ATPL/CPL Training: Ground School topics
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It was some time ago that I did my licencing so things may have changed but here goes. Nav Group - PPSC, Bournemouth. Good set-up. Quality instructors, didn't only teach you to pass the exam along with the self study they actually taught the subject. Technicals - Cabair, Cranfield. The instructor that I had there (Mike Burton I think his name was) was an absolute wizard, especially at electrics. He's had a few books published on the subject. His knowledge of the rest of the curriculum helped this idiot to pass on first attempt. He has left their employment now but still teaches around that area, ask around you should find someone who has used him lately. Best of Luck
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CPL Training
Can anyone give me an updated position with regard to obtaining a national or JAR CPL(H)? Is it correct that you have to do fixed wing course and exams and then an add on for helicopters? Is there any training provider likely to do a "helicopter only" course in the near future? Does such a course exist? Thanks
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Hi VSI,
If it is of any help you might take a look at
<a href="http://www.jaa.nl," target="_blank">www.jaa.nl,</a> go to JARs and click on section1.
From there you will figure it out.
I don't know where you're from but in Holland there is a flight school where you can train for a CPL helicopter WITH an instrumentrating.
As far as I know, you dont have to do a FW course
first, you just start from zero-hours.
Try it, you might even like it in Holland.
If it is of any help you might take a look at
<a href="http://www.jaa.nl," target="_blank">www.jaa.nl,</a> go to JARs and click on section1.
From there you will figure it out.
I don't know where you're from but in Holland there is a flight school where you can train for a CPL helicopter WITH an instrumentrating.
As far as I know, you dont have to do a FW course
first, you just start from zero-hours.
Try it, you might even like it in Holland.
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The info' I was given by a couple of schools in the UK, is that as most of the course is universal ( Rotary & siezed wind), that the smart money does the Fw and then the Rw is only one extra exam. This gives you more options and doesn't take a whole lot more effort.
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I have a few questions to ask about this flight school in Holland. I can't read anything on their websites because of my lack of speaking Dutch. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
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I have a few questions to ask about this flight school in Holland. I can't read anything on their websites because of my lack of speaking Dutch. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
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I just started my ground school with Bristol for the CPL(H). And yes it’s a hybrid course between the ATPL for fixed wings and the substitution of 2 exams from the old CAA papers to complete the ground school. If you need more info contact Bristol they seem to most of the facts.
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INFO ATPL, CPL(H), IR and HAI
Does anybody know if the course from HAI is ATPL? I was told it was but am not so sure! I am looking for a course and after that a job. I was told that I also need a IR for North Sea. A North Sea company told me that I get my IR when I do my type Rating exam there, does anybody know if this still works under JAA?
Thanx for the help!
Any Dutch people know some info about finance?
Thanx for the help!
Any Dutch people know some info about finance?
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G'day DIF,
If you need any info regarding ATPL(H) and IR contact Heli Holland on + 31 (0)591351251 they trained people for IR for Schreiner.
Safe Flying
. .PS what are you flying at the moment in Holland?? <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
If you need any info regarding ATPL(H) and IR contact Heli Holland on + 31 (0)591351251 they trained people for IR for Schreiner.
Safe Flying
. .PS what are you flying at the moment in Holland?? <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
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HI Off Road,
Did you train at Heli Holland, is that a ATPL course? I heared that there is no JAA course for heli in Holland yet. And how about the IR I heared that it has to be done on a two engine turbine, but they only have a one engine turbine.
At the moment I am only flying in my dreams!. .Just got my medical, now looking for finance and than find a school!
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Did you train at Heli Holland, is that a ATPL course? I heared that there is no JAA course for heli in Holland yet. And how about the IR I heared that it has to be done on a two engine turbine, but they only have a one engine turbine.
At the moment I am only flying in my dreams!. .Just got my medical, now looking for finance and than find a school!
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Have you tried lelycopters in lelystad?. .Give them a ring and see what they say:. .0320284288. .Cheers
PS Also have a look at the : So you want to be a cojoe . thread further down. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
PS Also have a look at the : So you want to be a cojoe . thread further down. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
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JAA ATPL(H) Ground School Recommendations
Wanting to do JAA ATPL(H) ground school. Holding CASA CPL(H) but means nothing to UK CAA body. Need to do several other things to get to JAA CPL(H) which is longer term plan.. .. .Anyone got any recommendations on ground providers for JAA ATPL(H) and what is involved? Discussions with other people indicate not worth doing CPL(H) ground theory.. .. .Thoughts appreciated.. .. .Whissper
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I find myself in a similar position. I hold a SA CPL(H) and now have to convert to a JAA licence to work in the UK or Europe. After many months of looking around, it seems that the best option is to do the ATPL distance learning course through one of the approved schools. There does not however seem to be any school with the approved helicopter ATPL course so you will have to do the Fixed wing theory and when it becomes available, write helo as an addition. It's ridiculous realy but that's the way the cookie crumbles. . .If there is anyone out there who knows of another way. PLEASE let us know!. .If I could at least work whilst doing the course it would ease the pain.
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As of Jan 02 nowhere semed to have a full proper ATPL(H) syllabus up and running. Reading between the lines I got the impression BGS was closest with a planned start during the first 1/4 of 2002.. .In the interim BGS are running a hybrid course. Uses fixed wing for all but the Heli priciples of flight and then Wagtendonks book for that topic. CAA have assured me (for all that at times is worth!) that all starting the hybrid course will be allowed sufficient time to finish it regardless of progress of 'proper' final course.. .I don't work with/for BGS and may be wrong in my interpretation buthave signed up with them for the hybrid course. First exams in July. Hope this doesn't add to the confusion..... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" />
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Thinking about changing from fixed to rotary.
Evening all.
I'd like a bit of advice. I'm currently an ATPL (A) and I would like to change over to the angry palmtree brigade.
Does anyone know what would be the easiest way to go about this. For instance, does my previous flying experience count in anyway, or do I have to start from scratch.
Also, what is the job market like? Is it worth me even considering spending all the money on a CPL(H)?
Finally, would a fixed wing FI rating pass across? (I doubt it.) If not, are the requirements the same in terms of hours needed to start the course, or do my fixed wing hours count?
Thanks in advance
I'd like a bit of advice. I'm currently an ATPL (A) and I would like to change over to the angry palmtree brigade.
Does anyone know what would be the easiest way to go about this. For instance, does my previous flying experience count in anyway, or do I have to start from scratch.
Also, what is the job market like? Is it worth me even considering spending all the money on a CPL(H)?
Finally, would a fixed wing FI rating pass across? (I doubt it.) If not, are the requirements the same in terms of hours needed to start the course, or do my fixed wing hours count?
Thanks in advance
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Do you get the impression no one on Rotorheads wants to answer this type of question! maybe they don't like people going from fixed to rotor. I've have a similar question on at the moment, and had one a few weeks ago, but alas no replies on any of them. At least this reply will refresh your post and keep it up there for a while, maybe someone will have answer eventually.
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We are not being unfriendly - the problem is under the new regime of JAR-FCL we don't know. In terms of prospects it is not good news either.
Under pre JAR-FCL, there was an established route for transferring either way between planks & RW. You could just look it up in CAP 53 or 54. No such luck under the new system where the CAA seem curiously reluctant to write down a comprehensive interpretation of JAR FCL for the UK. (Apparently, there is a new version of CAP 53 which deals with PPL licences)
As I read JAR FCL2, it seems to give very little credit for any plank experience or qualifications. The other place to look would be the CAA website where there are guides on how to acquire various licences.
Prospects for a new start to helicopters are less good than they were because it is more expensive to get both licences, ratings and flying experience, as a result of JAR FCL2.
You used to be able to instruct with a PPL(H) and an instructor rating - now you need a CPL(H) and (most expensively) considerably more helicopter flying time before you can instruct. Instructing is the classic way for hele pilots to gain more flying time.
The CAA impose a minimum helicopter flying time rule for CPL(H)s to fly PIC for AOC work of 700 hours, through requirements they force AOC holders to put in their Ops Manuals. Since almost all onshore helicopter flying is single crew, poor prospects for a low time helicopter pilot. Very little onshore flying is full-time employee - most is ad hoc freelance.
Offshore a low time CPL(H) used to be able to get work as a co-pilot, if the offshore companies were recruiting. Now even the co-pilot of a multi crew helicopter must have an IR. Since they cost a fortune (under JAR-FCL) this is a major problem - offshore companies are increasingly reluctant to pay for the IR themselves as they have had their fingers burnt.
However, if you really want to do it, it can be done. More smiles per mile, IMHO!
Under pre JAR-FCL, there was an established route for transferring either way between planks & RW. You could just look it up in CAP 53 or 54. No such luck under the new system where the CAA seem curiously reluctant to write down a comprehensive interpretation of JAR FCL for the UK. (Apparently, there is a new version of CAP 53 which deals with PPL licences)
As I read JAR FCL2, it seems to give very little credit for any plank experience or qualifications. The other place to look would be the CAA website where there are guides on how to acquire various licences.
Prospects for a new start to helicopters are less good than they were because it is more expensive to get both licences, ratings and flying experience, as a result of JAR FCL2.
You used to be able to instruct with a PPL(H) and an instructor rating - now you need a CPL(H) and (most expensively) considerably more helicopter flying time before you can instruct. Instructing is the classic way for hele pilots to gain more flying time.
The CAA impose a minimum helicopter flying time rule for CPL(H)s to fly PIC for AOC work of 700 hours, through requirements they force AOC holders to put in their Ops Manuals. Since almost all onshore helicopter flying is single crew, poor prospects for a low time helicopter pilot. Very little onshore flying is full-time employee - most is ad hoc freelance.
Offshore a low time CPL(H) used to be able to get work as a co-pilot, if the offshore companies were recruiting. Now even the co-pilot of a multi crew helicopter must have an IR. Since they cost a fortune (under JAR-FCL) this is a major problem - offshore companies are increasingly reluctant to pay for the IR themselves as they have had their fingers burnt.
However, if you really want to do it, it can be done. More smiles per mile, IMHO!
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Hey Say Again,
Rotory flying is the tops, once you have got into it you will realise what a freedom sort of thing it is, .. jump in with both feet there's only one thing that beats it!!!!
Rotory flying is the tops, once you have got into it you will realise what a freedom sort of thing it is, .. jump in with both feet there's only one thing that beats it!!!!