BA Cadetship - September???
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BA Cadetship - September???
Hey Guys,
Was just wondering if anyone else had heard a rumour - may I say this is as far as I am aware just a rumour that BA will be reopening the cadetship scheme come September time.
Heard from a friend who heard from a friend who heard ..... and blah de blah was just wondering if anyone knew if there was anything more to it or if its just wishful thinking.
Cheers
Brycie
Was just wondering if anyone else had heard a rumour - may I say this is as far as I am aware just a rumour that BA will be reopening the cadetship scheme come September time.
Heard from a friend who heard from a friend who heard ..... and blah de blah was just wondering if anyone knew if there was anything more to it or if its just wishful thinking.
Cheers
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BA are in big trouble just one look at the stock price will tell you that so why shold they spend large sums of money training people to FATPL when all they have to do is post on the waanabes section of pprune to find people who have spent there own money ant time to get the FATPL.
In my opinion these pepole would make better empolyees than SOME of the "hitler youth" that I have seen from prestwick.
BA will in time dig its self out of the troubles it has but the beencounters buy some thing that they can get for free..........never !.
In my opinion these pepole would make better empolyees than SOME of the "hitler youth" that I have seen from prestwick.
BA will in time dig its self out of the troubles it has but the beencounters buy some thing that they can get for free..........never !.
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Re Hitler Youth
AC - Hitler Youth? This is a tad distasteful isn't it? Particularly to some of the Cadets who come from an ethnic minority. Perhaps you could enlighten us to your experience of the Brown Uniform Brigade?
Some of the reasons why I think BA uses the Cadet scheme:
i) It allows them to select the best individuals and monitor their progress at all times during training. If you start failing your ground school or flying exams then you get chopped. With some pilots out there having struggled and scraped a licence then conversions may be failed and result in training/chopping cost - happened to a Capt from Brymon when I was doing my course.
ii) The cadets give them anything from 27 to 35 years service. Thus negating a short term fire fighting approach to recruitment.
iii) Cadets are on reduced salary for the first five years (CEP starting £22k DEP 32k?) and pay back £15k out of their pay packet aswell. The cost is therefore recovered.
iv) Diminishing pool of sutiable DEPs. For years they have tried to recruit from the DEP pool, when you've looked at people a couple of times and "thrown them back in" you run out of fish to catch and select. Now as for people who have been rejected I am sorry, as I personally know friends who I think would be great for BA with a B757/A320 rating who have been rejected. I don't know sometimes what basis they are evaluating on.
On a more positive note,
a) If you go through one of the flight schools BA uses/d and get good reports there is a semi sponsorship scheme whereby you will be lumped with other cadets at Jet Orientation Course. This is/was HS125-800 course, if you continue to glow you get a job offer.
b) The long term forecasts remain good for the industry and in the future should BA be very short of pilots we can see a repeat of the 1987/88 scenario when lots of DEPs with relatively low hours were hired to fill the vacancies.
In the meantime my personal recommendation is do something in the meantime to fall back on whether it be a Modern Apprenticeship (as WWW supports) or do a degree/work in the city (as I did post Gulf).
Good luck to all the Wannabes!
Some of the reasons why I think BA uses the Cadet scheme:
i) It allows them to select the best individuals and monitor their progress at all times during training. If you start failing your ground school or flying exams then you get chopped. With some pilots out there having struggled and scraped a licence then conversions may be failed and result in training/chopping cost - happened to a Capt from Brymon when I was doing my course.
ii) The cadets give them anything from 27 to 35 years service. Thus negating a short term fire fighting approach to recruitment.
iii) Cadets are on reduced salary for the first five years (CEP starting £22k DEP 32k?) and pay back £15k out of their pay packet aswell. The cost is therefore recovered.
iv) Diminishing pool of sutiable DEPs. For years they have tried to recruit from the DEP pool, when you've looked at people a couple of times and "thrown them back in" you run out of fish to catch and select. Now as for people who have been rejected I am sorry, as I personally know friends who I think would be great for BA with a B757/A320 rating who have been rejected. I don't know sometimes what basis they are evaluating on.
On a more positive note,
a) If you go through one of the flight schools BA uses/d and get good reports there is a semi sponsorship scheme whereby you will be lumped with other cadets at Jet Orientation Course. This is/was HS125-800 course, if you continue to glow you get a job offer.
b) The long term forecasts remain good for the industry and in the future should BA be very short of pilots we can see a repeat of the 1987/88 scenario when lots of DEPs with relatively low hours were hired to fill the vacancies.
In the meantime my personal recommendation is do something in the meantime to fall back on whether it be a Modern Apprenticeship (as WWW supports) or do a degree/work in the city (as I did post Gulf).
Good luck to all the Wannabes!
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Yes I had to work with the first of the prestwick cadets and more that one or two had the attitude that they were the "two winged master race".
As an ground engineer suporting the base training I met quite a few of the cadets and most where very plesant but a few of them I found downright rude and on one training flight I was treated with so much disrespect that the training captain had words with these people.
The "hitler youth" remark was a direct quote from another training captain on another flight when his patence was streched to the limit by the attitude of two of these people.
It was quite apparent that after the first few courses BA must have changed some thing in the recrutment as a marked improvemet in attitude and manners of the cadets that I met when base training.
As an ground engineer suporting the base training I met quite a few of the cadets and most where very plesant but a few of them I found downright rude and on one training flight I was treated with so much disrespect that the training captain had words with these people.
The "hitler youth" remark was a direct quote from another training captain on another flight when his patence was streched to the limit by the attitude of two of these people.
It was quite apparent that after the first few courses BA must have changed some thing in the recrutment as a marked improvemet in attitude and manners of the cadets that I met when base training.
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Thank you for your response and in your defence I can recall being told about problems when the first few cadets came through the system.
This was actually a result of them being told that they were the best and that they should have no fear in questioning anything that the capt says/does. This was about the same time as CRM was coming to the fore aswell, there were problems with the early interpretation and application of CRM. As I understand it the schools, prompted by mgmt, were to train the cadets not to revert to child mode and blindly follow orders by "some crusty old capt" that would lead them into danger. Unfortunately as you say some of them misunderstood and the result was a far from happy cockpit. The cadets with "attitude" problems were called into the office and the issues addressed.
I would have prefered to use the term "f*****g w*****S" as oppossed to Hitler Youth - but then again I can see it being funny in the situation - think you caught me in one of my sensitive spells!
I would like to think that it has all changed now especially as I am a more recent cadet who has started flying with some of the ex prestwick guys who are getting their first commands.
Happy flying
This was actually a result of them being told that they were the best and that they should have no fear in questioning anything that the capt says/does. This was about the same time as CRM was coming to the fore aswell, there were problems with the early interpretation and application of CRM. As I understand it the schools, prompted by mgmt, were to train the cadets not to revert to child mode and blindly follow orders by "some crusty old capt" that would lead them into danger. Unfortunately as you say some of them misunderstood and the result was a far from happy cockpit. The cadets with "attitude" problems were called into the office and the issues addressed.
I would have prefered to use the term "f*****g w*****S" as oppossed to Hitler Youth - but then again I can see it being funny in the situation - think you caught me in one of my sensitive spells!
I would like to think that it has all changed now especially as I am a more recent cadet who has started flying with some of the ex prestwick guys who are getting their first commands.
Happy flying
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Theres always been plenty of fATPL's applying for BA, who still decide to run their own Cadet scheme. I guess if you're good enough then you have a chance, regardless of your current qualifications.
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No smoke without fire?
Well, this is a rumours forum. Some of the replys to this are opinions - may be valid, but are they anything more than one person's view?
I've heard rumours of cadet schemes being launched this autumn from another (reliable and well informed) source. It is not illogical; a scheme launched this autumn would mean entering training in 2003 and graduating well into 2004, if not early 2005. Today's problems (for yesterdays graduates) may well be over by then (we all hope). And I'd like to bet that there have been many fewer people commencing training in the last 9 months than normal.
I for one are going to hang on to my cash for a few months - I'd hate to start a course I can only just afford to see a cadet scheme starting a couple of months later. You pays your money and takes a chance.
I've heard rumours of cadet schemes being launched this autumn from another (reliable and well informed) source. It is not illogical; a scheme launched this autumn would mean entering training in 2003 and graduating well into 2004, if not early 2005. Today's problems (for yesterdays graduates) may well be over by then (we all hope). And I'd like to bet that there have been many fewer people commencing training in the last 9 months than normal.
I for one are going to hang on to my cash for a few months - I'd hate to start a course I can only just afford to see a cadet scheme starting a couple of months later. You pays your money and takes a chance.
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Hey thanks, Moggie. That was really useful 
So positive things are happening, but you can't say, or even speculate, as to why?! On a RUMOUR network?! Come on, spill the beans
So positive things are happening, but you can't say, or even speculate, as to why?! On a RUMOUR network?! Come on, spill the beans
I would be suprised to see the full cadetship back anytime soon. Really i would.
There are plenty of self sponsored types out there available tomorrow at no cost and of suitable ability.
The company is trying to convince the City its clamping down on costs.
I just can't see it somehow.
WWW
There are plenty of self sponsored types out there available tomorrow at no cost and of suitable ability.
The company is trying to convince the City its clamping down on costs.
I just can't see it somehow.
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Ok then, I´ll come clean
Just don't want to get too far ahead of the game, but what I was alluding to is the fact that BA may be restarting JOC training to pull in their "pool" of cadet pilots.
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Actually I already knew that
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The newest name for our BA cadet friends is "The Collective" aka the Borg.
I'm at Oxford and know a lot of the BA cadets that are there and almost without exception they take this nick name in good humour and are thoroughly nice people!
Anyway back to why I was posting in the first place. I was at Farnborough last Friday and got talking to the guys on the BA stand and was told whilst in isolated conversation by a "nameless" FO that "He wouldnt be surprised if BA advertise for DEPs before the end of the year".
I know this is:
a. Unsubstantiated
b. Not really anything to do with the cadet scheme
But I thought that it is of rumour type interest to all of us.
Cheers
TBL
I'm at Oxford and know a lot of the BA cadets that are there and almost without exception they take this nick name in good humour and are thoroughly nice people!
Anyway back to why I was posting in the first place. I was at Farnborough last Friday and got talking to the guys on the BA stand and was told whilst in isolated conversation by a "nameless" FO that "He wouldnt be surprised if BA advertise for DEPs before the end of the year".
I know this is:
a. Unsubstantiated
b. Not really anything to do with the cadet scheme
But I thought that it is of rumour type interest to all of us.
Cheers
TBL
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WWW,
Do you honestly think the City is focused on such trivialities as if they do or do not restart their cadet scheme?
The impact of the scheme on bottom line performance is next to meaningless. All investors want to know about headcount is "is it being reduced/frozen?". I think you'll find when BA start recruiting DEPs, CEPs won't be far behind (almost by definition of timing differences)
Do you honestly think the City is focused on such trivialities as if they do or do not restart their cadet scheme?
The impact of the scheme on bottom line performance is next to meaningless. All investors want to know about headcount is "is it being reduced/frozen?". I think you'll find when BA start recruiting DEPs, CEPs won't be far behind (almost by definition of timing differences)
4 courses of 12 = 48 * £50,000 = Two and Half Million Quid.
Probably the potted plant watering budget at Waterside I know but why spend it when you don't have to?
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Probably the potted plant watering budget at Waterside I know but why spend it when you don't have to?
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