QUESTION for Moderator
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QUESTION for Moderator
Is it your personal policy to shut down a thread without offering any explanation whatsoever as to why you are doing it ?
I would have thought good manners would dictate at least something is said and whereas I acknowledge your right to do as you wish. I woud also respectfully point out that democracy requires a bit of give and take.
Prince of Dzun
I would have thought good manners would dictate at least something is said and whereas I acknowledge your right to do as you wish. I woud also respectfully point out that democracy requires a bit of give and take.
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How long have you been reading PPRuNe? And how often do you assume that there is only one explanation for what you see?
If you took any notice on PPRuNe, you would have noticed that it is NOT Danny's policy to shut threads down without saying anything. Usually an explanation is given. If not in the case of one particular thread, it is generally because an explanation has been given time and time again and the Mod's fingers get tired of typing the same message time and time again.
If a thread is deleted without explanation it is almost certainly because the original poster deleted their post, which also removes the entire thread.
Furthermore, as has been pointed out time and time again, PPRuNe is not a democracy, never has been, never will be. It is Danny's train set and he gets to say how people play with it.
If you took any notice on PPRuNe, you would have noticed that it is NOT Danny's policy to shut threads down without saying anything. Usually an explanation is given. If not in the case of one particular thread, it is generally because an explanation has been given time and time again and the Mod's fingers get tired of typing the same message time and time again.
If a thread is deleted without explanation it is almost certainly because the original poster deleted their post, which also removes the entire thread.
Furthermore, as has been pointed out time and time again, PPRuNe is not a democracy, never has been, never will be. It is Danny's train set and he gets to say how people play with it.
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HugMonster:
A bit of an improvement on your usual " one liners " but the question was not addressed to you. The question is for the moderator and as Mao Tse Tung said : " if you don't have the facts you are not qualified to speak ".
Prince of Dzun
A bit of an improvement on your usual " one liners " but the question was not addressed to you. The question is for the moderator and as Mao Tse Tung said : " if you don't have the facts you are not qualified to speak ".
Prince of Dzun
If I may butt in. I'm not the moderator of this forum, but I am a moderator (flight test forum).
I've personally...
- Moved three threads, in each case because I felt they'd get a better answer elsewhere.
- Requested twice not to publically discuss something that was sub-judice, but not actually deleted anything.
- Once deleted a particularly offensive post, informing the person responsible by Email of my actions and reasoning, but leaving no trace of the post.
- Once deleted a totally inappropriate thread that I could see had been simultaneously started in 6 other forums.
Danny's not an ogre, but as said above it is his trainset. He gets understandably worried about discussion that may cause threats of legal action and frankly so would anybody else in his position.
There are occasions where either a moderator or another poster has questioned whether a thread should be there and in response the original poster has deleted it. But, so far as I can see, we pretty much all work the same way. We are trying to keep the discussion sensible and innofensive, and trying to prevent anybody suing Danny, since that would probably spell the end of Pprune.
G
I've personally...
- Moved three threads, in each case because I felt they'd get a better answer elsewhere.
- Requested twice not to publically discuss something that was sub-judice, but not actually deleted anything.
- Once deleted a particularly offensive post, informing the person responsible by Email of my actions and reasoning, but leaving no trace of the post.
- Once deleted a totally inappropriate thread that I could see had been simultaneously started in 6 other forums.
Danny's not an ogre, but as said above it is his trainset. He gets understandably worried about discussion that may cause threats of legal action and frankly so would anybody else in his position.
There are occasions where either a moderator or another poster has questioned whether a thread should be there and in response the original poster has deleted it. But, so far as I can see, we pretty much all work the same way. We are trying to keep the discussion sensible and innofensive, and trying to prevent anybody suing Danny, since that would probably spell the end of Pprune.
G
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Prinz of Dzun,
Thanks for your "Question" and therein lies the irony. The post you are referring to was not a "Question" but a statement. I don't close many threads so it didn't take me long to find. If you scroll down you will see that I did add the comment , "and your question is ?"
This forum is for questions directed at professional Pilots. Those questions may come from from other pilots or indeed anybody else that has a question that can best be answered by a professional pilot. In reality the forum allows questions to be directed to other professional groups within the same arena, For example Air Traffic Controllers, Engineers, etc. There are other forums on PPRuNe that may better serve some questions and in most cases of thread transfer that is the reason.
Most people know what the questions forum is for and a lot of the readers are professionals in aviation who read the posts in order to assist with the answers. By keeping the forum to the point I hope it remains relevant and interesting for those that post and those that read.
I understand that there are many forums on PPRuNe and it is not always obvious where a post best fits. Moderators will always assist by using their experience to move a thread to a more suitable forum if they are able to. Where any real doubt exists the thread usually remains where it is. Other reasons for thread removal are where the poster has seen fit to post in numerous forums. This is wasteful of capacity and given the fact most forums have different moderators may well result in inadvertant deletion from the boards completely. If a thread or post fails to comply with the rules you agreed to when you signed up, or it is deemed contentious within the guidelines to moderators it is transferred to the admin forum where it is reassesed by others. It may then be either removed, edited and returned or returned unedited.
For the moderators it is very time consuming to scan the boards, It is not only necessary to read through the forums that an individual moderates but it is frequently necessary to scan all the major forums to ensure that we are not bouncing threads repeatedly or failing to detect multiple postings of the same thread. Moving, deleting or as in this case answering a point on any thread adds to the workload and is only done if it is felt necessary. I am the first to admit that we don't always get it right. we do make mistakes.
People sometimes get indignant or irritated when their post is edited or moved and I understand that. If it is any consolation of the hundreds of scanned threads in a day very few as a percentage are actually moved or adjusted in any way. In the case of this forum the majority of threads moved are usually moved to "Terms & Endearment" which I also moderate, or to wannabees, private flying, Passengers & SLF or Jetblast as may be appropriate. The vast majority of posts are correctly placed and remain in situ.
Your post was a thread starter. It was not a question. It appeared to be a statement in response to another thread. I couldn't reasonably merge it into the thread it referred to. I tried to think of a better forum for it but as it seemed to be a continuation I couldn't. I therefore added a quick comment and closed it but left it on the forum. I hope this explanation and that of the other moderators satisfies your question specifically and helps you understand the process involved generally.
Answering the rest of your question Danny has always said this is not a democracy and that is quite true. Moderators do not own their forums they act as managers for the owners. We frequently discuss individual threads and the methods we apply in a separate forum. I have no right to do as I please but am entrusted to act in the capacity that the websites owner would wish with specific regard to the conduct of a particular forum including this one.
As far as "good manners" are concerned, I do try and fulfill that criteria wherever possible. I expect other people to use them even though that is frequently not the case with a few of the contributors to this site. unfortunetaly with the need for brevity and the amount of work involved it is not always possible to provide the sort of reply that might be interpreted in that way. If I were to be picky I might suggest that your reply to hugmonster as given above rather falls foul of your own point !
I trust this answers your question in full. If I can be of any further assistance please feel free to ask.
Jetdriver
Thanks for your "Question" and therein lies the irony. The post you are referring to was not a "Question" but a statement. I don't close many threads so it didn't take me long to find. If you scroll down you will see that I did add the comment , "and your question is ?"
This forum is for questions directed at professional Pilots. Those questions may come from from other pilots or indeed anybody else that has a question that can best be answered by a professional pilot. In reality the forum allows questions to be directed to other professional groups within the same arena, For example Air Traffic Controllers, Engineers, etc. There are other forums on PPRuNe that may better serve some questions and in most cases of thread transfer that is the reason.
Most people know what the questions forum is for and a lot of the readers are professionals in aviation who read the posts in order to assist with the answers. By keeping the forum to the point I hope it remains relevant and interesting for those that post and those that read.
I understand that there are many forums on PPRuNe and it is not always obvious where a post best fits. Moderators will always assist by using their experience to move a thread to a more suitable forum if they are able to. Where any real doubt exists the thread usually remains where it is. Other reasons for thread removal are where the poster has seen fit to post in numerous forums. This is wasteful of capacity and given the fact most forums have different moderators may well result in inadvertant deletion from the boards completely. If a thread or post fails to comply with the rules you agreed to when you signed up, or it is deemed contentious within the guidelines to moderators it is transferred to the admin forum where it is reassesed by others. It may then be either removed, edited and returned or returned unedited.
For the moderators it is very time consuming to scan the boards, It is not only necessary to read through the forums that an individual moderates but it is frequently necessary to scan all the major forums to ensure that we are not bouncing threads repeatedly or failing to detect multiple postings of the same thread. Moving, deleting or as in this case answering a point on any thread adds to the workload and is only done if it is felt necessary. I am the first to admit that we don't always get it right. we do make mistakes.
People sometimes get indignant or irritated when their post is edited or moved and I understand that. If it is any consolation of the hundreds of scanned threads in a day very few as a percentage are actually moved or adjusted in any way. In the case of this forum the majority of threads moved are usually moved to "Terms & Endearment" which I also moderate, or to wannabees, private flying, Passengers & SLF or Jetblast as may be appropriate. The vast majority of posts are correctly placed and remain in situ.
Your post was a thread starter. It was not a question. It appeared to be a statement in response to another thread. I couldn't reasonably merge it into the thread it referred to. I tried to think of a better forum for it but as it seemed to be a continuation I couldn't. I therefore added a quick comment and closed it but left it on the forum. I hope this explanation and that of the other moderators satisfies your question specifically and helps you understand the process involved generally.
Answering the rest of your question Danny has always said this is not a democracy and that is quite true. Moderators do not own their forums they act as managers for the owners. We frequently discuss individual threads and the methods we apply in a separate forum. I have no right to do as I please but am entrusted to act in the capacity that the websites owner would wish with specific regard to the conduct of a particular forum including this one.
As far as "good manners" are concerned, I do try and fulfill that criteria wherever possible. I expect other people to use them even though that is frequently not the case with a few of the contributors to this site. unfortunetaly with the need for brevity and the amount of work involved it is not always possible to provide the sort of reply that might be interpreted in that way. If I were to be picky I might suggest that your reply to hugmonster as given above rather falls foul of your own point !
I trust this answers your question in full. If I can be of any further assistance please feel free to ask.
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Jetdriver-
I think this is a good time, once again, to thank you, Danny and all the other moderaters and volunteers who make PPRuNe possible. It obviously took more than a few minutes of your personal time to post your reply.
THANK YOU
quid
I think this is a good time, once again, to thank you, Danny and all the other moderaters and volunteers who make PPRuNe possible. It obviously took more than a few minutes of your personal time to post your reply.
THANK YOU
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Quid,
I totally agree with you, for without them, we wouldnt have Pprune..........
Mutt
PS, as this is the question forum...... quid can you please tell me how many engines are on a DC8?...
I totally agree with you, for without them, we wouldnt have Pprune..........
Mutt
PS, as this is the question forum...... quid can you please tell me how many engines are on a DC8?...
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Jetdriver:
Thanks for the detailed explanation, all is clear now and I must say it was pleasing to read good concise English prose. I appreciate the time taken to write it. You are perfectly correct when you suggest good manners slipped a little in my reply to HugMonster. We all know only too well that manners begets manners just as a smile begets a smile. I hope the slight to HugMonster is corrected by what is written below.
Prince of Dzun
HugMonster:
I'm sorry about those caustic words but I was brassed off by the criticism that others levelled at the best job in the world . I took it out on you and I should not have done that.
Would you like me to send you an application to join the association of " Gentlemen of the Passerines ". If you consult the English Collins dictionary it will tell you all you need to know about the Passerines . You can then decide if you meet the requirements for membership and if so I can second your nomination. Only the Collins spells out clearly what sort of group you will be joining as other dictionaries such as Webster's and Oxford etc mask the agenda. It is possible you do not qualify and if this is the case then I have to tell you that you are lucky.
Prince of Dzun
Thanks for the detailed explanation, all is clear now and I must say it was pleasing to read good concise English prose. I appreciate the time taken to write it. You are perfectly correct when you suggest good manners slipped a little in my reply to HugMonster. We all know only too well that manners begets manners just as a smile begets a smile. I hope the slight to HugMonster is corrected by what is written below.
Prince of Dzun
HugMonster:
I'm sorry about those caustic words but I was brassed off by the criticism that others levelled at the best job in the world . I took it out on you and I should not have done that.
Would you like me to send you an application to join the association of " Gentlemen of the Passerines ". If you consult the English Collins dictionary it will tell you all you need to know about the Passerines . You can then decide if you meet the requirements for membership and if so I can second your nomination. Only the Collins spells out clearly what sort of group you will be joining as other dictionaries such as Webster's and Oxford etc mask the agenda. It is possible you do not qualify and if this is the case then I have to tell you that you are lucky.
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I don't agree at all with the opening comments of this thread.
Like has been said in a few previous posts, we should be pleased that there are people willing to spend time to make Pprune happen. Many of us would feel 'out of the loop' if it were to disappear.
I've had my fingers burnt on a couple of occasions by talking politics in the wrong place. It is all too easy for people to become 'wound up' by a thread and start ranting without really thinking about what they are saying. If it could land someone in trouble then it should be removed or the perpetrator told off.
I am guilty of all of the things mentioned but wont be again (touch wood). If I want to make a political statement, I'll run in the local elections, If I want to talk crap and offend people then I'll get a life.
Bodie
Like has been said in a few previous posts, we should be pleased that there are people willing to spend time to make Pprune happen. Many of us would feel 'out of the loop' if it were to disappear.
I've had my fingers burnt on a couple of occasions by talking politics in the wrong place. It is all too easy for people to become 'wound up' by a thread and start ranting without really thinking about what they are saying. If it could land someone in trouble then it should be removed or the perpetrator told off.
I am guilty of all of the things mentioned but wont be again (touch wood). If I want to make a political statement, I'll run in the local elections, If I want to talk crap and offend people then I'll get a life.
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Hugmonster!
Beware of doubtful membership to this order!
.........Or you might be found perching somewhere that has an array of birds for company. I agree. It does sound wonderful. Except that the word "Passerine" relates to Finches, Larks and Starlings etc., Not quite up your street I fear. Well they might be but I happen to know you prefer the other variety.
Beware of doubtful membership to this order!
.........Or you might be found perching somewhere that has an array of birds for company. I agree. It does sound wonderful. Except that the word "Passerine" relates to Finches, Larks and Starlings etc., Not quite up your street I fear. Well they might be but I happen to know you prefer the other variety.
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Bodie:
What you say is interesting because it's not often one is privileged to meet someone who admits they have voluntarily subjected themselves to self criticism and thought cleansing. If you so wish I can head you in a direction that will result in further improvement. You show promise.
Prince of Dzun
What you say is interesting because it's not often one is privileged to meet someone who admits they have voluntarily subjected themselves to self criticism and thought cleansing. If you so wish I can head you in a direction that will result in further improvement. You show promise.
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PoD - apology accepted. Thank you also for your offer of an application form, but I feel it might be better if you were to save it for someone better fitted to the role than I. 
IFR - got it, thanks!
IFR - got it, thanks!
