UK NPAS discussion: thread Mk 2
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Do you not think that that might just be as a result of the fleet being cut by a third! Please see here the ACPO press release (no doubt you will call spin) clearly stating that Air Support will go from 33 aircraft to 26, now even by my maths thats a drop of 7 which is less than a quarter and closer to a fifth. No doubt if you keep quoting sensationalist figures like 'cut by a third' people will start to believe it.
Do you not think that that might just be as a result of the fleet being cut by a third! Please see here the ACPO press release (no doubt you will call spin) clearly stating that Air Support will go from 33 aircraft to 26, now even by my maths thats a drop of 7 which is less than a quarter and closer to a fifth. No doubt if you keep quoting sensationalist figures like 'cut by a third' people will start to believe it.
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I think everyone can agree it's a different service, most might agree it's not a more for less service, those that are at the coal face might say it's a worse service, and those with careers to care about will say it's a better service (to the boss).
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Tigerfish, no harm no foul, I'm as thick skinned as the next man, lets agree to disagree. Hopefully we both have about another 50 years r so to see the result
Art of Flight, one f the best posts I have seen on here for a long time, well done sir.
On to the next round, what does everyone think to the new NPAS pink aircraft colour scheme?!!!
Art of Flight, one f the best posts I have seen on here for a long time, well done sir.
On to the next round, what does everyone think to the new NPAS pink aircraft colour scheme?!!!
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From the ACPO press release from Oct last year at the NPAS launch.
Lets not doubt that this is a BETTER service.. (as far as ACPO are concerned)
This is a great example of police working together to improve services for the public while saving money.
Cllr Brian Greenslade, The Association of Police Authorities (APA) lead on Air Support said,
"The National Police Air Service has the potential to deliver better public protection at lower cost.
"The National Police Air Service has the potential to deliver better public protection at lower cost.
TC the man's contact details should be a matter of public record.... somewhere in the depths of the web site for the Association of Police Authorities there will be a contact point.
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The real reason I came to put in my pennyworth is a potential testing point for the future. A testing point for the police service in general, potentially NPAS and most certainly the politicians that have in one way or another driven the form of NPAS and the police of today.
In June there is to be a G8 in Ireland that will severely strain PSNI.
Because of earlier politically motivated cuts they are already down on numbers [RUC 8,500 and PSNI 7,000] and there is a shortfall in numbers available for the safe running of the G8. Last time in Scotland there was a need for 10,000 pairs of feet on the street - and with the best will in the world NI is not Scotland.
It is said that PSNI could do with more aircraft on a day to day basis but there are none yet evident. Thats why they lease in the ex-D&C BK117. A shortfall in G8 capability could be placed at the feet of air support.
There is a ready source of role equipped spare airframes with NPAS [even though PSNI has no real relationship with NPAS] and it will be interesting to judge whether some of those spares will migrate to Belfast for a week [with the pilots and officers being enticed with bags of gold] and whether there are 3,000 [unarmed] mainland officers left with the will to put their lives on the line for those few dollars more....
In my time I would go anywhere for a couple of hundred extra in the bin at the end of the month .... but I am not so sure that I would ever have gone that far....
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The real reason I came to put in my pennyworth is a potential testing point for the future. A testing point for the police service in general, potentially NPAS and most certainly the politicians that have in one way or another driven the form of NPAS and the police of today.
In June there is to be a G8 in Ireland that will severely strain PSNI.
Because of earlier politically motivated cuts they are already down on numbers [RUC 8,500 and PSNI 7,000] and there is a shortfall in numbers available for the safe running of the G8. Last time in Scotland there was a need for 10,000 pairs of feet on the street - and with the best will in the world NI is not Scotland.
It is said that PSNI could do with more aircraft on a day to day basis but there are none yet evident. Thats why they lease in the ex-D&C BK117. A shortfall in G8 capability could be placed at the feet of air support.
There is a ready source of role equipped spare airframes with NPAS [even though PSNI has no real relationship with NPAS] and it will be interesting to judge whether some of those spares will migrate to Belfast for a week [with the pilots and officers being enticed with bags of gold] and whether there are 3,000 [unarmed] mainland officers left with the will to put their lives on the line for those few dollars more....
In my time I would go anywhere for a couple of hundred extra in the bin at the end of the month .... but I am not so sure that I would ever have gone that far....
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You don't need a cops nose to know that in a pursuit you are going to have to terminate for safety unless the helicopter gets here quickly. A crass statement that insults police officers everywhere. You always have a chance when the helicopter gets there quickly. Including for offenders making off. Every minute delay decreases the chance of success. Saying it would not have been a decent job if they can't accept a delay is total ignorance.
PS. It isn't a short delay either!
PS. It isn't a short delay either!
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In June there is to be a G8 in Ireland that will severely strain PSNI.
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If they are having a G8 meeting in Ireland should the Garda not look after it rather than the PSNI?
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The wheels are in motion already for G8. My force has already asked for PSU trained officers to come forward to volunteer.
The pisser is that little if any of it will be for any extra money, as leave has already been cancelled across the force.
There is an annual leave embargo in place for the period for all officers and rest days have been cancelled already so that we (those not going to NI) can back-fill for those that are going at no extra cost to the force.
Personally I doubt whether any extra police a/c and/or crews will be going. Even they did I'm sure the met would be chosen to do it in preference to anyone else.
The pisser is that little if any of it will be for any extra money, as leave has already been cancelled across the force.
There is an annual leave embargo in place for the period for all officers and rest days have been cancelled already so that we (those not going to NI) can back-fill for those that are going at no extra cost to the force.
Personally I doubt whether any extra police a/c and/or crews will be going. Even they did I'm sure the met would be chosen to do it in preference to anyone else.
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You don't need a cops nose to know that in a pursuit you are going to have to terminate for safety unless the helicopter gets here quickly
As a Police Officer who has been involved in many pursuits, when it gets unsafe I have the brains to quit. I value my life and my livelihood, it's crass stupidity to suggest otherwise.
Pursuits still go on when aircraft are unavailable for weather, engineering etc. We are a nice to have when it comes to pursuits, they don't get terminated whether an aircraft is overhead or not. I have been on pursuits where ground units where withdrawn and in the end so was the aircraft as it was affecting the manner of driving.
Pursuits are like aviation, in the end it all comes down to safety, when the pucker factor gets high its time to leave.
TC - you will find Councillor Brian Greenslade in Barnstaple, North Devon -
[email protected]
quite what he knows about air support I would be interested to know.
[email protected]
quite what he knows about air support I would be interested to know.
