Heli ditch North Sea G-REDL: NOT condolences
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The issue in the case of this accident is there is no evidence at all until the relevant items have been recovered from the seabed and analysed.
The last ditching (225) we had 2 walking and talking crew to give at least a summary of what went on.
I think it is a little unfair to trash the Bond Manager who stated there was no evidence of mechanical failure. I think the VT was edited to remove the Question that prompted the response. What I beleive he meant is that there was nothing immediatley apparant to indicate what kind of mechanical failure had occurred, ie crew RT call, HUMs trace etc.
I think it is probably obvious that something mechanical and catastrophic has occurred and as a current L2 driver I am, like everyone else, desperatley keen to know what it was, but the only way we will know for sure is when the AAIB do their stuff.
I am very saddened not only by the fate of the crew and passengers but the individuals on this forum that yet AGAIN decided to post deeply sensitive information about the MAYDAY call. Just because the newspapers reported it why should the pain by deepened by (what is supposed to be aviators) on this forum repeating it for their own self gratification.
Callous, uncaring, inconsiderate, craven vultures that they are!!!
I only hope they will be called to account for their remarks when they visit the big hangar in the sky!!
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The last ditching (225) we had 2 walking and talking crew to give at least a summary of what went on.
I think it is a little unfair to trash the Bond Manager who stated there was no evidence of mechanical failure. I think the VT was edited to remove the Question that prompted the response. What I beleive he meant is that there was nothing immediatley apparant to indicate what kind of mechanical failure had occurred, ie crew RT call, HUMs trace etc.
I think it is probably obvious that something mechanical and catastrophic has occurred and as a current L2 driver I am, like everyone else, desperatley keen to know what it was, but the only way we will know for sure is when the AAIB do their stuff.
I am very saddened not only by the fate of the crew and passengers but the individuals on this forum that yet AGAIN decided to post deeply sensitive information about the MAYDAY call. Just because the newspapers reported it why should the pain by deepened by (what is supposed to be aviators) on this forum repeating it for their own self gratification.
Callous, uncaring, inconsiderate, craven vultures that they are!!!
I only hope they will be called to account for their remarks when they visit the big hangar in the sky!!
DB
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I was shocked to hear of this latest tragedy, I used to work on Miller back in '91 and remember one helo MGB failure with the same operator in '92 that had to crash-land on the un-commissioned helideck. Quite an unpleasant experience for the pilots and PAX, luckily they all came out of it OK.
I also see the media hounds have picked up the Brazil AS332L2 crash unknown cause issue from last February.
Question, why has there been no definitive conclusion on that particular failure after more than a year? Is it to do with the Brazilian regulators? Surely the operator must know by now what went wrong, why not share this data?
My main reason for asking is that I may have to fly in a AS332L2 as soon as next week over here in Canada. I'm running out of helos I can trust....information sharing is vital to secure confidence in PAX as well as pilots.
I also see the media hounds have picked up the Brazil AS332L2 crash unknown cause issue from last February.
Question, why has there been no definitive conclusion on that particular failure after more than a year? Is it to do with the Brazilian regulators? Surely the operator must know by now what went wrong, why not share this data?
My main reason for asking is that I may have to fly in a AS332L2 as soon as next week over here in Canada. I'm running out of helos I can trust....information sharing is vital to secure confidence in PAX as well as pilots.
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Were there any reports of migrating birds in the area around the time of the accident? e.g. about 24,000 barnacle geese migrate from the Solway Firth to Svalbard via Norway at about this time of the year.
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Were there any reports of migrating birds in the area around the time of the accident? e.g. about 24,000 barnacle geese migrate from the Solway Firth to Svalbard via Norway at about this time of the year.
We'll know more once the FDR/VDR is interrogated and the investigation team have a chance to make a preliminary examination of the recovered wreckage.
Here's to a quick answer so we can all move on...
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YEAH ! I hit a few flamingos at SHD . Do us all a favor leave it to the experts and stop speculating . I have to say that in the last few months i've seen a real dark side to this website .I think it should be canned
Why NOT condolences ! , could someone explain this ? We've all lost colleagues that day and a little !@#$ decides that we cant express our condolences .
Instead they want the facts so all the reporters have something to run with .
Not venting , would like an honest answer .
Why NOT condolences ! , could someone explain this ? We've all lost colleagues that day and a little !@#$ decides that we cant express our condolences .
Instead they want the facts so all the reporters have something to run with .
Not venting , would like an honest answer .
Chief Bottle Washer
Originally Posted by P1V1T1
Why NOT condolences ! , could someone explain this ? We've all lost colleagues that day and a little !@#$ decides that we cant express our condolences .
Instead they want the facts so all the reporters have something to run with .
Not venting , would like an honest answer .
Instead they want the facts so all the reporters have something to run with .
Not venting , would like an honest answer .
There is a condolences thread should you wish to post there.
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Thanks for the reply Senior but post 47 is a total contradiction .
"Anyone who is not touched by this tragedy is in the minority. There were, however, a number of posts which would be better in a separate thread"
Quote explained
"We dont care what you think we want the dirty gossip . Condolences are a waste of time ."
Senior i've followed this thread and was humbled when so many people offered their condolences. It made me proud to be a pilot .
Now since this thread has been changed it shows how many desk pilots are really out their . Best of luck guys , enjoy simulator X.
GET A LIFE
"Anyone who is not touched by this tragedy is in the minority. There were, however, a number of posts which would be better in a separate thread"
Quote explained
"We dont care what you think we want the dirty gossip . Condolences are a waste of time ."
Senior i've followed this thread and was humbled when so many people offered their condolences. It made me proud to be a pilot .
Now since this thread has been changed it shows how many desk pilots are really out their . Best of luck guys , enjoy simulator X.
GET A LIFE
Last edited by P1V1T1; 6th Apr 2009 at 00:26.
I think having a dedicated thread for condolences following a tragedy like this one is quite proper. Folks can post their offers of condolence to the victim's families, post poems, photos, remembrances of good times shared and the like and if a victim's family cared to download and copy or print the postings they would all be in one thread.
Thank you for doing that SP....wise move in my view!
Thank you for doing that SP....wise move in my view!
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Originally Posted by P1V1T1
Thanks for the reply Senior but post 47 is a total contradiction .
"Anyone who is not touched by this tragedy is in the minority. There were, however, a number of posts which would be better in a separate thread"
Quote explained
"We dont care what you think we want the dirty gossip . Condolences are a waste of time ."
Senior i've followed this thread and was humbled when so many people offered their condolences. It made me proud to be a pilot .
Now since this thread has been changed it shows how many desk pilots are really out their . Best of luck guys , enjoy simulator X.
GET A LIFE
"Anyone who is not touched by this tragedy is in the minority. There were, however, a number of posts which would be better in a separate thread"
Quote explained
"We dont care what you think we want the dirty gossip . Condolences are a waste of time ."
Senior i've followed this thread and was humbled when so many people offered their condolences. It made me proud to be a pilot .
Now since this thread has been changed it shows how many desk pilots are really out their . Best of luck guys , enjoy simulator X.
GET A LIFE
If you have followed this thread, etc, as you say, then why have you decided to make an issue after another 4 days? If you're after an argument, please take it somewhere else. This thread is not the place. Meanwhile, your condolences would be appreciated in the right thread.
maxwelg, there are no L2's in Canada -unless you have real interesting rumor information you can share. Of course, everything else you could fly instead of an L2 has also crashed at least once, so I hope you didn't have your heart set on a flying a helicopter type that has never crashed.
Never heard the Brazilian L2 had any mechanical problem, I wonder where that information is coming from. The Malaysians had a streak of poor maintenance decimating their 332 fleet but everything else has been pilot error of some sort, and to most of us proving the reliability of the L2. Our surprise at a mechanical issue downing this L2 is the reason we are all so interested in the cause of this latest crash. If we were all satisfied just waiting for the AAIB report we wouldn't bother reading this forum.
Compared to other events it has been quite a while since the crash to have absolutely no information. Such as, the eyewitnesses on the ship that watched it crash, why have we had nothing at all in the way of a description of what they saw? Enough divers looking at it and parts mapped or recovered, were any significant components any distance away from the main site? Not a word from Eurocopter, no even some sanctimonious suggestions from oil company aviation advisors, that are normally quick to suggest fixes to their operators before any facts are in.
Never heard the Brazilian L2 had any mechanical problem, I wonder where that information is coming from. The Malaysians had a streak of poor maintenance decimating their 332 fleet but everything else has been pilot error of some sort, and to most of us proving the reliability of the L2. Our surprise at a mechanical issue downing this L2 is the reason we are all so interested in the cause of this latest crash. If we were all satisfied just waiting for the AAIB report we wouldn't bother reading this forum.
Compared to other events it has been quite a while since the crash to have absolutely no information. Such as, the eyewitnesses on the ship that watched it crash, why have we had nothing at all in the way of a description of what they saw? Enough divers looking at it and parts mapped or recovered, were any significant components any distance away from the main site? Not a word from Eurocopter, no even some sanctimonious suggestions from oil company aviation advisors, that are normally quick to suggest fixes to their operators before any facts are in.
Condolences or not.
Gents
For future reference, and being perhaps a little too close to this particular accident I can tell you two things.
Pauls family have seen the condolences thread and found some solace in it, I printed it off for his mum on Thursday evening along with some heartfelt PMs I'd received.
I know that Paul wouldn't mind speculation as we would often discuss at length the "what do you think scenarios", and even if the idle speculation that goes on post crash makes one person think about something differently then perhaps that speculation has served a purpose. Whether it is appropriate to do that speculating on PPrune is another matter and one which I cannot judge.
Whilst we may have some idea soon, what caused the crash when the AAIB start to release their factual accounts of what happened, we will then have to wait for their conclusions and this will obviously take some time.
I do think that when we (as a community) are put in this situation again (and we will be) that a condolences thread is a very appropriate thing to have and to be kept completely seperate from a thread like this, some of the families may read this one, no one is forcing them too, but a collection of memories and good wishes like in the other one is often likely to be seen by them at some point.
Fly Safe Guys
Gary
For future reference, and being perhaps a little too close to this particular accident I can tell you two things.
Pauls family have seen the condolences thread and found some solace in it, I printed it off for his mum on Thursday evening along with some heartfelt PMs I'd received.
I know that Paul wouldn't mind speculation as we would often discuss at length the "what do you think scenarios", and even if the idle speculation that goes on post crash makes one person think about something differently then perhaps that speculation has served a purpose. Whether it is appropriate to do that speculating on PPrune is another matter and one which I cannot judge.
Whilst we may have some idea soon, what caused the crash when the AAIB start to release their factual accounts of what happened, we will then have to wait for their conclusions and this will obviously take some time.
I do think that when we (as a community) are put in this situation again (and we will be) that a condolences thread is a very appropriate thing to have and to be kept completely seperate from a thread like this, some of the families may read this one, no one is forcing them too, but a collection of memories and good wishes like in the other one is often likely to be seen by them at some point.
Fly Safe Guys
Gary
Final Crash Victim Found
Media reporting that at last the final body from this crash has been found, at least now the families and friends of all the guys killed know that they will be able to say goodbye to them in their own way.
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BBC NEWS | Scotland | North East/N Isles | Ship brings back bodies to port
Tail Rotor / gearbox (including blades), and horizontal stabilizer still very much intact and attached to the pylon. Small glimpse of the Main rotor head in the background with dome fairing and sleeves where they should be.
I think it's excellent that only 5 days after this horrific accident, all bodies are returned to their loved ones, and the wreckage and CVFDR are already in the hands of the AAIB.
Great effort by the recovery people, who've dealt with a very sensitive situation quickly and efficiently under the glare of the media.
Tail Rotor / gearbox (including blades), and horizontal stabilizer still very much intact and attached to the pylon. Small glimpse of the Main rotor head in the background with dome fairing and sleeves where they should be.
I think it's excellent that only 5 days after this horrific accident, all bodies are returned to their loved ones, and the wreckage and CVFDR are already in the hands of the AAIB.
Great effort by the recovery people, who've dealt with a very sensitive situation quickly and efficiently under the glare of the media.
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Might I suggest a moderator-posting giving the "rules of engagement" following an accident - eg the separate condolences thread, that its OK to speculate on the cause, or whatever. Pref "frozen" so no-one can reply in disagreement. It could be made sticky for the duration of the aftermath of accidents. That way we would spend less time tediously bickering about what should and shouldn't be posted. Those that don't like it can find another forum instead.
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Might I suggest a moderator-posting giving the "rules of engagement" following an accident - eg the separate condolences thread, that its OK to speculate on the cause, or whatever. Pref "frozen" so no-one can reply in disagreement. It could be made sticky for the duration of the aftermath of accidents. That way we would spend less time tediously bickering about what should and shouldn't be posted. Those that don't like it can find another forum instead.
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Senior , I've hit breaking point with this site , reporters use it for factual information , I would think a more secure site should be discussed .
I appreciate your patience but I would prefer if some rules were set out.
It seems that these condolance threads are set up when people cant access the juicy gossip easily .
All accidents should have a condolence thread yes/no? this should be finalized .
Veeany im glad to hear that , thanks .
I appreciate your patience but I would prefer if some rules were set out.
It seems that these condolance threads are set up when people cant access the juicy gossip easily .
All accidents should have a condolence thread yes/no? this should be finalized .
Veeany im glad to hear that , thanks .
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I have followed the thread with a bit of curiosity, as an offshore worker I think that is natural. As someone working as a current RO I have more involvement than most onboard regarding the flights. Having served in light blue I have worked closely with aircrew for most of my working life and am well aware of the professional and responsible attitude that all flyers take, I have seen nothing but that attitude and approach from the crews and operations people I have dealt with in my years Offshore.
Purely a personal point of view but I am happy to fly in the L2, all the guys I have spoken with lately are happy to fly as well, the attiutude I have seen is if the pilots are happy to sign for the cab and fly then so are we, after all you guys and the engineers are the experts on the airframe. Not the easiest of times right now for those of you flying the L2 but I thought that after some recent, and in my view unfair, negative media coverage it was appropriate that someone from your customer base spoke up, if only to say that your efforts are appreciated.
Purely a personal point of view but I am happy to fly in the L2, all the guys I have spoken with lately are happy to fly as well, the attiutude I have seen is if the pilots are happy to sign for the cab and fly then so are we, after all you guys and the engineers are the experts on the airframe. Not the easiest of times right now for those of you flying the L2 but I thought that after some recent, and in my view unfair, negative media coverage it was appropriate that someone from your customer base spoke up, if only to say that your efforts are appreciated.
From BBC News:
A Super Puma helicopter has been involved in a "precautionary landing" while flying over the North Sea.
The helicopter, operated by CHC, landed on the Safe Caledonia after reporting a fuel problem on its way to Aberdeen from the Sedco 714 rig.
The company said it was a precautionary landing. There were 19 passengers and two crew on board.
The incident happened on Monday morning. The helicopter will be assessed by an engineer.
Capt SFB
A Super Puma helicopter has been involved in a "precautionary landing" while flying over the North Sea.
The helicopter, operated by CHC, landed on the Safe Caledonia after reporting a fuel problem on its way to Aberdeen from the Sedco 714 rig.
The company said it was a precautionary landing. There were 19 passengers and two crew on board.
The incident happened on Monday morning. The helicopter will be assessed by an engineer.
Capt SFB
