Hill Helicopters HX50
Originally Posted by Hughes500
the laugh is you can make Rolls Royce compressor wheels for around hundred quid each, yet they become £ 2000 " to cover R and D" that was paid for by the US military in the 1960's. A gas turbine is very simple to build and actually cheap to build. It is just the manufacturers saying, oh its aviation so we will take the piss. As for safety compared to the car industry aviation is mickey mouse , just ask my QA manager who used to do it for JLR before as he says going into the dark ages on safety by working in aviation
So i dont see why he can build one, why does ne need his own autoclave unit ? Cabri didn't have their own to start with yet they can build a certified 2 seater for euro 300, make it a bit bigger with a gas turbine, Robinson did it with a certified RR 300 ( a slightly modified 250 ) on their 66
So i dont see why he can build one, why does ne need his own autoclave unit ? Cabri didn't have their own to start with yet they can build a certified 2 seater for euro 300, make it a bit bigger with a gas turbine, Robinson did it with a certified RR 300 ( a slightly modified 250 ) on their 66
It's true that this might not succeed, but it is at least clearly legitimate I think and not a scam, like that flying car from a while back. Certification adds a huge amount to price, as does the premium from being aviation (like how horrendously overpriced Garmin avionics are). This does not use Garmin avionics but rather an iPad and their own in-house displays (obviously the actual panels are Samsung or whatever) so that results in huge savings, especially for the experimental version. So that does help things, cost-wise. But we'll see.
The non-refundable deposit is just like Kickstarter; you're effectively investing in the company to help bring the product to market. It is obviously not for anyone that would miss $100k but there are plenty of rich people that won't.
The non-refundable deposit is just like Kickstarter; you're effectively investing in the company to help bring the product to market. It is obviously not for anyone that would miss $100k but there are plenty of rich people that won't.
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Originally Posted by CGameProgrammerr
It's true that this might not succeed, but it is at least clearly legitimate I think and not a scam, like that flying car from a while back. Certification adds a huge amount to price, as does the premium from being aviation (like how horrendously overpriced Garmin avionics are). This does not use Garmin avionics but rather an iPad and their own in-house displays (obviously the actual panels are Samsung or whatever) so that results in huge savings, especially for the experimental version. So that does help things, cost-wise. But we'll see.
The non-refundable deposit is just like Kickstarter; you're effectively investing in the company to help bring the product to market. It is obviously not for anyone that would miss $100k but there are plenty of rich people that won't.
The non-refundable deposit is just like Kickstarter; you're effectively investing in the company to help bring the product to market. It is obviously not for anyone that would miss $100k but there are plenty of rich people that won't.
I think you nailed it. As I said before, I threw in my 100K. I haven't signed an NDA nor been told I couldn't discuss anything. That said, if you want to know more, sign up for their presentation and they are better suited to explain to you the entire process better than I could. Some of you doubt the simplicity of a turbine engine, but consider that with the technology to produce them today as compared to 50 years ago, how tough is it? Someone else mentioned something about the Garmin panel. How much would Garmin want for an entire glass panel similar to what you may have seen in the HX50? 6 figures for sure. I think everyone is already flying with an iPad now, how simple would it be to get that iPad to talk to the rest of the electronics just like your cell phone does when you jump into a vehicle and it automatically connects to CarPlay? I'm not here to sell the product and I still realize that there is risk in my investment. One interesting portion I saw on one of the live Q & A's with Jason Hill. One of the fellows listening in wanted to invest in Hill Helicopters and he was turned down point blank. Jason Hill stated that he did not require (nor want) any further outside investment. Now, if I were looking to scam money, I would never turn more money down..........Food for thought. I guess some of us (in this group) are going to be saying "I told you so" in a few years. I can live with that if I am the one being told.
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£100k non-refundable deposit
I have a grudging administration that they managed to persuade Innovate UK to bung them a load of grant funding but depositors stumping up their own cash? Chapeau to them.
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I think everyone is already flying with an iPad now, how simple would it be to get that iPad to talk to the rest of the electronics just like your cell phone does when you jump into a vehicle and it automatically connects to CarPlay?
the amount of effort puts into the design, the testing, the manufacturing of aviation grade avionics is a world away from consumer electronics for good reasons.
they freeze it, bake it, shake it, bombard it with magnetic fields, test it in context….there is no pressure to cut corners it is 100% safety. yes it is expensive but you get exactly what you paid for.
this video of how they work at Garmin really exemplify the spirit well
yes it is expensive but you get exactly what you paid for
A320 http://www.fomento.es/NR/rdonlyres/8...006_A_ENG1.pdf
A330 https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/3532398/ao2008070.pdf
777 https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/24550/...503722_001.pdf
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Yes three accidents and maybe a few more over the last 20 years, indeed nothing is perfect, how many accident if consumer electronic was involved in control of your aircraft?
point I was trying to make there is no new business model where the X50 will be more rational or cost effective because I bring my $500 tablet onboard.
Just as an annex the A350 lets you indeed plug in a portable device into the system of the aircraft and upload flight plan that you prepared offline (supposedly in your hotel room)
The device is also an Airbus device that looks like one of the first generation Toshiba laptop computer, brick size, 2 inch thick and probably fire walled in hardware not software.
point I was trying to make there is no new business model where the X50 will be more rational or cost effective because I bring my $500 tablet onboard.
Just as an annex the A350 lets you indeed plug in a portable device into the system of the aircraft and upload flight plan that you prepared offline (supposedly in your hotel room)
The device is also an Airbus device that looks like one of the first generation Toshiba laptop computer, brick size, 2 inch thick and probably fire walled in hardware not software.
Originally Posted by [email protected]
Hughes500 - he said all his build is in-house so yes, he does need his own equipment.
I am sure the actual manufacturing is straightforward once you have proved the design, got the tooling, sourced the raw materials and tested sufficient failure modes.
The £100K up front is enough of a question mark but non-refundable????? He saw you coming, the 100 who have invested.
I am sure the actual manufacturing is straightforward once you have proved the design, got the tooling, sourced the raw materials and tested sufficient failure modes.
The £100K up front is enough of a question mark but non-refundable????? He saw you coming, the 100 who have invested.
One question I do have, do we manufacture under EASA regulations now or is UK independent.
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Originally Posted by Agile
lettings the tablet have a critical role to fly the aircraft … or corrupts the integrity of the onboard avionics.. NO Thank you
OK, I got a bit sarcastic here, I would equate this argument to losing your navigation screen in your Prius.............just keep driving or stop and ask questions.
Good constructive criticism is always welcome. With the world economy what it is, spewing all the negative things going on just makes you a candidate for Main Street Media. I've thrown a ton of questions at Jason Hill............I forgot to say, before being a pilot, I took Aircraft Engineering. I haven't stumped him yet (he's kind of like that guy on that Brit show "The Beast" ;-). Will there be over-sights? Probably. Will it come out on schedule? Hopefully. All I know is that some of this banter is good and some of it is the reason parents shut their kid's internet down at 8pm (or so). Most of you will never come out of your parent's basement to try and do something awesome. For those of you that do, my hat comes off to you!
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Originally Posted by Jetexec
Most of you will never come out of your parent's basement to try and do something awesome.
I hope that Mr Hill has a better manner of communicating with his peers than yourself.
You can talk about potential issues with consumer electronics, but the fact is that a lot of people (frankly, seems like vast majority) fly with iPads or mounted cellphones and we never see a failure. (iPads can overheat, especially during daylight, but they have coolers for it, as obviously will Hill.) So clearly they work. They are not suitable as a PFD (something called a real-time operating system is required for that, among many other considerations) but as a MFD they're just fine.
'Took Aircraft Engineering'? - what as a hobby, degree level, chartered or certified aircraft engineer??? Not a very clear endorsement of Jason Hill unless you specify your credentials.
Map and compass is easy peasy over land - try doing it miles out to sea
Map and compass is easy peasy over land - try doing it miles out to sea
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As an habitual HX50 sceptic, I admit, there are some detail that make sense for pilot awareness. large screen for map of the ground - power line indication...
I still believe its too soon to try to breed a 2021 Mercedes S-Class dasboard with a Tesla tablet-like center display and a Lamborghini Aventadorr center console.
In the air, I prefer a system that I can understand and has redundancy I can quickly comprehend
I still believe its too soon to try to breed a 2021 Mercedes S-Class dasboard with a Tesla tablet-like center display and a Lamborghini Aventadorr center console.
In the air, I prefer a system that I can understand and has redundancy I can quickly comprehend
Originally Posted by Agile
As an habitual HX50 sceptic, I admit, there are some detail that make sense for pilot awareness. large screen for map of the ground - power line indication...
A lot of good as well, don't get me wrong. Big proponent of doing things digitally. Be interesting to see if the wide format displays have a split down the middle and left/right segment redundancy, or whether they've cut costs by not doing that.
