MK Airlines B747 crash at Halifax
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From an earlier post
doubleu-anker - What have the UK CAA to do with this aircraft ?
IMHO - sfa !
If it was a G-reg, and a UK operator (AOC/OS) fair do's then the UK CAA would be responsible for the operational oversight, but a Ghana 9G-reg, based in Ghana and Luxembourg
The only action the UK could take is through the Ministry of Transport who have powers under ICAO Annex 6, International Air Transport to inspect foreign aircraft on UK territory
However if the country of registration, the aircraft/crew/operator are in compliance with Annex 6, then there is little that any other country can do to hinder right to land, take-off and transit another ICAO member country
9G-MKJ (FORMERELY SAA CARGO COMBI ZS-SAR WATERBERG) REGISTERED IN GHANA. BASED THERE AND IN LUXEMBOURG, NOT ZIMBABWE.MK CREW MOSTLY ZIMBABWEAN THOUGH, STRONG HISTORICAL LINKS TO THAT COUNTRY
IMHO - sfa !
If it was a G-reg, and a UK operator (AOC/OS) fair do's then the UK CAA would be responsible for the operational oversight, but a Ghana 9G-reg, based in Ghana and Luxembourg
The only action the UK could take is through the Ministry of Transport who have powers under ICAO Annex 6, International Air Transport to inspect foreign aircraft on UK territory
However if the country of registration, the aircraft/crew/operator are in compliance with Annex 6, then there is little that any other country can do to hinder right to land, take-off and transit another ICAO member country
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Nice one disconnected,
however the can of worms as far as the country of registration goes will be reclosed at great cost.Many officials will be having their childrens school fees paid for a very long time, not to mention continuous first class tickets to canada for them and their families to be present at the investigation, or nearest mall. Alledgedly .Boy are they gonna milk it.
Borg they dont transit thru The uk they practically live there.
As for FDR and CVR , Do they even have to be there/working if the aircraft is never in country of registration and the inspectors , if flown out allegedly may too busy enjoying hospitality, for example. Trust me this is not beyond the realms of possibility
Nothing is unbelievable when this type of flagging is done in these countries. Thats why it done.
however the can of worms as far as the country of registration goes will be reclosed at great cost.Many officials will be having their childrens school fees paid for a very long time, not to mention continuous first class tickets to canada for them and their families to be present at the investigation, or nearest mall. Alledgedly .Boy are they gonna milk it.
Borg they dont transit thru The uk they practically live there.
As for FDR and CVR , Do they even have to be there/working if the aircraft is never in country of registration and the inspectors , if flown out allegedly may too busy enjoying hospitality, for example. Trust me this is not beyond the realms of possibility
Nothing is unbelievable when this type of flagging is done in these countries. Thats why it done.
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if you read any post on these boards, you should read disconnected's. i know people in MK Ops and they are just as devestated, if not more so, than us. because they know the pressure those crews are made to fly under.
if the crews complain about the hours, they are told they are not 'team players' and that they either fly or there won't be a job for them. or the flights are given to those that don't 'complain'. so the pressure to fly in order to help their families survive by earning as much foreign currency is critical. if the crews leave for other positions, they get accused of deserting the company.
and this situation has been created at the top by a person who conveniently 'leases' the crews through an agency rather than having to pay them a wage with benefits. thereby forcing them into a 'pay only when you fly' situation.
nice attitude from a guy who was once one of them and now casually takes their lives for granted.
start at the top.
if the crews complain about the hours, they are told they are not 'team players' and that they either fly or there won't be a job for them. or the flights are given to those that don't 'complain'. so the pressure to fly in order to help their families survive by earning as much foreign currency is critical. if the crews leave for other positions, they get accused of deserting the company.
and this situation has been created at the top by a person who conveniently 'leases' the crews through an agency rather than having to pay them a wage with benefits. thereby forcing them into a 'pay only when you fly' situation.
nice attitude from a guy who was once one of them and now casually takes their lives for granted.
start at the top.
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MK Airlines crash Halifax
If the safety culture of MK Airlines is as inexistent as reported by ‘disconnected’, then future might be all except very attractive for Ostend. MK has on average two visits each day on Ostend Airport (B747 & DC8). The airport is very close to the town, and not like in Halifax and other places several kilometers away. Worse, before leaving, the unfortunate plane was maintained in Ostend from 6 to 8 October, although it had a major maintenance inspection in Jakarta in September and according to the Canadian press it had ‘somewhere’ two engines replaced in the weeks leading up to the accident. Indeed, where the replacements have been done, is yet not known.
http://www.wiloo.be/mk747_9g-mkj_ebos_6oct04.wmv
If the accident had occurred in Ostend, 500 meters away from the end of the runway, the airplane would have crashed amid a residential area with unassessable consequences!
I’m not astonished to learn that Manston Airport was happy to loose MK in favour (!) of Ostend, and I wonder what Belgian authorities will decide in connection with MK Airlines landing on Belgian soil.
http://www.wiloo.be/mk747_9g-mkj_ebos_6oct04.wmv
If the accident had occurred in Ostend, 500 meters away from the end of the runway, the airplane would have crashed amid a residential area with unassessable consequences!
I’m not astonished to learn that Manston Airport was happy to loose MK in favour (!) of Ostend, and I wonder what Belgian authorities will decide in connection with MK Airlines landing on Belgian soil.
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As a resident of Holland living roughly 15km from AMS, I too feel your pain. In AMS's case, this mainly concerns the white-tail CAL/El-Al 747-200Fs passing through AMS on their way to TLV from JFK.
Whenever I see one of these on the apron or departing/arriving I can't help but wonder just what it might be they are carrying over the heads of hundreds of thousands of Dutch citizens several times a day.
There has already been written a lot of text on this particular subject in PPRuNe, so knock yourself out:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=149199
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=130565
Whenever I see one of these on the apron or departing/arriving I can't help but wonder just what it might be they are carrying over the heads of hundreds of thousands of Dutch citizens several times a day.
There has already been written a lot of text on this particular subject in PPRuNe, so knock yourself out:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=149199
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=130565
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747FOCAL
I was in LUX at that time this A/C came in with the wing to fuesalage panel missing. And I also know that the nose cone was broken and both windshileds damaged after A/C going throgh hailstorm FLT. AMS-LUX.
The A/C was towed to Cargolux hangar for repairs did not leave LUX untill few day´s later.
So the fact is that you could not have seen the A/C take of like you say.
You should not post bull****t like this when so many people know the real story !
I was in LUX at that time this A/C came in with the wing to fuesalage panel missing. And I also know that the nose cone was broken and both windshileds damaged after A/C going throgh hailstorm FLT. AMS-LUX.
The A/C was towed to Cargolux hangar for repairs did not leave LUX untill few day´s later.
So the fact is that you could not have seen the A/C take of like you say.
You should not post bull****t like this when so many people know the real story !
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A quick note about the safety culture at MK,some years ago(5) i was invited for an interview there(engineering)and was left as to no doubt about My position as to keep the aircraft flying,I have never&will never work there.As some of You may have seen Me on other threads and are possibly aware of places of My previous employment,safety was never an issue at any of those others regardless of what has ever been said about them.
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I think that we all agree that what has happened is terrible. My condolences to the staff at MK and the families of those lost.
snarfel.
Is it just a coincidence that you have just registered now? You would not happen to be an Ostend resident would you?
*an-124 looks at snarfels profile and shakes head *
Maybe you were involved in the campaigning to ban the IL-76 from Europe which resulted in the loss of hundreds of jobs in the Ostend area. ???
You paint a dim picture of the situation in Ostend, when (you are infact a resident you should know) it is a fact that (depending on direction) take off is made out over the ocean.
Nevertheless, you just seem to be another person to jump on the bandwagon and trying to get Ostend airport shut down.
But congratulations - you seem to have your propeganda video editing skills mastered. Why not try waiting until the official findings before you cast doubt over a/ maintenance proceedures, and b/the cause of the accident.
snarfel.
Is it just a coincidence that you have just registered now? You would not happen to be an Ostend resident would you?
*an-124 looks at snarfels profile and shakes head *
Maybe you were involved in the campaigning to ban the IL-76 from Europe which resulted in the loss of hundreds of jobs in the Ostend area. ???
You paint a dim picture of the situation in Ostend, when (you are infact a resident you should know) it is a fact that (depending on direction) take off is made out over the ocean.
Nevertheless, you just seem to be another person to jump on the bandwagon and trying to get Ostend airport shut down.
But congratulations - you seem to have your propeganda video editing skills mastered. Why not try waiting until the official findings before you cast doubt over a/ maintenance proceedures, and b/the cause of the accident.
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AN-124...
well done at Snarfel....I've got same impression on him, and to be honest, I was thinking of giving him a reply, but refrained from doing as he's not worth it...(I don't write a lot, merely an observer on Pprune..)
I've been flying in Ostend for the last 38 years (!) on a very regular basis and know the situation well...90% of takeoffs are made in the direction of the sea, with very limited risk for injury (provided there's no sailing or fishing boat around...)
just disregard Snarfel...he's not worth it.
well done at Snarfel....I've got same impression on him, and to be honest, I was thinking of giving him a reply, but refrained from doing as he's not worth it...(I don't write a lot, merely an observer on Pprune..)
I've been flying in Ostend for the last 38 years (!) on a very regular basis and know the situation well...90% of takeoffs are made in the direction of the sea, with very limited risk for injury (provided there's no sailing or fishing boat around...)
just disregard Snarfel...he's not worth it.
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Whilst take-off's from OST might be over the English Channel (which is not an ocean!), the 747 in question did not get airborne and whilst on this occassion it occurred at 0400 hours, at a more lively time of day. the supermarkets, carpet store, hardware store, burger joint etc. off the end of OST's runway would be very lively!
No, I'm not an OST resident but I did work at the airport, and shop in those supermarkets some years back.
No, I'm not an OST resident but I did work at the airport, and shop in those supermarkets some years back.
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Snarfel is a member of WILOO !
These are not false accusations, but are facts !
Thought you should know ...
As you will see, I joined just today, because I thought this was valuable info !
Greetz,
Andries.
These are not false accusations, but are facts !
Thought you should know ...
As you will see, I joined just today, because I thought this was valuable info !
Greetz,
Andries.
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WILOO
Well, judging from what came up in Google when I searched for "WILOO" I can't really say your mention of snarfel's membership of said organisation is to his advantage. Too bad most of the good stuff is in Dutch 
BTW: Does disconnected know they've quoted his post on their site to suit their own needs? It wouldn't be the first time unsuspecting aviation enthusiasts and professionals are quoted without their permission.
BTW: Does disconnected know they've quoted his post on their site to suit their own needs? It wouldn't be the first time unsuspecting aviation enthusiasts and professionals are quoted without their permission.
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How do you know if you were there when you don't even know when the picture was taken? 
I know what I saw. Say what ever you like.
ps. Since your a one post wonder I think I know who the majority will believe. Or maybe I should send that picture on the the Canadian Authorities.
I know what I saw. Say what ever you like.
ps. Since your a one post wonder I think I know who the majority will believe. Or maybe I should send that picture on the the Canadian Authorities.
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747FOCAL, I too would like to know when the picture was taken. Even you must admit, that picture is not a normal representation of your ordinary 747 configuration. And, yep, I agree,
why not send it. Any know condition on any airplane prior to an accident would be important, particularly if said airplane was dispatched like you claim. In my opinon, this qualifies. Like you have said,
talk the talk, then walk the walk.
Or maybe I should send that picture on the the Canadian Authorities
talk the talk, then walk the walk.
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One has to ask why MK has always registered its aircraft with the Ghanian CAA when for so many years it has been based in Manston and with its main office in East Sussex.
Edited to say that I came accross an article about the accident in the Times that said the DoT asked the CAA to turn up unannounced and ramp check MK aircraft. However they relocated to OST before any action was carried out!! - however I guess that does not stop them if an MK aircraft is on British soil during a turnaround for example!
Edited to say that I came accross an article about the accident in the Times that said the DoT asked the CAA to turn up unannounced and ramp check MK aircraft. However they relocated to OST before any action was carried out!! - however I guess that does not stop them if an MK aircraft is on British soil during a turnaround for example!
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SLOT, I am encouraged to see you have also backed my post that the aircraft 9G-MKJ did not leave LUX with the photographed missing wing to fuse fillett fairings, and to know that the aircraft arrived from AMS having suffered hail damage, only proves you know what was really happening that day. Thank you for your support. So 747 FOCAL the time has come to come clean and admit you are wrong and appologise.
MATKAT.
As for your comments on the "interview" you had I would be interested to hear who interviewed you and quite what was said.
Every airline in the world has the one goal - to provide a safe, efficient, and economic service (in that order). So when being interviewed, you would have been asked to work towards the aim of keeping the aircraft flying. Tell me how that differs from any other airline in the world (African registered or not)?.
Are we all stupid enough to believe you if you are saying that at your interview the person interviewing you said , "break every rule, ignore the MEL/CDL, ignore the Captain, Maintrol, your own gut feeling oh and not forgetting the Maintenance Manual. Come on talk sense man.
Don't start MK bashing; if you felt what was being asked of you was unsafe did you contact the CAA, DOT, Ghanain CAA, or MK quality? I'm guessing not so why after 5 years do you bring it to the forum,you didn't have the conscience then so why now ???
Despite what is written; MK has an amazingly talented, experienced, qualified and enthusiastic team running it, it is run with pride and passion which is from the top, if you were half as successful as the owner of that airline you wouldn't be writting sh1t on here and I would be addressing you as Captain !!.
MATKAT.
As for your comments on the "interview" you had I would be interested to hear who interviewed you and quite what was said.
Every airline in the world has the one goal - to provide a safe, efficient, and economic service (in that order). So when being interviewed, you would have been asked to work towards the aim of keeping the aircraft flying. Tell me how that differs from any other airline in the world (African registered or not)?.
Are we all stupid enough to believe you if you are saying that at your interview the person interviewing you said , "break every rule, ignore the MEL/CDL, ignore the Captain, Maintrol, your own gut feeling oh and not forgetting the Maintenance Manual. Come on talk sense man.
Don't start MK bashing; if you felt what was being asked of you was unsafe did you contact the CAA, DOT, Ghanain CAA, or MK quality? I'm guessing not so why after 5 years do you bring it to the forum,you didn't have the conscience then so why now ???
Despite what is written; MK has an amazingly talented, experienced, qualified and enthusiastic team running it, it is run with pride and passion which is from the top, if you were half as successful as the owner of that airline you wouldn't be writting sh1t on here and I would be addressing you as Captain !!.
