Yobs throw rocks at air ambulance
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One of my 'jokes' to visitors here is that if we have an emergency landing, I will set down in the local safari park lion compound rather than some of the estates here. I have no doubt whatsoever that the aircraft would not last five minutes. No boundaries or respect for authority isthe problem, the government refuse to seriously address it..... Result? Exactly what we see now on the streets of our cities. They COULD be decent kids, but with no guidance and authority they just dont know how to behave. Tackle the cause (liberal do-gooders and so called rights) and we may get somewhere, if we just build prisons and lock them up then there will be thousands more to take their place.
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My point exactly, that is the problem, reading about sociology!! You last post talks about multi-facted this and poverty that. Management speak bo**ocks. These people laugh at people like this because they just nod and agree with you about wanting to sleep with their mother complexes!! When all they actually want to do is get out and get their next fix, saying anything to do it. In any society there will always be a criminal element, but these people just dont care what they do. That is because they can GET AWAY WITH IT!! Their rights are above that of their victims. Lazy viewpoint.... my a**e!!
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i think you are confusing sociology and psychotherapy. i suggest you stick to flying helicopters and reading the daily mail.
Yeah right matey!! How many other 'ologies and therapies' should I confuse you condesending prat. Cant stand the Daily Mail, I read the Sun, have you got some leftie complex theory that will now neatly put me in another box because of which paper I read? I like the sport coverage in that paper, so it goes without saying I must be a yobbo, eh??
Rant nearly over, sorry, but I cannot stand these people who think by quoting Freud and some books they have read at university they can talk to me like that. I now live around people with 'low basic skills' (leftie pinko term for scum) every day, we are having to move because of these nice misunderstood people around us. They dont care a toss about authority because they dont have to. Ology, therapy, whatever..... My qualification is real life experience. STOP protecting them and start giving them boundaries, if you get locked up for a year then do a year inside. The 14 year old's quote (who tried to run over a bobby in a stolen car) in the custody suite: "Yeah Yeah, I know my rights... I'm only 14 so tell me off and let me out, the football is on soon". It really IS the human rights lefties who stopped school discipline etc etc who have put us in this situation.
Oh well, got to go, my Daily Mail has arrived and my 12 hour shift is nearly over. Just a little bit of time left to fly my helicopter, thecontroller will be pleased with me for completing my task without thinking of sociology.....
Yeah right matey!! How many other 'ologies and therapies' should I confuse you condesending prat. Cant stand the Daily Mail, I read the Sun, have you got some leftie complex theory that will now neatly put me in another box because of which paper I read? I like the sport coverage in that paper, so it goes without saying I must be a yobbo, eh??
Rant nearly over, sorry, but I cannot stand these people who think by quoting Freud and some books they have read at university they can talk to me like that. I now live around people with 'low basic skills' (leftie pinko term for scum) every day, we are having to move because of these nice misunderstood people around us. They dont care a toss about authority because they dont have to. Ology, therapy, whatever..... My qualification is real life experience. STOP protecting them and start giving them boundaries, if you get locked up for a year then do a year inside. The 14 year old's quote (who tried to run over a bobby in a stolen car) in the custody suite: "Yeah Yeah, I know my rights... I'm only 14 so tell me off and let me out, the football is on soon". It really IS the human rights lefties who stopped school discipline etc etc who have put us in this situation.
Oh well, got to go, my Daily Mail has arrived and my 12 hour shift is nearly over. Just a little bit of time left to fly my helicopter, thecontroller will be pleased with me for completing my task without thinking of sociology.....
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not even close.the problem is the kids right. they should be doing mathematics, english, physics, and having legal fun right?
hmmm. it's funny how those kids comes from the state school IF ANY SCHOOL AT ALL ,the poor housing estate, the parents smoke and drink. what else are they supposed to do. if you were in their position you would probably be throwin rocks at (expensive) helicopters (owned by rich people), flown by helicopter pilots (who have a job at least).
capitalism.
ball.
not even close.the problem is the kids right. they should be doing mathematics, english, physics, and having legal fun right?
hmmm. it's funny how those kids comes from the state school IF ANY SCHOOL AT ALL ,the poor housing estate, the parents smoke and drink. what else are they supposed to do. if you were in their position you would probably be throwin rocks at (expensive) helicopters (owned by rich people), flown by helicopter pilots (who have a job at least).
capitalism.
ball.
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The problem I have with this whole situation, is that it was the Air Ambulance.
I completely agree with what has been said, young people having a problem with authority, not having any boundarys etc etc...
I am in no way condoning their behaviour, it is unacceptable in ANY society, no matter what your background, and no matter how many B&H your mum and dad smoke a day, BUT, I could almost understand it, if it were the Police aircraft. (It just highlighting the issue with authority), but an Air Ambulance, or a Fire Engine, what the hell is all that about????
I am not saying that had it been the Police aircraft that it would have been O.K, but it is like vandals, I cannot see what someone gets out of slashing tyres or keying the sides of cars, but I can understand what I thief gets out of stealing something.
I am sure I am going to get a whole heap of abuse for this, but it is the best way that I can explain!
I completely agree with what has been said, young people having a problem with authority, not having any boundarys etc etc...
I am in no way condoning their behaviour, it is unacceptable in ANY society, no matter what your background, and no matter how many B&H your mum and dad smoke a day, BUT, I could almost understand it, if it were the Police aircraft. (It just highlighting the issue with authority), but an Air Ambulance, or a Fire Engine, what the hell is all that about????
I am not saying that had it been the Police aircraft that it would have been O.K, but it is like vandals, I cannot see what someone gets out of slashing tyres or keying the sides of cars, but I can understand what I thief gets out of stealing something.
I am sure I am going to get a whole heap of abuse for this, but it is the best way that I can explain!
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Being a young spunker from the UK im so glad i had a good upbringing.
Before training as a pilot i was an engineer and i got a few of these num-nuts as apprentices.
Not only were they a pain in the arse they were also thick as Sh*te. I have no idea what has happened in the 10 years since i left school but boy this generation is only going to get worse.
I feel sorry for you guys being stuck back in that dump of a country with them, but until the government pulls its finger out its arse, the situation is only going to get worse.
There is no one answer way to resolve the way these kids are growing up, but im sure a damn good dose of discipline and teaching of respect is a good start.
These kids know the law cant touch them and even if it does they get sent home with a 'Please dont do that again'. What happened to being scared shi8less of the local bobby who would then drag you home and have your dad belt your arse red raw to make sure you didnt do it again?????
Get the tossers out of london and put them in these estates for a month, then see how they change their minds. If something is not done then that country is going to become even more of a cess pit and then these little bastards are going to have kids at 14 and let them grow up to be even worse.
Send the little ****s to Iraq and wake them up!!! Maybe even shoot the ba%8tards!!!.
Sorry guys for my rant, but those little sh8ts need sorting out before it get too late.
R22
Before training as a pilot i was an engineer and i got a few of these num-nuts as apprentices.
Not only were they a pain in the arse they were also thick as Sh*te. I have no idea what has happened in the 10 years since i left school but boy this generation is only going to get worse.
I feel sorry for you guys being stuck back in that dump of a country with them, but until the government pulls its finger out its arse, the situation is only going to get worse.
There is no one answer way to resolve the way these kids are growing up, but im sure a damn good dose of discipline and teaching of respect is a good start.
These kids know the law cant touch them and even if it does they get sent home with a 'Please dont do that again'. What happened to being scared shi8less of the local bobby who would then drag you home and have your dad belt your arse red raw to make sure you didnt do it again?????
Get the tossers out of london and put them in these estates for a month, then see how they change their minds. If something is not done then that country is going to become even more of a cess pit and then these little bastards are going to have kids at 14 and let them grow up to be even worse.
Send the little ****s to Iraq and wake them up!!! Maybe even shoot the ba%8tards!!!.
Sorry guys for my rant, but those little sh8ts need sorting out before it get too late.
R22
Sod the do-goders, bring back hanging and beating, get rid of the human rights sh*t and go back to old values. This post comes to you by someone under 35. 
Firstly, yes, cut their goolies off.
Secondly, I have (as I've admitted before) a strong hobby interest in martial arts - specifically I teach and practice a form of Jiu Jitsu.
A friend of mine runs a big Jiu Jitsu centre in Bedford - quite a severe and dangerous form of the art. Yet, the local social services refer problem kids to him, they've shown that what he teaches them is exactly what they need to calm them down, make them more sensible, and stop them being violent outside his training hall. Counter-intuitive, but damnit it works!
So, more than likely some variation on national service might work. Failing that, a few hours locked in a room with a martial arts instructor seems to do the job quite well! Possibly it's a rapid creation of the rules-framework that was being talked about earlier, together with a "better" appreciation of what violence and helplessness feel like the other way around, albeit delivered in a controlled manner!
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Secondly, I have (as I've admitted before) a strong hobby interest in martial arts - specifically I teach and practice a form of Jiu Jitsu.
A friend of mine runs a big Jiu Jitsu centre in Bedford - quite a severe and dangerous form of the art. Yet, the local social services refer problem kids to him, they've shown that what he teaches them is exactly what they need to calm them down, make them more sensible, and stop them being violent outside his training hall. Counter-intuitive, but damnit it works!
So, more than likely some variation on national service might work. Failing that, a few hours locked in a room with a martial arts instructor seems to do the job quite well! Possibly it's a rapid creation of the rules-framework that was being talked about earlier, together with a "better" appreciation of what violence and helplessness feel like the other way around, albeit delivered in a controlled manner!
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it's an extraordinarily complex problem with no single solution. i don't think it's about excusing or apologising for adolescent boys/young men's behaviour, it's about understanding the context in which this behaviour is taking place. yes, these kids make lousy choices about how they live their lives and they should be held responsible for those choices - but unless we acknowledge that their choices are to some extent constrained by their social, economic and cultural environments and do something to try and change that, the situation will just get worse. this isn't about being a bleeding-heart liberal, it's about understanding a basic truth that those at the bottom of the pile in a society fractured by inequality and inequity are less likely to have any investment in or commitment to that society.
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society fractured by inequality and inequity
Perhaps it might just that because this section of society has had everything handed to them on a plate that they do not understand that things have to be worked for and they assume the world owes them a living.
Crab said it best
As regards punishment? There is one form of punishment that has not been tried in this country for years, many years and that is the punishment of humiliation. Village stocks, their peers pelting them with rotten fruit, a community telling a miscreant that what they have done is wrong. I dare say this would be against their "rights" for a dignified punishment but, it's not been tried for a while and, as I am anti-capital punishment and prison/borstal doesn't seem to have much effect, might be worth a try.
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PS - I do not read any newspaper and I would say my politics are left of centre if that's any help to anyone!
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so a kid throws rocks at someone/something
do you really think putting him in the stocks is going to make him see the error of his ways? or deter him from doing it again? not a chance. if anything it will make his behaviour worse. just like prison isnt a deterrent. most offenders arent born 'bad', they behaviour is shaped by many factors.
do you really think putting him in the stocks is going to make him see the error of his ways? or deter him from doing it again? not a chance. if anything it will make his behaviour worse. just like prison isnt a deterrent. most offenders arent born 'bad', they behaviour is shaped by many factors.
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>And you have the cheek to say that this is an iniquitous society?
It's not as simple as a welfare state existing or not - see below.
and, 'each according to their need...etc' is a quote from Marx to describe the ideal communist state - hardly applicable to the UK.
Poor people with the greatest need for good health care, education, jobs, housing and transport continue to have the worst access to opportunities and services 60 years after the founding of the welfare state, according to a new assessment of 21st-century Life in Britain, co-authored by Dr Mary Shaw of the University of Bristol's Department of Social Medicine.
A series of ten analytical studies for the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, launched today at a lunch meeting at the Royal Geographical Society's Annual Conference, use data from the millennial Census to uncover the continuing 'inverse care law' whereby poor communities have the least access to essential life chances and resources.
"From that point of view, it is acutely disappointing to discover that so many opportunities and resources still depend on where people live. Wide and persisting inequality is reflected in big differences between 'rich' and 'poor' areas in terms of housing, education and health care as well as economic wealth. Perversely, people living in the poorest neighbourhoods with the greatest needs are often the least likely to have access to the services and support that would help them improve their lives and life chances."
etc.
from: http://www.bris.ac.uk/news/2005/789
It's not as simple as a welfare state existing or not - see below.
and, 'each according to their need...etc' is a quote from Marx to describe the ideal communist state - hardly applicable to the UK.
Poor people with the greatest need for good health care, education, jobs, housing and transport continue to have the worst access to opportunities and services 60 years after the founding of the welfare state, according to a new assessment of 21st-century Life in Britain, co-authored by Dr Mary Shaw of the University of Bristol's Department of Social Medicine.
A series of ten analytical studies for the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, launched today at a lunch meeting at the Royal Geographical Society's Annual Conference, use data from the millennial Census to uncover the continuing 'inverse care law' whereby poor communities have the least access to essential life chances and resources.
"From that point of view, it is acutely disappointing to discover that so many opportunities and resources still depend on where people live. Wide and persisting inequality is reflected in big differences between 'rich' and 'poor' areas in terms of housing, education and health care as well as economic wealth. Perversely, people living in the poorest neighbourhoods with the greatest needs are often the least likely to have access to the services and support that would help them improve their lives and life chances."
etc.
from: http://www.bris.ac.uk/news/2005/789
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...and your suggestion is?
I'm not denying that a babe is born sin-free and I do not believe that badness is inherent in people (unless they have some form of psychosis) BUT the factors that have created this level of behaviour can be reversed. The speed at which it is reversed may not be quick enough for society to cope with. Yes, maybe their mummy didn't hug them enough or maybe daddy didn't play footie with them enough but that doesn't solve the solution now does it?
I merely made an alternative punishment sugegestion to the hang 'em high/chop 'em off brigade with whom I do not agree!
As for this ..."so a kid throw rocks at something" ... do you fly a helicopter for a living? This is a bit more severe than throwing a stone through a neighbour's greenhouse?
Cheers
Whirls
Edited after your second post which was very quickly cut and paste from some publication.
I have no idea where you live but I live in one of the poorest areas in the country, Norfolk. It also has one of the lowest crime rates. Go figure! the "deprived" areas are not necessarily the poorest.
I'm not denying that a babe is born sin-free and I do not believe that badness is inherent in people (unless they have some form of psychosis) BUT the factors that have created this level of behaviour can be reversed. The speed at which it is reversed may not be quick enough for society to cope with. Yes, maybe their mummy didn't hug them enough or maybe daddy didn't play footie with them enough but that doesn't solve the solution now does it?
I merely made an alternative punishment sugegestion to the hang 'em high/chop 'em off brigade with whom I do not agree!
As for this ..."so a kid throw rocks at something" ... do you fly a helicopter for a living? This is a bit more severe than throwing a stone through a neighbour's greenhouse?
Cheers
Whirls
Edited after your second post which was very quickly cut and paste from some publication.
I have no idea where you live but I live in one of the poorest areas in the country, Norfolk. It also has one of the lowest crime rates. Go figure! the "deprived" areas are not necessarily the poorest.