Australia: Training, Licence Conversion, Job Prospects
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Oogle thanks for the info. I also heard that CASA is going to the FAA number system (91, 61 etc...) have you heard anything about this or is it all bogus??
It seems bizzar when you have over 100 hours of night that you have to get checked out again. Same goes for there IFR rating, it seems you need a rating for everything.
But so be it, if that is what it takes. Interesting to see there is no shortage of Heli pilots there, compared to here in the U.S. hopefully that will change
It seems bizzar when you have over 100 hours of night that you have to get checked out again. Same goes for there IFR rating, it seems you need a rating for everything.
But so be it, if that is what it takes. Interesting to see there is no shortage of Heli pilots there, compared to here in the U.S. hopefully that will change
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Aussie Pilot Pay?
With all the cost involved in coverting a FAA CPL to CASA CPL, does the average pilot pay justify the cost? What is the normal range of pay for pilots flying in Aussie land? Thanks.
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CASA is transitioning into the CASR's (Civil Aviation Safety Regulations) which will replace/incorporate the Civil Aviation Regulations.
If you have 100 hours night experience you are able to attempt the flight test straight away. Aus requires 10 hours dual night instruction before attaempting a flight test for the granting of a Night VFR rating. If you have already done this in the US (I would assume you have), you meet the requirements. There may even be a chance that CASA may recognise your US night VFR rating and issue you one on your Aus licence.
A couple of other differences between the US and Aus system is that type ratings require a minimum number of dual instructional hours before being "qualified" on that aircraft type. This is not a rating and does not need a flight test. It is up to the instructor to deem you qualified.
Look at http://www.casa.gov.au/rules/orders/040.htm for the requirements for all ratings and aircraft endorsements.
Hope it helps.
CASA is transitioning into the CASR's (Civil Aviation Safety Regulations) which will replace/incorporate the Civil Aviation Regulations.
If you have 100 hours night experience you are able to attempt the flight test straight away. Aus requires 10 hours dual night instruction before attaempting a flight test for the granting of a Night VFR rating. If you have already done this in the US (I would assume you have), you meet the requirements. There may even be a chance that CASA may recognise your US night VFR rating and issue you one on your Aus licence.
A couple of other differences between the US and Aus system is that type ratings require a minimum number of dual instructional hours before being "qualified" on that aircraft type. This is not a rating and does not need a flight test. It is up to the instructor to deem you qualified.
Look at http://www.casa.gov.au/rules/orders/040.htm for the requirements for all ratings and aircraft endorsements.
Hope it helps.
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CASA is transitioning into the CASR's (Civil Aviation Safety Regulations) which will replace/incorporate the Civil Aviation Regulations.
If you have 100 hours night experience you are able to attempt the flight test straight away. Aus requires 10 hours dual night instruction before attaempting a flight test for the granting of a Night VFR rating. If you have already done this in the US (I would assume you have), you meet the requirements. There may even be a chance that CASA may recognise your US night VFR rating and issue you one on your Aus licence.
A couple of other differences between the US and Aus system is that type ratings require a minimum number of dual instructional hours before being "qualified" on that aircraft type. This is not a rating and does not need a flight test. It is up to the instructor to deem you qualified.
Look at http://www.casa.gov.au/rules/orders/040.htm for the requirements for all ratings and aircraft endorsements.
Hope it helps.
CASA is transitioning into the CASR's (Civil Aviation Safety Regulations) which will replace/incorporate the Civil Aviation Regulations.
If you have 100 hours night experience you are able to attempt the flight test straight away. Aus requires 10 hours dual night instruction before attaempting a flight test for the granting of a Night VFR rating. If you have already done this in the US (I would assume you have), you meet the requirements. There may even be a chance that CASA may recognise your US night VFR rating and issue you one on your Aus licence.
A couple of other differences between the US and Aus system is that type ratings require a minimum number of dual instructional hours before being "qualified" on that aircraft type. This is not a rating and does not need a flight test. It is up to the instructor to deem you qualified.
Look at http://www.casa.gov.au/rules/orders/040.htm for the requirements for all ratings and aircraft endorsements.
Hope it helps.
Aussie jobs @ 14 July 2006
Aussie jobs – 14 Jul 06
After a somewhat quiet time for a few weeks, probably due to end if financial year activity the HQ of most companies, a national newspaper today has some interesting jobs across the aviation spectrum.
In brief;
Bell 412 engineer – Jakarta based – Air Fast Indonesia
Aeronautical, mechanical and avionics engineers – overseas, then Brisbane, heavy transport and heavy helicopter – Australian Aerospace
Instructor R44 – casual for 6 weeks location TBA – Kosciusko Helicoptersr
Engineering Manager / SDE – Sikorsky – Brisbane – Helitech
Co-pilots – S-76, Bass Strait – Helicopters (Australia)
Aircrewman Instructor – Bell 412 and HUET – Careflight Queensland.
Co-pilots – AS332 and B412 – Australia - CHC (Australia)
CAR 35 Aeronautical Engineer – Sikorsky – Brisbane – Helitech
Aircrew persons – Australia wide appointments – CHC (Australia)
Operations manager/pilot - R44, AS350 & B206. – Gold Coast – Gold Coast Helitours.
Engine and airframe engineers – Australia and Timor based – CHC (Australia)
Training Developer – ARH Tiger – Oakey, Qld – KBR
Helicopter pilots – AS332 and B412 – Australia - CHC (Australia)
Naval Aviation Maintenance Contract Manager – Nowra, NSW – DMO
Also you may be aware of the Request For Tender issued by the Army for a civilian company to take over training of military pilots and aircrewmen. This is a really big contract and has been covered on another PPRuNe thread. It will have a big impact on the Australasian industry in the latter half of 2007.
Have a great weekend…
PM if you want any further info
After a somewhat quiet time for a few weeks, probably due to end if financial year activity the HQ of most companies, a national newspaper today has some interesting jobs across the aviation spectrum.
In brief;
Bell 412 engineer – Jakarta based – Air Fast Indonesia
Aeronautical, mechanical and avionics engineers – overseas, then Brisbane, heavy transport and heavy helicopter – Australian Aerospace
Instructor R44 – casual for 6 weeks location TBA – Kosciusko Helicoptersr
Engineering Manager / SDE – Sikorsky – Brisbane – Helitech
Co-pilots – S-76, Bass Strait – Helicopters (Australia)
Aircrewman Instructor – Bell 412 and HUET – Careflight Queensland.
Co-pilots – AS332 and B412 – Australia - CHC (Australia)
CAR 35 Aeronautical Engineer – Sikorsky – Brisbane – Helitech
Aircrew persons – Australia wide appointments – CHC (Australia)
Operations manager/pilot - R44, AS350 & B206. – Gold Coast – Gold Coast Helitours.
Engine and airframe engineers – Australia and Timor based – CHC (Australia)
Training Developer – ARH Tiger – Oakey, Qld – KBR
Helicopter pilots – AS332 and B412 – Australia - CHC (Australia)
Naval Aviation Maintenance Contract Manager – Nowra, NSW – DMO
Also you may be aware of the Request For Tender issued by the Army for a civilian company to take over training of military pilots and aircrewmen. This is a really big contract and has been covered on another PPRuNe thread. It will have a big impact on the Australasian industry in the latter half of 2007.
Have a great weekend…
PM if you want any further info
Australian Job Updates – 21 July 2006
Just an update today from an Australian newspaper. I will reformat the listing into the popular business jargon – the dreaded SWOT analysis. So here goes:
Strengths
1. Equipment: The order book for most distributors shows a healthy back log over the next year. Production delays are common due to the higher world demand. The CASA register again shows growth which is following the predicted trend. All segments of the industry, including the heavy turbine group show indications of growth.
2. Economy: The Australian economy is still steaming ahead, despite the oil crisis. In fact, unemployment has fallen to an almost record of 4.9%. We are being effected by our Asian neighbours where the growth rates are making the Europeans nervous. The Reserve bank may put up interest rates to slow things in the coming months. The low unemployment rate actually creates a weakness for us, as people are being attracter to more “profitable” workplaces away from avaition.
3: Mustering industry: These people make up about 40% of the industry. They fly more hours than all others combined. Any change here has a big influence on our industry. Operators are suggesting the season was late starting due to the cyclones (hurricanes) that ran across our north earlier this year. This has reduced the available time for their work, resulting in high flying rates. They seem confident that there is plenty of work as the beef prices are high; despite the US entering the Japanese market once again.
Weaknesses
3. Engineers: The looming engineer shortage has been mentioned before. As our fleet gets more “technical”, we need more high tech engineers. All Australian industries are suffering from shortages, and overseas people are being recruited to provide workers across all industries.
4. Pilots: There is a well debated oversupply in the low end of the market; however, the shortages in the middle level are continuing. The lack of IFR qualified people for co-pilots has caused problems for some.
Training
5. The training industry is doing well, with high intakes. Competition from other industries, especially when pay is considered, means that some high flyers we need to ensure our growth is managed well in the long term, are probably running a non aviation commercial business in your neighbourhood.
6. Further, we need better training of managers and especially Chief Pilot/Engineers – a CASA project?
7. IFR facilities continue to lag. At present your can obtain IFR training at Hobart (Rotor Lift), Melbourne (Mangalore) at Kestrel and Brisbane (Caloundra) at Chopperline. Some have simulators. IREX is also available at many FW schools. But the cost of a RW CIR is very painful – and yet the industry needs these graduates – maybe an HAA project here? (Government sponsorship).
Opportunities
We mentioned last week of the pending effect of the recent military training contract put to the civilians by the Army. In our listing today we see the beginning of this process which will have a dramatic effect on our industry over the 18 months. See Boeing.
Pilots:
Line and training pilots for EC130, EC135, A109, B412 and AW139. Adu Dhabi, Falcon Aviation Services.
Engineers:
Bell 412 engineers. Tours to Indonesia. PT Airfast Indonesia
ARH Tiger Training Systems Support Engineer and ARH Tiger AMEs (Avionics) – Brisbane. Australian Aerospace.
AMEs and LAMEs – Twelve Australian positions. www.macrorecruitment.
Hydraulics Technician and Metal Machinist – Helitech, Brisbane. www.helitech.com.au
Quality Auditor, Defence Workshop – Oakey, Qld. Helitech
LAME, Airframe & Engines – Sydney, NSW. Dale on (02) 9791 0322 Company??
Licensed and unlicensed engineers – Adu Dhabi, Falcon Aviation Services.
LAME, Airframes and Engines. Melbourne. Rotor Services.
Ground support:
Ground crew and managers:
Customer Accounts Manager. Brisbane. Pratt & Whitney Canada A’Asia.
Ground crew and Operations Support Staff for EC130, EC135, A109, B412 and AW139. Adu Dhabi, Falcon Aviation Services
Military support projects:
Boeing requests expression of interest for the following positions at Oakey, Qld:
Pilots, instructors and loadmasters
Trades and maintenance
Planning and data management
Training – flying and technical trade.
More info: www.boeing.com.au
Threats
Our industry cannot ignore the expansion that is happening within the airline industry. They can steal our engineers and attract young people to the higher paid airline jobs. Domestic airlines started to expand in 2003, and last twelve months saw a growth of 10%pa in passengers, the last year being a record. The overseas airlines in our region saw a 12% growth in passengers, and a slower fleet expansion. The Asian region now has 25% of the world airline traffic. Recent orders for Asian airlines are near 1,000!! So we can see some poaching going on here.
Salaries: The unbelievable and somewhat historical concept that we fly for the love of it and accept peanuts in return will strangle us in the long term. We are now a profession and pending shortages will require some astute mangers. We really must pay our people in accordance with other industries and the client has to pay for the service. (This is a very sensitive topic for some – but we cannot keep our heads in the sand forever!)
Fuel prices: Do I have to say more – choppers are gas guzzlers – all that profile drag!
Hope this helps – see you here next week.
Strengths
1. Equipment: The order book for most distributors shows a healthy back log over the next year. Production delays are common due to the higher world demand. The CASA register again shows growth which is following the predicted trend. All segments of the industry, including the heavy turbine group show indications of growth.
2. Economy: The Australian economy is still steaming ahead, despite the oil crisis. In fact, unemployment has fallen to an almost record of 4.9%. We are being effected by our Asian neighbours where the growth rates are making the Europeans nervous. The Reserve bank may put up interest rates to slow things in the coming months. The low unemployment rate actually creates a weakness for us, as people are being attracter to more “profitable” workplaces away from avaition.
3: Mustering industry: These people make up about 40% of the industry. They fly more hours than all others combined. Any change here has a big influence on our industry. Operators are suggesting the season was late starting due to the cyclones (hurricanes) that ran across our north earlier this year. This has reduced the available time for their work, resulting in high flying rates. They seem confident that there is plenty of work as the beef prices are high; despite the US entering the Japanese market once again.
Weaknesses
3. Engineers: The looming engineer shortage has been mentioned before. As our fleet gets more “technical”, we need more high tech engineers. All Australian industries are suffering from shortages, and overseas people are being recruited to provide workers across all industries.
4. Pilots: There is a well debated oversupply in the low end of the market; however, the shortages in the middle level are continuing. The lack of IFR qualified people for co-pilots has caused problems for some.
Training
5. The training industry is doing well, with high intakes. Competition from other industries, especially when pay is considered, means that some high flyers we need to ensure our growth is managed well in the long term, are probably running a non aviation commercial business in your neighbourhood.
6. Further, we need better training of managers and especially Chief Pilot/Engineers – a CASA project?
7. IFR facilities continue to lag. At present your can obtain IFR training at Hobart (Rotor Lift), Melbourne (Mangalore) at Kestrel and Brisbane (Caloundra) at Chopperline. Some have simulators. IREX is also available at many FW schools. But the cost of a RW CIR is very painful – and yet the industry needs these graduates – maybe an HAA project here? (Government sponsorship).
Opportunities
We mentioned last week of the pending effect of the recent military training contract put to the civilians by the Army. In our listing today we see the beginning of this process which will have a dramatic effect on our industry over the 18 months. See Boeing.
Pilots:
Line and training pilots for EC130, EC135, A109, B412 and AW139. Adu Dhabi, Falcon Aviation Services.
Engineers:
Bell 412 engineers. Tours to Indonesia. PT Airfast Indonesia
ARH Tiger Training Systems Support Engineer and ARH Tiger AMEs (Avionics) – Brisbane. Australian Aerospace.
AMEs and LAMEs – Twelve Australian positions. www.macrorecruitment.
Hydraulics Technician and Metal Machinist – Helitech, Brisbane. www.helitech.com.au
Quality Auditor, Defence Workshop – Oakey, Qld. Helitech
LAME, Airframe & Engines – Sydney, NSW. Dale on (02) 9791 0322 Company??
Licensed and unlicensed engineers – Adu Dhabi, Falcon Aviation Services.
LAME, Airframes and Engines. Melbourne. Rotor Services.
Ground support:
Ground crew and managers:
Customer Accounts Manager. Brisbane. Pratt & Whitney Canada A’Asia.
Ground crew and Operations Support Staff for EC130, EC135, A109, B412 and AW139. Adu Dhabi, Falcon Aviation Services
Military support projects:
Boeing requests expression of interest for the following positions at Oakey, Qld:
Pilots, instructors and loadmasters
Trades and maintenance
Planning and data management
Training – flying and technical trade.
More info: www.boeing.com.au
Threats
Our industry cannot ignore the expansion that is happening within the airline industry. They can steal our engineers and attract young people to the higher paid airline jobs. Domestic airlines started to expand in 2003, and last twelve months saw a growth of 10%pa in passengers, the last year being a record. The overseas airlines in our region saw a 12% growth in passengers, and a slower fleet expansion. The Asian region now has 25% of the world airline traffic. Recent orders for Asian airlines are near 1,000!! So we can see some poaching going on here.
Salaries: The unbelievable and somewhat historical concept that we fly for the love of it and accept peanuts in return will strangle us in the long term. We are now a profession and pending shortages will require some astute mangers. We really must pay our people in accordance with other industries and the client has to pay for the service. (This is a very sensitive topic for some – but we cannot keep our heads in the sand forever!)
Fuel prices: Do I have to say more – choppers are gas guzzlers – all that profile drag!
Hope this helps – see you here next week.
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I wonder who the editor of the Australian is at the moment, someone might know him??
While Rob is away for a week get him to run a real blinder next week for Rob to report on.
While Rob is away for a week get him to run a real blinder next week for Rob to report on.
Congratulations Topendtorque – you have now closed this topic!
Congratulations Topendtorque – you have now closed this topic!
As you are aware PPRuNe has a very strict policy on “no advertising”, which I respect and follow to the letter. Problem was how do we get the job listings out to the PPRuNE readers without breaching this very fair and sensible rule?
The moderator agreed that if I did not name the newspaper and said “an Australian newspaper” and there are dozens; then I could provide a “heads up” on what was being advertised, the locations and the company, in a simple format. So I began this topic within this thread. The rush of PM made me realize that people wanted more information as to the state play at a particular time, that is now and the future?
For example, the pending Army contracts to civilian organizations to take over the military training is a major boost to our industry, but people want to know how this will effect them over the next 18 months, as this friendly monster gets up and running.
Accordingly I used my own comments in the last post to lead into the job listings. Where does my information come from you may ask? Four decades in both the military, government and civilian industry in Australia and overseas. 18 years as the owner of Heli-News (now sold), twenty years as an HAA member and four as President (recently resigned), attending a dozen overseas and local trade shows and run about half a dozen here. Also, I am in constant contact with pilots, engineers, managers, regulators and safety people. All of them offer advice and I sort it all out as best I can.
I travel widely in Australasia and have trained 2500 civilian aircrew and 400 military on theory based courses, in the past seven years, etc
So I reckon I have got some idea of where our mob are heading. Only by collecting the opinions of those I meet along the way.
Now lets talk about you Topendtorque?
What are you afraid of? Why do you snipe at anyone who has a positive attitude? Are you afraid someone will challenge you in your career stream? Do you feel inadequate?
Why all the dumping of crap on those who are trying to give back something to the younger guys in an industry that has been kind to us all – including you – in good times and bad?
I accept that it your right to bag people, it is good fun, makes you feel good – for awhile.
But what can you give back to your peers or the industry; what are you doing to make it a better place – to handle the Asian expansion and the oil search operations that take four years to start.
What will you suggest we do if we have a case of mad cow disease and the world drops our beef industry cold??
So what are to doing to make things better, except push away all those who want to pass on helpful information; and turn people away from PPruNe as they grow tired of the teenager with PMT style of vindictive behaviour towards others.
Well done Topendtorque go sludge someone else, you have closed down this topic before Heliport needs to get out his scissors and carry out his rightful role.
Bye all……..
PS: If anyone wants next weeks update, looking at the five years sales figures in Australia and New Zealand and the interesting trends, then please PM me and I will send it to you. Also, week after next I will run down the helicopter award and you can see if you are being paid peanuts or pounds.
As you are aware PPRuNe has a very strict policy on “no advertising”, which I respect and follow to the letter. Problem was how do we get the job listings out to the PPRuNE readers without breaching this very fair and sensible rule?
The moderator agreed that if I did not name the newspaper and said “an Australian newspaper” and there are dozens; then I could provide a “heads up” on what was being advertised, the locations and the company, in a simple format. So I began this topic within this thread. The rush of PM made me realize that people wanted more information as to the state play at a particular time, that is now and the future?
For example, the pending Army contracts to civilian organizations to take over the military training is a major boost to our industry, but people want to know how this will effect them over the next 18 months, as this friendly monster gets up and running.
Accordingly I used my own comments in the last post to lead into the job listings. Where does my information come from you may ask? Four decades in both the military, government and civilian industry in Australia and overseas. 18 years as the owner of Heli-News (now sold), twenty years as an HAA member and four as President (recently resigned), attending a dozen overseas and local trade shows and run about half a dozen here. Also, I am in constant contact with pilots, engineers, managers, regulators and safety people. All of them offer advice and I sort it all out as best I can.
I travel widely in Australasia and have trained 2500 civilian aircrew and 400 military on theory based courses, in the past seven years, etc
So I reckon I have got some idea of where our mob are heading. Only by collecting the opinions of those I meet along the way.
Now lets talk about you Topendtorque?
What are you afraid of? Why do you snipe at anyone who has a positive attitude? Are you afraid someone will challenge you in your career stream? Do you feel inadequate?
Why all the dumping of crap on those who are trying to give back something to the younger guys in an industry that has been kind to us all – including you – in good times and bad?
I accept that it your right to bag people, it is good fun, makes you feel good – for awhile.
But what can you give back to your peers or the industry; what are you doing to make it a better place – to handle the Asian expansion and the oil search operations that take four years to start.
What will you suggest we do if we have a case of mad cow disease and the world drops our beef industry cold??
So what are to doing to make things better, except push away all those who want to pass on helpful information; and turn people away from PPruNe as they grow tired of the teenager with PMT style of vindictive behaviour towards others.
Well done Topendtorque go sludge someone else, you have closed down this topic before Heliport needs to get out his scissors and carry out his rightful role.
Bye all……..
PS: If anyone wants next weeks update, looking at the five years sales figures in Australia and New Zealand and the interesting trends, then please PM me and I will send it to you. Also, week after next I will run down the helicopter award and you can see if you are being paid peanuts or pounds.
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Hi Rob of the not so Rich Humor;
Joke mate! Laugh you stupid turkey.
Call me a bastard or anything, if you like
except late for tea.
Long time since I was teenager,
in either years or k's of hours,
done plenty , helped plenty.
Said all I need with regard to the
nobility and purpose of your pilots clubs.
Go back and have a read.
Taa-Taa, TET
Joke mate! Laugh you stupid turkey.
Call me a bastard or anything, if you like
except late for tea.
Long time since I was teenager,
in either years or k's of hours,
done plenty , helped plenty.
Said all I need with regard to the
nobility and purpose of your pilots clubs.
Go back and have a read.
Taa-Taa, TET
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Originally Posted by robsrich
7. IFR facilities continue to lag. At present your can obtain IFR training at Hobart (Rotor Lift), Melbourne (Mangalore) at Kestrel and Brisbane (Caloundra) at Chopperline. Some have simulators
may not know but The Helicopter Group (MB) also has an IFR training school and access to an approved helicopter based FTD.
Cheers
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Rob - Suggest you take a chill pill on this one.
I know who Top End Torque is and he is someone who has given a LOT of younger pilots a break in this industry, more so than the Army or QES or any other of your previous employers.
While I think your promotion of the industry is admirable be careful who you have a go at, as some of these guys have put a lot back into the industry and have never asked for any recognition for what they have done.
A lot of people do what they can for the industry in their own particular ways, some in front of the media saying look what we have done, others behind the scenes in a quietly quietly manner. All have to be respected for what they do. One way is not better than the other, they all help the industry.
On a personal note TOT has a right to be bitter and twisted on some things (no offence TOT
) as he has been shafted by a few in this industry. Just remember take a lot of the posts here with a grain of salt and all will be right. 
Ned
I know who Top End Torque is and he is someone who has given a LOT of younger pilots a break in this industry, more so than the Army or QES or any other of your previous employers.
While I think your promotion of the industry is admirable be careful who you have a go at, as some of these guys have put a lot back into the industry and have never asked for any recognition for what they have done.
A lot of people do what they can for the industry in their own particular ways, some in front of the media saying look what we have done, others behind the scenes in a quietly quietly manner. All have to be respected for what they do. One way is not better than the other, they all help the industry.
On a personal note TOT has a right to be bitter and twisted on some things (no offence TOT
) as he has been shafted by a few in this industry. Just remember take a lot of the posts here with a grain of salt and all will be right. Ned
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I'm in a similar situation. Around 500hrs and looking for a opportunity. The pay situation is similar all over the country. Previously I was on 23000 for the charters and scenics. Just the way the industry is at the moment. Anyone have any idea's what would be the next step for me?
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Good flying schools near Brisbane?
I am currently living in Hong Kong, have a FAA PPL(H) and want to get my Australian CPL(H) - sounds like a tri-nations tournment.
Anyway can anyone recommend a professionally run flight school near Brisbane? Although I am getting this for fun, I hate being buggered about by disorganised flight schools.
From the web I have found Becker Helicopters - good/bad/indifferent?
All thoughts, particularly useful ones, appreciated.
Anyway can anyone recommend a professionally run flight school near Brisbane? Although I am getting this for fun, I hate being buggered about by disorganised flight schools.
From the web I have found Becker Helicopters - good/bad/indifferent?
All thoughts, particularly useful ones, appreciated.
I have 6000+ hours on twins IFR offshore and looking to move to Oz soon, what job prospects lie down under. 3000 hours PIC with a JAA ATPL(H) and only in my mid 30s. Married to an Australian citizen so no need for company sponsership. What ca expect in the way of pay, pensions and rosters. Answers on a postcard please. ITI 
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CREDENTIAL lets do it
september 2006 ,page 42 in a quality news on the australian helicopter industry magazine says quote : Fully accredited and WITH 532 SUCCESSFUL STUDENTS .
Surely the credibility of such a flight school and the man with these numbers must be creditable or credulous, if there is such any credibility gap of evidence to conflict with this
Men and Women take aim and fire at will
Surely the credibility of such a flight school and the man with these numbers must be creditable or credulous, if there is such any credibility gap of evidence to conflict with this
Men and Women take aim and fire at will