Australia: Training, Licence Conversion, Job Prospects
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Again would definately second Kestrel for someone looking to get their IFR, everyone seems only to have good experiences and good things to say about the place and people.
Rex is very good by the way very very experienced and very little sems to bother him, even when you start to screw up which im sure you will do!
Recomended by me again.
Just a heads up, check on availability of the 206, its sometimes out being cross hired for lenghts of time.
Good luck!
Rex is very good by the way very very experienced and very little sems to bother him, even when you start to screw up which im sure you will do!
Recomended by me again.
Just a heads up, check on availability of the 206, its sometimes out being cross hired for lenghts of time.
Good luck!
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Mike
As Mr Selfish says, your FW CIR will alleviate 20 hours of IFR dual instruction. You will just need to do 20 hours dual on a helicopter - this doesn't have to be an IFR helicopter!!! The test must be done on an IFR certified aircraft.
I know it is tough (financially) but if you can, bypass the single engine IFR route. It is a waste of money if you intend to get an IFR position. The ME IFR route will give you much more of a chance for employment and it covers SE.
Give me a yell and I will do the flight test for you!!
As Mr Selfish says, your FW CIR will alleviate 20 hours of IFR dual instruction. You will just need to do 20 hours dual on a helicopter - this doesn't have to be an IFR helicopter!!! The test must be done on an IFR certified aircraft.
I know it is tough (financially) but if you can, bypass the single engine IFR route. It is a waste of money if you intend to get an IFR position. The ME IFR route will give you much more of a chance for employment and it covers SE.
Give me a yell and I will do the flight test for you!!
Thanks MS, Oogle and co. Yes, my intention was to do ME from the start.
I guess if you can do 20 of the 40 hours in a Sim, there is not much point in doing them in a FW? 20 hrs Sim plus 20 hours ME helicopter, and flight test, this is correct?
I currently get regular check outs on IFR and ILS approaches incase of inadvertant IMC, this is conducted at night under a half covered cockpit, in the 427, but this is not an IFR certified helicopter although it is fully equipped as such, less an autopilot. Unfortunately there is no way to do a flight test in it!
Thanks for the replies. BM
I guess if you can do 20 of the 40 hours in a Sim, there is not much point in doing them in a FW? 20 hrs Sim plus 20 hours ME helicopter, and flight test, this is correct?
I currently get regular check outs on IFR and ILS approaches incase of inadvertant IMC, this is conducted at night under a half covered cockpit, in the 427, but this is not an IFR certified helicopter although it is fully equipped as such, less an autopilot. Unfortunately there is no way to do a flight test in it!
Thanks for the replies. BM
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Mike
With a FW IR you won't have to do the 20 hours of sim. This would have been already covered with your FW IFR training. All you need to do is the 20 hours in the category of aircraft (ie. helicopter).
With a FW IR you won't have to do the 20 hours of sim. This would have been already covered with your FW IFR training. All you need to do is the 20 hours in the category of aircraft (ie. helicopter).
Thanks once again MS and Oogle. While I have a FW licence, I don't have an IR so thats what I meant by the 20 hours in the Sim.
Looking at it then, the cheapest option seems to be: 20 hrs Sim + 20 hrs piston single + flight test in ME. I guess this means a rating on a BK or 109. What is the average cost in Oz for one of these at the moment?
Cheers BigMike
Looking at it then, the cheapest option seems to be: 20 hrs Sim + 20 hrs piston single + flight test in ME. I guess this means a rating on a BK or 109. What is the average cost in Oz for one of these at the moment?
Cheers BigMike
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BM - I will swop you my CIR for your job.
Thanks MS. Which ever way I do it, it is going to be pricey I guess.
I might be in North America latter this year so will do some research on the cost there.
Any US or Canadian pilots done this recently?
Cheers BigMike
I might be in North America latter this year so will do some research on the cost there.
Any US or Canadian pilots done this recently?
Cheers BigMike
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Big Mike, Mr Selfish is right. The BK is a bigger machine and requires a minimum of 10 hours for the isue of a type rating.
I could be wrong... it does happen from time to time. I am fairly sure though that only the A109 and the AS355 fit the 5 hour type rating.
Theres one or two A109 in VIC... I would have thought the hourly rate was closer to $3000 than $2500... look on the web. Theres another one or two others around Auz, QLD for one. PM me or Selfish if you want the inside on that one.
Try ringing Ray at Kestrel, hes just redone his ME-IFR testing priveledges and he may have an idea or two as to a suitable machine.
good luck with it
I could be wrong... it does happen from time to time. I am fairly sure though that only the A109 and the AS355 fit the 5 hour type rating.
Theres one or two A109 in VIC... I would have thought the hourly rate was closer to $3000 than $2500... look on the web. Theres another one or two others around Auz, QLD for one. PM me or Selfish if you want the inside on that one.
Try ringing Ray at Kestrel, hes just redone his ME-IFR testing priveledges and he may have an idea or two as to a suitable machine.
good luck with it
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[B]Big Mike
The FAA IFR program is as follows:
40 hrs TT which can be 30 hrs in approved FAA sim and 10 hrs in R44 plus 35 hrs ground school.
Takes about 1 month to complete, cost is USD 8380
I enquired about it in Hawaii and can pm u the school name if you wish. Some of my Oz and Kiwi mates went there. You can get your CASA license validated to an FAA PPL by the local FAA inspector. It will require your license to be verified prior to your arrival in the US (takes about 5 weeks or so to receive your confirmation letter) then do a security check, finger printing etc, cost about USD130
Anyway cheaper than Oz. You can also build IFR time in a C172 for USD135/hr
Cheers
The FAA IFR program is as follows:
40 hrs TT which can be 30 hrs in approved FAA sim and 10 hrs in R44 plus 35 hrs ground school.
Takes about 1 month to complete, cost is USD 8380
I enquired about it in Hawaii and can pm u the school name if you wish. Some of my Oz and Kiwi mates went there. You can get your CASA license validated to an FAA PPL by the local FAA inspector. It will require your license to be verified prior to your arrival in the US (takes about 5 weeks or so to receive your confirmation letter) then do a security check, finger printing etc, cost about USD130
Anyway cheaper than Oz. You can also build IFR time in a C172 for USD135/hr
Cheers
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Aussie helo industry to double in 6 years
G'day,
I saw on the news a few weeks ago that the heli industry in Oz was supposed to double in size over the next 6 years. Given that most jobs i see advertised these days seem to require pilots with quite large numbers of captain and total hours, where do you see this injection of experience coming from? If these hours requirements are being set due to insurance companies and their policies, can they still be lowered in order to meet an increased demand for pilots?
I saw on the news a few weeks ago that the heli industry in Oz was supposed to double in size over the next 6 years. Given that most jobs i see advertised these days seem to require pilots with quite large numbers of captain and total hours, where do you see this injection of experience coming from? If these hours requirements are being set due to insurance companies and their policies, can they still be lowered in order to meet an increased demand for pilots?
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same **** different day
probably the same article that keeps resurfacing in various mediums.
many have commented that they cannot see the numbers, though I hope & wait, but being at the wrong end of the spectrum i might as well have smoked it all.
where indeed.
many have commented that they cannot see the numbers, though I hope & wait, but being at the wrong end of the spectrum i might as well have smoked it all.
where indeed.
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ggg
you're right it surfaces often from the same author usually without qualification.
numbers have increased for sure and a quick tally of bent units behind the hangers will reveal that there are not that many extra flying around, but a quick run down of the diff cats might be as follows;
Mustering, where before there was bulk hours during the disease eradication programs, individual pilots now do not do much more than half per year than before. lots of those guys at about 1500 hours are going O/S, canada esp.
EMS, well they are a different breed and being talked about in a diff thread, they destroy 'em as quick as they come in.
Off shore is the one to watch, now that the Timor boundary dispute has been settled there'll be a bit there and sunrise field which is huge hasn't even started yet.
On shore min-ex is another to watch as it is increasing reasonably rapidly due mainly to the fact that finally there are some movements with native title agreements - and lucrative markets for metals.
Fires, well ho-hum it will be interesting to see if the greenies are ever controlled so as preventative burn offs can occur, that will reduce this activity quite some.
Military are faily static except for the new attack machines
Cops and robbers , they are shooting each other or the bloody rabbits or the crims in melbourne or something but hell lead is flyin' everwhere down there!
Private stuff is increasing, hey it's a lucky country every one has loot to burn, Frank is the big winner there.
Tourism also is slowly climbing, and transitioning to turbines.
Just north, new guinea seems to be on another riser
I might have missed abit but that's what I see
numbers have increased for sure and a quick tally of bent units behind the hangers will reveal that there are not that many extra flying around, but a quick run down of the diff cats might be as follows;
Mustering, where before there was bulk hours during the disease eradication programs, individual pilots now do not do much more than half per year than before. lots of those guys at about 1500 hours are going O/S, canada esp.
EMS, well they are a different breed and being talked about in a diff thread, they destroy 'em as quick as they come in.
Off shore is the one to watch, now that the Timor boundary dispute has been settled there'll be a bit there and sunrise field which is huge hasn't even started yet.
On shore min-ex is another to watch as it is increasing reasonably rapidly due mainly to the fact that finally there are some movements with native title agreements - and lucrative markets for metals.
Fires, well ho-hum it will be interesting to see if the greenies are ever controlled so as preventative burn offs can occur, that will reduce this activity quite some.
Military are faily static except for the new attack machines
Cops and robbers , they are shooting each other or the bloody rabbits or the crims in melbourne or something but hell lead is flyin' everwhere down there!
Private stuff is increasing, hey it's a lucky country every one has loot to burn, Frank is the big winner there.
Tourism also is slowly climbing, and transitioning to turbines.
Just north, new guinea seems to be on another riser
I might have missed abit but that's what I see
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Care to elaborate on your (condescending) comments re EMS? How many have we "destroyed"? EMS, in Aus at least, is highly professional and generally well risk-managed. The addition of NVG will increase this safety in what is a potentially risky region of the industsry, but what leads you to say we destroy 'em as soon as they come in?
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There is not and never will be a shortage of pilots. There may however, be a lack of experienced pilots. Hour requirements are set by a mixture of insurance companies and operators, by varying premiums and excess. Its not just the insurance companies to blame. At the moment there would be enough pilots (not flying) in Australia and New Zealand to cover the predicted boom in both countries.
TopEndTorque... you hit the nail on the head.... sounds pretty right to me... depends from where you sit, but people have a very biased and 1-sided view of the helios, and which company they work for.... move around, and one will see how different it is, and how we are lacking to expand in the future.... especially with limited engineering staff, and waiting to get jobs done.
Topendtorque, interesting summary.
Are the mustering guys getting jobs in Canada with 1500 hrs in an R22, and no turbine or mountain time? Not taking the mickey, just interested.
Are the mustering guys getting jobs in Canada with 1500 hrs in an R22, and no turbine or mountain time? Not taking the mickey, just interested.