Brexit and UK licences
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Its actually relatively easy and sorted with 300 euros to the Irish CAA after filling out 2 forms if you are flying for an EU airline with a UK lic. You can even now get a UK national license when you transfer.
I suspect they will not be reasonable and if you are caught in the middle of it all you in for a world of pain.
I say this as a UK national that supports exit. And it won't be the UK that causes the problems.
I suspect they will not be reasonable and if you are caught in the middle of it all you in for a world of pain.
I say this as a UK national that supports exit. And it won't be the UK that causes the problems.
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There is a lot of people that takes the exams under the UK CAA. Ingoring that all this people got his exams done under an EASA member (at that moment at least) would be terrible.
The "window" solution sounds like the most probable outcome to me.
The "window" solution sounds like the most probable outcome to me.
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Yes with the approval of their CAA's
You can do what you want but not having an escape route is not a wise idea with anything to do with aviation.
Personally I would be talking to Irish CAA and asking the question if you could transfer your exam results and medical etc over to them. What you don't want to happen is to be trapped in the middle of training and not in the system you need.
We don't do probable outcomes in commercial aviation. Either its going to be a safe landing or its a go-around.
You can do what you want but not having an escape route is not a wise idea with anything to do with aviation.
Personally I would be talking to Irish CAA and asking the question if you could transfer your exam results and medical etc over to them. What you don't want to happen is to be trapped in the middle of training and not in the system you need.
We don't do probable outcomes in commercial aviation. Either its going to be a safe landing or its a go-around.
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To be honest the country differences hasn't really changed much, there are still pages of country differences between the different members. RT is still different as well.
This is more fundamental, its at the whim of people that consider political principle more important than an individuals circumstances. All you will be is collateral damage.
This is more fundamental, its at the whim of people that consider political principle more important than an individuals circumstances. All you will be is collateral damage.
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Yeah like the quadrant system coming in, I started my exams before Quadrant and then it came in all of a sudden and I had to adapt to the new system, had I known quadrant was coming in and only being applied to the UK you bet I would not have done my exams under the UK CAA
The rule makers can do as they please and everyone just has to accept it so in this case I agree that sounds like a good idea to prepare for the worst and see if you can get your results transfered I may look into that when i'm done my exams
The rule makers can do as they please and everyone just has to accept it so in this case I agree that sounds like a good idea to prepare for the worst and see if you can get your results transfered I may look into that when i'm done my exams
In fact, the most reasonable would be: if you get your ground exams certificate when the UK is still on EASA, that certificate will remain valid for any EASA country.
I agree with you in the idea of transfering the results to another CAA (this would solve everything), but I never heard this could be done. Perhaps someone can help with this query?
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Yes, this Brexit thing is a bloody nightmare.
I live in the UK, hold an EASA ATPL issued by the UK CAA. So far so good.
I fly a Portuguese reg aircraft, and do my recurrents in the US at Flight Safety.
Many of my colleagues have UK ATPLs as the examiners in the US have authority for a few NAAs (UK, Belgian, French, German...)
I don't know if they have Irish rights. :/
Yes, these questions are in the office....
It's just a bloody mess.
I live in the UK, hold an EASA ATPL issued by the UK CAA. So far so good.
I fly a Portuguese reg aircraft, and do my recurrents in the US at Flight Safety.
Many of my colleagues have UK ATPLs as the examiners in the US have authority for a few NAAs (UK, Belgian, French, German...)
I don't know if they have Irish rights. :/
Yes, these questions are in the office....
It's just a bloody mess.
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I don't have a clue about transferring, my exams were done under JAR.
It will be dependant of the CAA's opinion who your transferring to. Again under EASA there is a huge variation on what CAA's will allow. I would suspect that you have zero chance with French or German CAA's. The Irish though seem to have run a common sense approach for a number of years which is why I suggested them. I would email them and see what they say. The worst ting they can say is no. I would like to expect all courses complete before the exit date would remain valid but the stakeholders statement currently doesn't imply that they will be. You won't be the only one in the same situation.
The sooner you start asking the questions the sooner a solution can be found. A solution before the exit date which you have to take as 29th March next year will be a lot less complicated than one after. Also remember there will be a run on people doing this and it does take time to do the SOLI transfer of medical records and license information and you have potentially the whole of Easyjet with UK licenses going to do the same thing.
It will be dependant of the CAA's opinion who your transferring to. Again under EASA there is a huge variation on what CAA's will allow. I would suspect that you have zero chance with French or German CAA's. The Irish though seem to have run a common sense approach for a number of years which is why I suggested them. I would email them and see what they say. The worst ting they can say is no. I would like to expect all courses complete before the exit date would remain valid but the stakeholders statement currently doesn't imply that they will be. You won't be the only one in the same situation.
The sooner you start asking the questions the sooner a solution can be found. A solution before the exit date which you have to take as 29th March next year will be a lot less complicated than one after. Also remember there will be a run on people doing this and it does take time to do the SOLI transfer of medical records and license information and you have potentially the whole of Easyjet with UK licenses going to do the same thing.
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I've been sending a barrage of emails: to the spanish CAA (AESA), to the IAA, and to CATS (my ground school).
The only answer I got was from this last one: "Your exams with be valid in any EASA approved country. ".
I've been also reading about brexit, and apparently there is a "transition period" aranged between UK and EU that lasts to december 2020. I don't know what this period i'ts totally ignored in the EASA document.
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The only answer I got was from this last one: "Your exams with be valid in any EASA approved country. ".
I've been also reading about brexit, and apparently there is a "transition period" aranged between UK and EU that lasts to december 2020. I don't know what this period i'ts totally ignored in the EASA document.
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There is nothing so far confirmed a Transition period has been talked about but until its legally binding and approved by both sides I wouldn't bet on it.
Also don't touch the Spanish CAA with a poo pole, everything takes months to sort out and many many brick walls to bang your head against also its one of the expensive authorities. I have had several mates transfer away from them.
CATS don't have a clue either what's going to happen same as the rest of us. They have to say that other wise nobody in their right mind would start training with them or any other UK approved provider for the next year if the person intends to use their license in euroland.
Also don't touch the Spanish CAA with a poo pole, everything takes months to sort out and many many brick walls to bang your head against also its one of the expensive authorities. I have had several mates transfer away from them.
CATS don't have a clue either what's going to happen same as the rest of us. They have to say that other wise nobody in their right mind would start training with them or any other UK approved provider for the next year if the person intends to use their license in euroland.
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I would get the exams and Cpl course out the way ASAP and get the CPL issued before 29th March 2019. Which point the ATPL exams will just be a time limit on your records. Then MEP and IR will just be additional ratings on the CPL and there will be no time pressure to complete them apart from the normal IR time limit.
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No the exam credits are held on the CPL as active for a given period. Well that's the way it works at other CAA's. But you have a point the Spanish may have a different view.
There is a difference between CPL issue and adding ratings. IN theory you could transfer to IAA as soon as you have the CPL in your hand. Personally that's what I would do. MEP and IR ratings can be done in any member state because they are licnese additions.
When the transfer goes through there is no mention where you did the exams just when they were completed.
There is a difference between CPL issue and adding ratings. IN theory you could transfer to IAA as soon as you have the CPL in your hand. Personally that's what I would do. MEP and IR ratings can be done in any member state because they are licnese additions.
When the transfer goes through there is no mention where you did the exams just when they were completed.
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There is nothing so far confirmed a Transition period has been talked about but until its legally binding and approved by both sides I wouldn't bet on it.<br /><br />Also don't touch the Spanish CAA with a poo pole, everything takes months to sort out and many many brick walls to bang your head against also its one of the expensive authorities. I have had several mates transfer away from them.<br /><br />CATS don't have a clue either what's going to happen same as the rest of us. They have to say that other wise nobody in their right mind would start training with them or any other UK approved provider for the next year if the person intends to use their license in euroland.
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Update:
I got answers from the IAA and EASA.
IAA: We don't know anything yet, EASA will give us instructions for this.
EASA: The european commission is on negotiations, EASA is no party to this negotiations. We don't know.
Both have seemed to ignore that the exam related question is more a legal issue than anything related to brexit negotiations.
I got answers from the IAA and EASA.
IAA: We don't know anything yet, EASA will give us instructions for this.
EASA: The european commission is on negotiations, EASA is no party to this negotiations. We don't know.
Both have seemed to ignore that the exam related question is more a legal issue than anything related to brexit negotiations.