Concorde Crews to Strike
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: At the foot of the Lammermuirs
Posts: 344
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What if the F/E's decided to simply 'down tools'? I'm aware it probably illegal but what would be the consequences?
Join Date: May 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 75
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hey 411a, News Update - this just in:
With your attitude your quite likely to be taken behind a bike shed and filled-in, like as not by your own unloving staff.
Aha, what's that? You haven't got any: the "airline" still just a figment of your overheated imagination, I note.
Well, well, you sad little fantasist, just go back to the pill cupboard and keep downing the prozac and leave the "professional pilots rumour network" to professional pilots, or at the very least, someone with an intelligent comment to make.
With your attitude your quite likely to be taken behind a bike shed and filled-in, like as not by your own unloving staff.
Aha, what's that? You haven't got any: the "airline" still just a figment of your overheated imagination, I note.
Well, well, you sad little fantasist, just go back to the pill cupboard and keep downing the prozac and leave the "professional pilots rumour network" to professional pilots, or at the very least, someone with an intelligent comment to make.
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Arizona USA
Posts: 8,571
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
JW411,
Suspect that loaded1's comments were the best he could come up with at the time...or maybe the best, period.
Sadly for these Concorde guys, the end is near, and not much they can do about it, huffing and puffing notwithstanding.
They simply should have seen the writing on the wall and retired with better conditions earlier.
Now they may find that they are un-employable elsewhere (B747 freighters, for example), due in no small part to untimely actions now...ie: troublemakers.
In short, who would want them?
Suspect that loaded1's comments were the best he could come up with at the time...or maybe the best, period.
Sadly for these Concorde guys, the end is near, and not much they can do about it, huffing and puffing notwithstanding.
They simply should have seen the writing on the wall and retired with better conditions earlier.
Now they may find that they are un-employable elsewhere (B747 freighters, for example), due in no small part to untimely actions now...ie: troublemakers.
In short, who would want them?
Join Date: May 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 75
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well thought- out logical argument? The day we see that from 411a is the day the sun stops shining.
How's the airline coming along by the way, 411a? Still nothing? Thought not. Still, you keep bashing away here in cyberspace where you cant do too much harm eh, and leave the real world to the rest of us.
How's the airline coming along by the way, 411a? Still nothing? Thought not. Still, you keep bashing away here in cyberspace where you cant do too much harm eh, and leave the real world to the rest of us.
Er... Paterbrat? My comments were in response to your own admission,
"... I have had a small internal airline an international carrier and an exec flight department go t*ts up while I was working for them...."
Can't think why but maybe there is a pattern here.
Back to the thread.
The FEs have a ligit claim because BA has internal agreements that they disregard if they can get away with it. It happened at MAN, BHX, BFS, LGW and now at LHR.
The reason many staff feel or at least felt comfortable at BA is because they new that even though the bottom line salary was/is below market rate, they were protected in the event of disaster. The company are now tearing up agreements and yes many are leaving for better wages elsewhere. But many such as the FEs are trapped with no where to go. How many engineers do you know that could hold down the job of steward? I couldn't, the first bit of lip off a pax and I would be in court the next day!
Good luck to all, by my experience you will need it!
"... I have had a small internal airline an international carrier and an exec flight department go t*ts up while I was working for them...."
Can't think why but maybe there is a pattern here.
Back to the thread.
The FEs have a ligit claim because BA has internal agreements that they disregard if they can get away with it. It happened at MAN, BHX, BFS, LGW and now at LHR.
The reason many staff feel or at least felt comfortable at BA is because they new that even though the bottom line salary was/is below market rate, they were protected in the event of disaster. The company are now tearing up agreements and yes many are leaving for better wages elsewhere. But many such as the FEs are trapped with no where to go. How many engineers do you know that could hold down the job of steward? I couldn't, the first bit of lip off a pax and I would be in court the next day!
Good luck to all, by my experience you will need it!
The Reverend
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Sydney,NSW,Australia
Posts: 2,020
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Couldn't agree with you more Hovis. I consider myself very lucky to have been able to fly till I reached 65. Four years since retirement but I still miss the machine, the guys, girls and the lifestyle. However, we are not the first to meet this experience. Think of the R/Os, Navigators and Loadmasters. Eventually, pilots will be next.
The reason many staff feel or at least felt comfortable at BA is because they new that even though the bottom line salary was/is below market rate, they were protected in the event of disaster.
The Reverend
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Sydney,NSW,Australia
Posts: 2,020
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
411A, I almost gave you the benefit of the doubt on account of your favourable comments about flight engineers that you obviously experienced in your flying career, in many of your previous posts. This 180 degree about turn on this forum now reinforces my initial convictions about your personality. You Sir are a prize w@nker!
I am a figment of my own imagination
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Posts: 726
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
'Legit' claim Hovis? something down on paper no doubt? Tearing up agreements? or is this mataphoricaly speaking. While your propensity for speaking your mind bears out your unsuitablity for any work requiring a modicum of civility, by your own admission, regretfully it does not in any way support your claims that the engineers have recieved anything less than was contracted. If people are leaving for other companies and better wages then that is market forces. If the market no longer requires supersonic FE's that again is market forces. To inflict damage upon a company because one feels that one is not being sent off with a big enough thank you has a whiff of spite and petulance. If the company has deliberately breached contractual agreements that is quite another matter, so far it seems not been shown that this is so.
Having served long and faithfully it probably is not pleasant to have the jobs come to an end before it was anticipated, and may well leave some in less than desirable financial circumstances, not to recieve a financial pat on the back dissapointing, but not a good reason to inflict deliberate damage.
But then Hovis where you are coming from is clear to see because you have already described your character for us here, for all to see, in your own words it was headed for court .
Having served long and faithfully it probably is not pleasant to have the jobs come to an end before it was anticipated, and may well leave some in less than desirable financial circumstances, not to recieve a financial pat on the back dissapointing, but not a good reason to inflict deliberate damage.
But then Hovis where you are coming from is clear to see because you have already described your character for us here, for all to see, in your own words it was headed for court .
Last edited by Paterbrat; 20th Sep 2003 at 20:10.
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: England
Posts: 50
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
411A borrowed a computer and wrote:
Hmm, suggest 411A learn to say .....'please take your boot out of my mouth' whilst having a boot in his mouth.
Hmm, suggest TwoTun learn to say....'coffee or tea', with feeling
Synthetic, sorry that was rather insensitive. I do hope things work out well for the FE's, I just think striking is the wrong way to go about it. I can see the headlines now, Concorde retired early due to industrial action.
Result?
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: England
Posts: 50
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
cumulo-granite put pen to paper and wrote:
Yes, it has reached it's conclusion. It wasn't as much as we had hoped for (or had been achieved by our 747 Classic colleagues), but, given the nature of the industry, and the particular situation at BA, it was probably as much as we could realistically have achieved.
The truely annoying part about the whole episode is that we are at the situation that we though we were 6 months ago before British Airways managers started f**king around with us in the last few months of our employment.
This episode reminds me of a little article that was sent to me a while ago:
Good, innit?
Has this matter now come to a conclusion - satisfactory or otherwise - for the FEs concerned
The truely annoying part about the whole episode is that we are at the situation that we though we were 6 months ago before British Airways managers started f**king around with us in the last few months of our employment.
This episode reminds me of a little article that was sent to me a while ago:
A balloonist in a hot air balloon realised he was lost. He reduced altitude and spotted a man below. He descended a bit more and shouted:
"Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a colleague I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am".
The man replied: "You are in a hot air balloon hovering approximately 60 feet above the ground. You are between 40 and 41 degrees north latitude and 59 and 60 degrees west longitude".
"You must be a Flight Engineer," shouted the balloonist.
"I am," replied the man, "how did you know?"
"Well," answered the balloonist," everything you told me was technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information, and the fact is I am still lost. Frankly you've been no help at all. If anything, you have delayed my trip!"
The Flight Engineer below responded, 'Aahh.. you must be a BA Pilot Manager."
I am replied the balloonist, "but how did you know?"
"Well," said the Flight Engineer," you don't know where you are, what to do about it or where you are going. You have risen to where you are only due to a large quantity of hot air. You've made a promise, which you've no idea how to keep, and you expect people below you to solve your problems. The fact is you are in exactly the same position you were before we met, but now, somehow it's my fault!"
"Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a colleague I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am".
The man replied: "You are in a hot air balloon hovering approximately 60 feet above the ground. You are between 40 and 41 degrees north latitude and 59 and 60 degrees west longitude".
"You must be a Flight Engineer," shouted the balloonist.
"I am," replied the man, "how did you know?"
"Well," answered the balloonist," everything you told me was technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information, and the fact is I am still lost. Frankly you've been no help at all. If anything, you have delayed my trip!"
The Flight Engineer below responded, 'Aahh.. you must be a BA Pilot Manager."
I am replied the balloonist, "but how did you know?"
"Well," said the Flight Engineer," you don't know where you are, what to do about it or where you are going. You have risen to where you are only due to a large quantity of hot air. You've made a promise, which you've no idea how to keep, and you expect people below you to solve your problems. The fact is you are in exactly the same position you were before we met, but now, somehow it's my fault!"
Join Date: May 2003
Location: london
Posts: 376
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Two Tun
Unfortunatly the "cheeseboard" that helped pay for the Classic eng. retirement is now not available.......................... Its been given away............. perminently.
........ now is that spelt with an a or an e
PS
Would look forward to seeing your boot in 411a mouth
Unfortunatly the "cheeseboard" that helped pay for the Classic eng. retirement is now not available.......................... Its been given away............. perminently.
........ now is that spelt with an a or an ePS
Would look forward to seeing your boot in 411a mouth