Where has the R44 thread GONE?
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PF#1,
I wonder if you would be so kind as to tell us how you got started in the world of flying Helicopters, if you would allow me to expand a little without trying to crush my question that is,
I got started pretty late in life, possibly you would say people like me should not fly, but I consider that we are all able to learn something new before we become brittle and uncaring enough not to bother, but, I paid for all my own lessons, and I further paid for all the many hours that I felt would make me able to fly as safely as I could,
I haven't had the benefit of any military service where it is quite possible to gain massive experience totally free of charge or even any financial risk whilst doing it right, or wrong.
Irrespective of your acerbic comments about the Pprune Rotorheads, I for one have asked some very difficult questions of unknown pilots and crew who spend a little of their time on this thread, I have used that information and found that most times they are absolutely spot on and in getting those sort of answers I have through this Forum seen and been able to identify many of the pitfall,s that only vast experience can teach you.
Many also know that we can all be acid tongued and act as Mr Gods left hand man, but sadly then people stop talking or passing information over.
I wish the original thread had not been pulled, for it was informative and showed the frailties of the normal human being,
Please Mr PPF#1 be kinder in your comments , lest you trip and fall onto your own sword
Peter Russell-Blackburn
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I wonder if you would be so kind as to tell us how you got started in the world of flying Helicopters, if you would allow me to expand a little without trying to crush my question that is,
I got started pretty late in life, possibly you would say people like me should not fly, but I consider that we are all able to learn something new before we become brittle and uncaring enough not to bother, but, I paid for all my own lessons, and I further paid for all the many hours that I felt would make me able to fly as safely as I could,
I haven't had the benefit of any military service where it is quite possible to gain massive experience totally free of charge or even any financial risk whilst doing it right, or wrong.
Irrespective of your acerbic comments about the Pprune Rotorheads, I for one have asked some very difficult questions of unknown pilots and crew who spend a little of their time on this thread, I have used that information and found that most times they are absolutely spot on and in getting those sort of answers I have through this Forum seen and been able to identify many of the pitfall,s that only vast experience can teach you.
Many also know that we can all be acid tongued and act as Mr Gods left hand man, but sadly then people stop talking or passing information over.
I wish the original thread had not been pulled, for it was informative and showed the frailties of the normal human being,
Please Mr PPF#1 be kinder in your comments , lest you trip and fall onto your own sword
Peter Russell-Blackburn
Vfrpilotpb (get the handle, only in good daylight viz)
a simple willing to listen Vfr pilot PPL(H)
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PPF1,
That is NOT what happened!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We don't have the thread here to verify it, so let me remind you....
Raven described precisely what occurred, what warnings he had...the clutch light coming on etc. He then told us exactly what happened. He didn't put any judgement on it, one way or the other; he just stated the facts. He didn't NEED to tell us of the warnings. He could have said it all happened suddenly. He had a golf course ahead, which represents a possible forced landing area, but he chose to turn back; well, that's his choice. Everyone walked away, due to his skill...and a certain amount of luck, yes, that's true.
Now, NO-ONE here hailed him as hero! We low hours pilots congratulated him on pulling off a forced landing that many off us weren't sure we could have done. Then Jellycopter pointed out that maybe he shouldn't have got into that position in the first place. I started to discuss press-on-itis, and the possible difficulty of calling off a commerial flight when you're not sure if there's anything seriously wrong, and no-one else thinks there is. All in all, it had the makings of an interesting discussion, one from which many of us felt we could learn.
Then what happens? YOU post. You don't just point out that an extremely experienced pilot wouldn't have taken off, which would be fine, and very useful and informative. You call people names, you put them down, you sneer at Raven and at all low hours pilots. You make a real point of mentioning your hours, and all your experience, and how you've survived, and how much more you know than the rest of us. Basically, you get on a massive ego trip and highjack the whole thread! And in doing so, you rob the rest of us of the chance of learning a great deal. Yes, that's what you did, PPF1! I don't expect you to admit it publicly; you're not big enough for that, but at least admit it to yourself!!!
I almost always try to make a point on PPRuNe of criticising the post, not the person. But I'm going to make an exception here. PPF1, I've had enough of your rudeness, your egotistical ramblings, your childishness and emotional immaturity, your attacks on others. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. Please either change (and you CAN!) or get back into retirement...and stay there!!!
Some dumb guy puts himself and his passenger(s) in a really precarious position (200 feet agl, away from the wind with no good forced-landing areas underneath him), then has the dreaded Bad Thing happen. But somehow (divine intervention?) he manages to pull off a dramatic and precarious "save." Nearly everyone hails him as a hero.
We don't have the thread here to verify it, so let me remind you....
Raven described precisely what occurred, what warnings he had...the clutch light coming on etc. He then told us exactly what happened. He didn't put any judgement on it, one way or the other; he just stated the facts. He didn't NEED to tell us of the warnings. He could have said it all happened suddenly. He had a golf course ahead, which represents a possible forced landing area, but he chose to turn back; well, that's his choice. Everyone walked away, due to his skill...and a certain amount of luck, yes, that's true.
Now, NO-ONE here hailed him as hero! We low hours pilots congratulated him on pulling off a forced landing that many off us weren't sure we could have done. Then Jellycopter pointed out that maybe he shouldn't have got into that position in the first place. I started to discuss press-on-itis, and the possible difficulty of calling off a commerial flight when you're not sure if there's anything seriously wrong, and no-one else thinks there is. All in all, it had the makings of an interesting discussion, one from which many of us felt we could learn.
Then what happens? YOU post. You don't just point out that an extremely experienced pilot wouldn't have taken off, which would be fine, and very useful and informative. You call people names, you put them down, you sneer at Raven and at all low hours pilots. You make a real point of mentioning your hours, and all your experience, and how you've survived, and how much more you know than the rest of us. Basically, you get on a massive ego trip and highjack the whole thread! And in doing so, you rob the rest of us of the chance of learning a great deal. Yes, that's what you did, PPF1! I don't expect you to admit it publicly; you're not big enough for that, but at least admit it to yourself!!!
I almost always try to make a point on PPRuNe of criticising the post, not the person. But I'm going to make an exception here. PPF1, I've had enough of your rudeness, your egotistical ramblings, your childishness and emotional immaturity, your attacks on others. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. Please either change (and you CAN!) or get back into retirement...and stay there!!!
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Oh Whirlychick. Missy, if anyone here is on an ego trip, it is most certainly YOU.
Honey, maybe no one actually came out and called Raven a hero. But you could read it fairly dripping off the sycophantic posts such as yours. "Oooooh Raven! You're so big and strong and manly! A 180 auto from 200 feet!" Oh please. The swooning and fawning were making me sick.
I admit nothing of the sort! Me, hijack the thread? Get real. All I did was add a note of reality to was was rapidly becoming a love-fest like I haven't seen since my Haight-Ashbury days in the 60's. Sheesh! And honey, if you can't/won't learn from me, then you are unlearnable. And maybe unteachable. BTW, which low-time Whirly are you?
Here it comes...
I knew it!
Well! I've certainly been told off! And by such an authority!
Tell you what, sweetie. Just don't read any of my posts, mm-kay? In fact, why don't we agree to not read each other's posts? I promise not to read another word you write. In fact, I've already begun. Oh and please get over yourself. You're just not that important to PPRUNE.
Now, on to VFRpilotpb:
No.
I've gone over it all before. Try searching my old posts if you're extremely interested/bored.
And finally, cross-eyed?
Hey, spare me your amateur psychoanalizing, willya? In fact, analyze this.
Now, NO-ONE here hailed him as hero! We low hours pilots congratulated him on pulling off a forced landing that many off us weren't sure we could have done.
Basically, you get on a massive ego trip and highjack the whole thread! And in doing so, you rob the rest of us of the chance of learning a great deal. Yes, that's what you did, PPF1! I don't expect you to admit it publicly; you're not big enough for that, but at least admit it to yourself!!!
I almost always try to make a point on PPRuNe of criticising the post, not the person.
But I'm going to make an exception here.
PPF I've had enough of your rudeness, your egotistical ramblings, your childishness and emotional immaturity, your attacks on others. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. Please either change (and you CAN!) or get back into retirement...and stay there!!!
Tell you what, sweetie. Just don't read any of my posts, mm-kay? In fact, why don't we agree to not read each other's posts? I promise not to read another word you write. In fact, I've already begun. Oh and please get over yourself. You're just not that important to PPRUNE.
Now, on to VFRpilotpb:
wonder if you would be so kind as to tell us how you got started in the world of flying Helicopters, if you would allow me to expand a little without trying to crush my question that is,
I've gone over it all before. Try searching my old posts if you're extremely interested/bored.
And finally, cross-eyed?
While you may have scared off Raven or anyone considering posting a revealing experience - and therefore a valuable safety debate - your posts offer an opportunity to discuss a more subtle factor in aviation safety - personality.
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Oh and please get over yourself. You're just not that important to PPRUNE.
. If it makes you sick FAN#1, why read it?Discussion with hindsight is fair enough, but who are we to ostracise Raven for his actions, which he kindly told us about on here for others to learn from? I'm not surprised if he did pull the other thread.
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Don't give him (or her ??) the pleasure of getting annoyed.
If any posts need pulling it's this one.
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If any posts need pulling it's this one.
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A fine of ten magnum of Champaign to the next person to enter a post on this thread.
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PPF1,
I would be entirely happy not to read any of your posts. In fact I rarely do. I know from past experience that while you know a lot about helicopter flying, you're incapable of speaking to me without being condescending, rude, aggressive, sexist, childish, and totally illogical. Your interpretation of my comments to Raven,
are just plain wrong, and are in your head, not mine. In fact, they prove what a screwed-up, bitter, nasty piece of work you really are!
So why am I reading your posts and responding to you? Because in this case I'm angry! You hijacked an extremely useful thread. It may have made YOU sick, but you'll have gathered from the posts that many of us found it useful. But you don't care about that, do you? You're far too selfish, far too stupid, and far too self-involved in your own pathetic little life to even notice what anyone thinks, or to allow that their point of view might be worthwhile. So that's why I'm reading your posts, that's why I'm complaining, and that's why I sincerely hope you go away and leave PPRuNe and never return!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But of course, you haven't read any of this, have you, so you can't reply.
I would be entirely happy not to read any of your posts. In fact I rarely do. I know from past experience that while you know a lot about helicopter flying, you're incapable of speaking to me without being condescending, rude, aggressive, sexist, childish, and totally illogical. Your interpretation of my comments to Raven,
"Oooooh Raven! You're so big and strong and manly! A 180 auto from 200 feet!"
So why am I reading your posts and responding to you? Because in this case I'm angry! You hijacked an extremely useful thread. It may have made YOU sick, but you'll have gathered from the posts that many of us found it useful. But you don't care about that, do you? You're far too selfish, far too stupid, and far too self-involved in your own pathetic little life to even notice what anyone thinks, or to allow that their point of view might be worthwhile. So that's why I'm reading your posts, that's why I'm complaining, and that's why I sincerely hope you go away and leave PPRuNe and never return!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But of course, you haven't read any of this, have you, so you can't reply.
PPF No.1, I've been observing for a while and am happy to help you out here:
You're wrong.
Whirly's right.
Raven was honest in his/her post. Many people have learned and have much to think about from what he/she had to say.
Your loudly stated opinions may reduce the chance of this happening on this forum in the future, which cannot be to the benefit of flight safety.
Further deliberately patronising and offensive posts from you don't make you any less wrong.
Hope that clarifies things for you.
You're wrong.
Whirly's right.
Raven was honest in his/her post. Many people have learned and have much to think about from what he/she had to say.
Your loudly stated opinions may reduce the chance of this happening on this forum in the future, which cannot be to the benefit of flight safety.
Further deliberately patronising and offensive posts from you don't make you any less wrong.
Hope that clarifies things for you.
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PFNo.1 - You know a lot about flying helicopters but you could learn a lot more about communicating succesfully.
Please do so beacause you made many valuble points in your original post on the R44 thread which are now lost forever because (it would seem) of your tone. The points you made do not remain to be picked up in the future by some newbie to this forum. They will not learn from an experienced pilot who felt he had to say something (and rightly so) because he could not say it without offending. Safety will not improve. All your effort was for nothing...
The points you made on their own in that thread would have made anyone who was high-fiving his/her mates because of a successful 180 auto from 200 feet snap straight back into reality. I think you were right to say the things you did between the ego, slander and sexism on the R44 thread.
No one listens to critism mixed with the above qualites because it is impossible to respect anyone who uses them - so if anyone really thinks they have a point to make it is worth removing them from it's delivery. People listen to those they respect.
Consider this to be me saying "Er, excuse me but..." to you.
Knowing that your posts seem to have led to a very good thread being deleted that could have very concievably (although impossible to prove) improved the flying and awareness of those that would have read it, would you now do anything differently on this forum?
If you think not then you are of the same breed as those pilots who were on the safety board you mentioned previously...
Please do so beacause you made many valuble points in your original post on the R44 thread which are now lost forever because (it would seem) of your tone. The points you made do not remain to be picked up in the future by some newbie to this forum. They will not learn from an experienced pilot who felt he had to say something (and rightly so) because he could not say it without offending. Safety will not improve. All your effort was for nothing...
The points you made on their own in that thread would have made anyone who was high-fiving his/her mates because of a successful 180 auto from 200 feet snap straight back into reality. I think you were right to say the things you did between the ego, slander and sexism on the R44 thread.
No one listens to critism mixed with the above qualites because it is impossible to respect anyone who uses them - so if anyone really thinks they have a point to make it is worth removing them from it's delivery. People listen to those they respect.
Consider this to be me saying "Er, excuse me but..." to you.
Knowing that your posts seem to have led to a very good thread being deleted that could have very concievably (although impossible to prove) improved the flying and awareness of those that would have read it, would you now do anything differently on this forum?
If you think not then you are of the same breed as those pilots who were on the safety board you mentioned previously...
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PPF: Now it's going really well. No doubt people want to know who you are - don't worry I won't give it all away.
But, folks, just imagine the lovechild of Liberace and Peewee Herman.
But, folks, just imagine the lovechild of Liberace and Peewee Herman.
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i find it very hard to believe a 180 auto from 200 feet in an r44 having a problem in a climb out, not even cruise flight. surely it was a partial power descent????? r44's are great in auto but ???
if you knew it was going to happen then maybe, but a surprise, i doubt it.
then again, i guess if the clutch light was still on it was not a surprise.
if you knew it was going to happen then maybe, but a surprise, i doubt it.
then again, i guess if the clutch light was still on it was not a surprise.
imabell,
I tend to agree; partial power. If you look at the full auto case it makes for some interesting maths! Not to say it was an easy exercise though.
I tend to agree; partial power. If you look at the full auto case it makes for some interesting maths! Not to say it was an easy exercise though.
