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Old 14th Dec 2012, 07:44
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Oh dear - I think I have been all of those at some time in my career
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 08:47
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I think most of us have, but perhaps not all of them at the same time
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 09:46
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HE4 makes excellent reading; this material should feature in the PPL(H) syllabus and reviewed in the [L]PC
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 09:57
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Out of interest on a wet & windy morning, as a non AOC'd CPL(H), what currencies, qualifications, checks and limitations or dispensations will JP have to comply with in order to fly this type of operation?

If this is 'succesful' and the other millionaire pilot mates join in, how will things change and will they also have to be CPL's or would a PPL be sufficient?
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 12:59
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An AOC is irrelevent in this situation. You only need an AOC if you are flying for hire and reward and he presumably is not, then one could do it with a PPLH !!!!!!!!!!
He would have to do a normal yearly LPC and that is it. Wouldnt actually need a dispensation from many rules if all he was doing was taking off and landing following normal aviation practisces. He doesnt even break any aviation rules by landing, providing it is not in a congested area.
Probably not a great deal The CAA could do to stop him unless he lands at Trowbridge fire station !
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 14:17
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Thanks H500.
The next wait is to see who the other Thunderbirds will be. However, just like any other businessman entering into a new venture, JP will be keeping the names under his hat until agreements are made.
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 14:21
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Is PR classed as reward?
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 15:38
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What is a reward?
An incentive to motivation?
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 16:09
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Noun
A thing given in recognition of service, effort, or achievement.

Verb
Make a gift of something to (someone) in recognition of their services, efforts, or achievements.

Synonyms
noun. remuneration - recompense - prize - requital - premium
verb. requite - recompense - remunerate - repay - compensate

So he should be ok as long as no-one 'recognises' his efforts.
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 16:10
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You wold have to ask a solicitor that I am afraid. I would think the CAA wouldn't want to go down that route as they have a nasty habit of getting it wrong
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 16:11
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Is this not providing a service much the same as the police do with their helicopters? And do they not need to operate with an AOC?
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 19:07
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Ok , I just couldn't contain myself any longer ... There should be an announcement next week in the press . I had my flight suit measured up for me last week and it has just arrived !!!!
Being very rich I had it tailored in Savile Row by my family tailor . I shall put a photo on soon with me posing next to my 109 ... Complete with water cannon out of each back door . The canon are fed from a crop spray tank on each side carrying approx 100 gallons . The spray is adjustable from the collective right down to fine mist ( which is the best format for pine forest fires )
I can't wait to get going and just want to say how much it means to me to have the personal support of two of our greatest ppruners .... Crab and TC . With their mil background and my natural skill I believe NO fire will be safe !!!!
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 19:53
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Fly for fun. You'll find that the ANO specifically requires an aircraft flown in the service of a Police authority to be operated under a PAOC, National AOC or EU-OPs AOC. I don't believe that is the same for anyone flying for the Fire Service..............

Obviously now that Police Authorities don't exist then anyone can fly for the police as well, so I suppose it's all up for grabs!!
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Old 15th Dec 2012, 06:15
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Police need an AOC as it was deemed the observer in the aircraft was a fare paying passnger and therefore an aoc was needed. Now under EASA OPs you can do aerial work with no aoc just need to be a cpl and you can have up to 8 pax on board that are fare paying pax providing they are directly related to the task. So if JP was a CPL then under EASA ops he could legally charge for his service !!!!!!.
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Old 15th Dec 2012, 12:54
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Be careful Nigel, I don't think you can do that without the sliding door mod as the doors must be locked open to fire canons.

Tam
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Old 15th Dec 2012, 16:02
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I am aware of that , Thankyou . We have fitted a quick release so will always take the doors off prior to operating the water cannon .
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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 17:38
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Has the trial started?
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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 21:16
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I cannot find the reference, but I vaguely recall the trial was due to start in April. If it was the 1st, then that might say something about the enterprise.
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 07:10
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Is that the trial for Nigel's water cannon ?
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 14:49
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Heli still in maintenance so not for a couple weeks ...
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