their removed and scanned jackets.
A consensus should be reached on a way forward, with BALPA studies showing a high percentage of pilots feeling some level of stress after passing through security, I do fear maybe one day crew and security getting into a 'heated debate'...
But besides en masse strike at Heathrow, delaying huge numbers of flights or perhaps some BALPA action I'm afraid nothing will change.
I know we all hate the silly rules but until we have a real change best thing to do is all try and be as professional as possible, report any incidents through the proper channels and your union and most of all, rise above it. Far more benefit comes from being completely right and dealing with it in a professional and courteous manner than having a shouting match (or worse!)with the security staff
(even if it makes you feel better!)
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Originally Posted by cortilla
Had to laugh this morning. Spent a couple of hours in luton this morning waiting to position back. Went to the gents and there was one of those vending machines. One of the items for sale was a men's travel grooming kit. In the pack was the usual stuff like toothpaste and brush deodarant and a RAZOR!!! You just have to laugh. The lunatics really have taken over the asylum.
Since I think I've posted the wrong link previously, here it is again:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...08:0022:EN:PDF
Also, the EC commision has decided "more transparency" for the security rules and introduce the "tamper proof" bag to promote sale of booze to people making connections in Europe. Thank you very much.
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Ladusvala, I've never seen one, but I guess these are clear or semi-clear bags so "security" can check the content without opening them.
As weapon in cabin, a broken bottle is not the optimum (although it has been used successfully in the past). There are more effective ways.
As weapon in cabin, a broken bottle is not the optimum (although it has been used successfully in the past). There are more effective ways.
Can we close this down, please?
Can we close this thread down, please?
It has gone from thoughtful, to boring, and now to silly. Can we close it please? This "debate" has been going on for a long time. Can't we just accept that the Security screening is unpleasantly onerous, that some of the staff aren't the brightest, and that some of the crew reactions are OTT ? It seems prtetty clear that either seat at the pointed end could, er, seriously damage the 'plane without either a pair of scissors or a bottle of "water".
Now let's all get a life.............
It has gone from thoughtful, to boring, and now to silly. Can we close it please? This "debate" has been going on for a long time. Can't we just accept that the Security screening is unpleasantly onerous, that some of the staff aren't the brightest, and that some of the crew reactions are OTT ? It seems prtetty clear that either seat at the pointed end could, er, seriously damage the 'plane without either a pair of scissors or a bottle of "water".
Now let's all get a life.............