Millionaire helicopter pilots to ferry emergency services...
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Millionaire helicopter pilots to ferry emergency services...
Gordy
Could well be depends when I get home, and when back after hols.... Will defo meet you in Lincoln, Louth, or Grimsby if back in Blighty. 50/50 right now. Will know by end of week. Do feel a session coming on though mate, been awhile, regards and seasons greetings to the Little Lady......
Could well be depends when I get home, and when back after hols.... Will defo meet you in Lincoln, Louth, or Grimsby if back in Blighty. 50/50 right now. Will know by end of week. Do feel a session coming on though mate, been awhile, regards and seasons greetings to the Little Lady......
Al-bert
You're lucky we didn't get it mixed up with the "Illegally parked car" we used to drop
It would have taken more than 60 secs to fix you up after that!!
Best use of a firebucket I've seen was in the Falklands - used on 23 Sqn
As for Mr P - anybody who has his own patch on the shoulder of a flying suit proclaiming he is a member of an emergency service is a ****
HF
I once had a 1000lb water load dropped on me at a Gutersloh airshow (I was the stooge who had to run out of the crowd complete in kaftan and hippy wig).
It would have taken more than 60 secs to fix you up after that!!Best use of a firebucket I've seen was in the Falklands - used on 23 Sqn
As for Mr P - anybody who has his own patch on the shoulder of a flying suit proclaiming he is a member of an emergency service is a ****
HF
You're lucky we didn't get it mixed up with the "Illegally parked car" we used to drop
Downwash n fires
Heli
I quite agree Heli, and certainly bow to the experiance of those that fight fires professionally (Newfie et al). Our rather futile attempts with a rainmaker bucket and a wessex back in the '70's was 'a good idea at the time'. It was bollocks! My fire spreading had nothing to do with fire fighting, at least by us - if I told you I'd have to kill you!
re water bombing. The OP isn't about bombing but anyone with a season or three under their belt would be cacking themselves with the idea that downwash should be an issue
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Al,
At the risk of going OT, what we did in the 70s was OTJ training. Out in the real world we realised the Mil penchant for short/no strops was a FIGJAM moment of gross stupidity. 100' or more is used in the real world for a good reason, and by my 10th season I could actually see why
At the risk of going OT, what we did in the 70s was OTJ training. Out in the real world we realised the Mil penchant for short/no strops was a FIGJAM moment of gross stupidity. 100' or more is used in the real world for a good reason, and by my 10th season I could actually see why
Heli - I think it depends on the scale of fire you are fighting - I have successfully put out small fires on ranges (caused by tracer) simply using the downwash of the Lynx.
Equally we used the fire bucket in Cyprus with the Wessex many times to fight bigger bush fires without the need for 100' long-line. It still wokrs in the Falklands that way with peat fires.
What is for certain is that (as others have posted) the fire fighting effort needs to be co-ordinated between air assets and between air and ground assets.
NigelH - we may not have agreed on every topic but I like the cut of your jib
Equally we used the fire bucket in Cyprus with the Wessex many times to fight bigger bush fires without the need for 100' long-line. It still wokrs in the Falklands that way with peat fires.
What is for certain is that (as others have posted) the fire fighting effort needs to be co-ordinated between air assets and between air and ground assets.
NigelH - we may not have agreed on every topic but I like the cut of your jib
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Equally we used the fire bucket in Cyprus with the Wessex many times to fight bigger bush fires without the need for 100' long-line. It still wokrs in the Falklands that way with peat fires.
Whilst we listen and learn from you re SAROps, maybe you could benefit from doing the same when professionals in other aspects of aviating offer hard won advice?
100' or more is used in the real world for a good reason
why is the thread about 'millionaire pilots'?? Are there others of us with more than a mill to our name, lining up to be jack the lad?
So long as the currency is not dollars anyway....say like errrrr...Vietnamese Dong maybe!
Heli - I am not trying to outdo you guys who fight big fires for a living - just pointing out that not every fire needs 100' longline buckets to put it out. I realise you use this technique for good reason.
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heli;
heli,
You will of course be telling these guys to 'professional up' and get a longer line, wont you!...
...all found, c&p'd and posted in the time it takes to nuke some porridge!
...and perhaps you'd like to look at what others are actually saying before going off at them.....or is there some kind of crab/fishead thing going on between you two?
crab,
Whilst we listen and learn from you re SAROps, maybe you could benefit from doing the same when professionals in other aspects of aviating offer hard won advice?
Whilst we listen and learn from you re SAROps, maybe you could benefit from doing the same when professionals in other aspects of aviating offer hard won advice?
You will of course be telling these guys to 'professional up' and get a longer line, wont you!...
...all found, c&p'd and posted in the time it takes to nuke some porridge!
...and perhaps you'd like to look at what others are actually saying before going off at them.....or is there some kind of crab/fishead thing going on between you two?
There is a place for long line and belly hook. I use them both in the same day, and in fact in the same fuel cycle.
You missed these....all belly hooked....Yours truly....:
More for nostalgia---this was our departure fom Gillespie field every day when we re-located to a forward operating base on the big fire in San Diego..
And to show that the guys on the ground are an integral part of fire....
You missed these....all belly hooked....Yours truly....:
More for nostalgia---this was our departure fom Gillespie field every day when we re-located to a forward operating base on the big fire in San Diego..
And to show that the guys on the ground are an integral part of fire....
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'heli just edges ahead of crab@ in the 5 furlong firefighting equipment deployment challenge'
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...before Gordy comes down the inside and pulls the carpet from under heli's feet 
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Being a Chinook Pilot in my Heart and Soul......this is fire fighting done right!
Granted it is a PR Video by Columbia (remember all those North Sea Chinooks that are still earning their keep today) there are excellent shots showing the value of a long line approach to fire fighting . I will submit the Long Line in general usage is far more valuable than a tanked aircraft.
I first used the Twin Fiberglass Fire Buckets in 1968.....in Vietnam using CH-47A's.
Granted it is a PR Video by Columbia (remember all those North Sea Chinooks that are still earning their keep today) there are excellent shots showing the value of a long line approach to fire fighting . I will submit the Long Line in general usage is far more valuable than a tanked aircraft.
I first used the Twin Fiberglass Fire Buckets in 1968.....in Vietnam using CH-47A's.
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Not sure what hoops JP has to jump through in order to do this 'Emergency Service' work, but in order to do mine there are a few to go through. While prepping for an upcoming hoop, I came across hard copies of a couple of booklets that may be of interest.
HE3 Helicopter Off Airfield Landing Site Operations
HE4 Training Leaflet – Single Pilot Decision Making
I thought part of HE4 may be relevant here;
Hazardous Attitudes
1. Anti-authority ›› “Don’t tell me what to do!” This attitude is found in people who do not like anyone telling them what to do. In a sense, they tend to regard rules, regulations, and procedures as unnecessary.
2. Impulsivity ›› “Must do something now!” This is the attitude of people who frequently feel the need to do something, anything, immediately. They do not take the time to think about what they are about to do; therefore they often do not select the best alternative.
3. Invulnerability ›› “It won’t happen to me.” Many people feel that accidents happen only to others, but can’t happen to them. They never really feel or believe that they will be personally involved. Pilots who think this way are more likely to take chances and increase risk.
4. Macho/Egocentric ›› “I can do it – I’ll show them.” Pilots with this type of attitude often take risks to prove that they are good and to impress others.
5. Resignation ›› “What's the use? There is nothing I can do.” The pilot will leave the action to others, for better or worse. Sometimes, such pilots will even go along with unreasonable requests just to be a “nice guy”.
HE3 Helicopter Off Airfield Landing Site Operations
HE4 Training Leaflet – Single Pilot Decision Making
I thought part of HE4 may be relevant here;
Hazardous Attitudes
1. Anti-authority ›› “Don’t tell me what to do!” This attitude is found in people who do not like anyone telling them what to do. In a sense, they tend to regard rules, regulations, and procedures as unnecessary.
2. Impulsivity ›› “Must do something now!” This is the attitude of people who frequently feel the need to do something, anything, immediately. They do not take the time to think about what they are about to do; therefore they often do not select the best alternative.
3. Invulnerability ›› “It won’t happen to me.” Many people feel that accidents happen only to others, but can’t happen to them. They never really feel or believe that they will be personally involved. Pilots who think this way are more likely to take chances and increase risk.
4. Macho/Egocentric ›› “I can do it – I’ll show them.” Pilots with this type of attitude often take risks to prove that they are good and to impress others.
5. Resignation ›› “What's the use? There is nothing I can do.” The pilot will leave the action to others, for better or worse. Sometimes, such pilots will even go along with unreasonable requests just to be a “nice guy”.