UK NPAS discussion: thread Mk 2
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EASA & NPAS
Does anybody know the answer on this question,
what will be with the police pilots licences in the EASA World... Will they keep the EASA licences or they will be pushed somewhere into the national (separate) register and fly on national licences, together with their helicopters ?
JR
what will be with the police pilots licences in the EASA World... Will they keep the EASA licences or they will be pushed somewhere into the national (separate) register and fly on national licences, together with their helicopters ?
JR
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I do not believe EASA have any immediate plans to regulate state aircraft (in fact, I don't think they have any long term plans to regulate State Aircraft either). The ANO has been amended to allow UK registered non-EASA aircraft to be flown by a pilot holding a Part-FCL (EASA), Licence. Article 50 of the ANO should give you all of the information you need.
This is a bit of an old presentation but it should explain things!
This is a bit of an old presentation but it should explain things!
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HS is right, can be complex but I think the ultra-simple answer is that an EASA aircraft is one where the Type Cerificate has been recognised and adopted by EASA. Non-EASA aircraft have not; and are Categorised Annexe II - VFR
HS is right, can be complex but I think the ultra-simple answer is that an EASA aircraft is one where the Type Cerificate has been recognised and adopted by EASA. Non-EASA aircraft have not; and are Categorised Annexe II - VFR
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Thanks guys, I think that I generally understood.
for example;
...in Eurocopter factory; standing a two new EC-135´s, identical on a first view...
First one, built for the Civil protection/Gendarmerie, can´t be civil registered (something like military version etc.) - non EASA aircraft
Second one, ordered by the one european police, and can be/will be civil registered - EASA aircraft ?
I wonder how is situation with an old B206 which is in a civil register (ICAO, JAR ...) more than 25 years ...will go to the Annex II VFR (non-EASA) ?
JR
for example;
...in Eurocopter factory; standing a two new EC-135´s, identical on a first view...
First one, built for the Civil protection/Gendarmerie, can´t be civil registered (something like military version etc.) - non EASA aircraft
Second one, ordered by the one european police, and can be/will be civil registered - EASA aircraft ?
I wonder how is situation with an old B206 which is in a civil register (ICAO, JAR ...) more than 25 years ...will go to the Annex II VFR (non-EASA) ?
JR
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There is a perceived 'problem' raised by some in Europe that mainly affects the former Gendarmerie aircraft operators.
As you probably know a number of them eventually migrated to being 'taken over' by the civil authorities [from military to ministry of the interior]. This apparently simple move had a massive sting in the tail in that the engineering and support could move across to being civil [145] certified in the future but it left behind earlier airframes that could not/cannot be retreived into being a saleable commodity.
The result is that there are a number of airframes imprisoned in a 'no man's' land and virtually unsaleable. The Caribinieri in Italy managed to offload some of its AgustaBell 206s to a military user but that is not an option available to many with the ongoing military shrinkage. There are therefore plenty of machines just waiting for museums. They need more museums in Belgium and I suspect that the rebuild of MD900s to 902s may well offer a chance embrace the fleet a life under 145!
Future Euro police aircraft may be EASA compliant but the old stuff is a problem.
As you probably know a number of them eventually migrated to being 'taken over' by the civil authorities [from military to ministry of the interior]. This apparently simple move had a massive sting in the tail in that the engineering and support could move across to being civil [145] certified in the future but it left behind earlier airframes that could not/cannot be retreived into being a saleable commodity.
The result is that there are a number of airframes imprisoned in a 'no man's' land and virtually unsaleable. The Caribinieri in Italy managed to offload some of its AgustaBell 206s to a military user but that is not an option available to many with the ongoing military shrinkage. There are therefore plenty of machines just waiting for museums. They need more museums in Belgium and I suspect that the rebuild of MD900s to 902s may well offer a chance embrace the fleet a life under 145!
Future Euro police aircraft may be EASA compliant but the old stuff is a problem.
What I never understood then when I was flying the things, nor now, when I'm not is why hasn't the Brit government made police air ops: State aircraft. Just like the Gendarmerie? It would make life a lot easier approving various mods etc.
The only useful response I got then was that as the a/c got sold off, without an EASA Cof AW the hulls would be worthless.
But now its a national thang - why not convert to state rule?
shooting from a helo/rapid roping/winching would be the norm for everyone.........
Any reasonable ideas?
The only useful response I got then was that as the a/c got sold off, without an EASA Cof AW the hulls would be worthless.
But now its a national thang - why not convert to state rule?
shooting from a helo/rapid roping/winching would be the norm for everyone.........
Any reasonable ideas?
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Gendarmerie / Carabinieri etc. are military formations with some civil competences ( some countries in Europe still have that model ).
Police is a part/arm of civil society.
Same story if we discuss about the helicopters.
I'm more happy that my helicopter is under the civil registration with the EASA rules, 145, maintenance, no improvisations etc.
JR
Police is a part/arm of civil society.
Same story if we discuss about the helicopters.
I'm more happy that my helicopter is under the civil registration with the EASA rules, 145, maintenance, no improvisations etc.
JR
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8 April 2013
BBC News - Staffordshire Police decide not to share services with West Midlands
Turning the clock back 6 months;
3 Oct 2012
BBC News - West Midlands and Staffordshire police sharing plans agreed
Collaboration & savings......that rings a bell;
01 October 2012
ACPO Media Centre - National Police Air Service is launched
Along with savings;
'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho'(though) the soldiers knew
Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to ......
—Alfred, Lord Tennyson
BBC News - Staffordshire Police decide not to share services with West Midlands
Two forces' plans to share services have been scrapped after a review ordered by Staffordshire's Police and Crime Commissioner Matthew Ellis.
The Staffordshire and West Midlands forces were considering sharing armed response, dog support and training, tactical planning and roads policing.
The review found there were few significant financial or service benefits from sharing services.
The Staffordshire and West Midlands forces were considering sharing armed response, dog support and training, tactical planning and roads policing.
The review found there were few significant financial or service benefits from sharing services.
Turning the clock back 6 months;
3 Oct 2012
BBC News - West Midlands and Staffordshire police sharing plans agreed
The joint police authority also heard a report from the programme director on how the plans are progressing.
The move will mean total savings of almost £2.5m, West Midlands Police Authority have said.
The Staffordshire force wants to save £22m by 2013, and West Midlands aims to save £78m in the same time frame.
The authority has said that the two forces have been exploring a "collaboration" since last year and maintain the plans are not a merger.
The move will mean total savings of almost £2.5m, West Midlands Police Authority have said.
The Staffordshire force wants to save £22m by 2013, and West Midlands aims to save £78m in the same time frame.
The authority has said that the two forces have been exploring a "collaboration" since last year and maintain the plans are not a merger.
Collaboration & savings......that rings a bell;
01 October 2012
ACPO Media Centre - National Police Air Service is launched
Along with savings;
The service will deliver a more cost effective service balancing the need to save money against the need to ensure the police service has a quickly deployable asset that can be used to tackle crime and protect the public. It is anticipated that NPAS will save up to £15 million a year compared to previous arrangements for police air support when all forces join NPAS.
'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho'(though) the soldiers knew
Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to ......
—Alfred, Lord Tennyson