Brexit and UK licences
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Brexit and UK licences
Hi all,
I saw this PDF on the website of EASA by searching "brexit".
Had you ever heard of this ? Would it mean that all ATPL licences recently taken in UK would be invalid in EU states ?
Thanks a lot
I saw this PDF on the website of EASA by searching "brexit".
Had you ever heard of this ? Would it mean that all ATPL licences recently taken in UK would be invalid in EU states ?
Thanks a lot
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No.
EASA has no power to revoke licences. World aviation is regulated by the ICAO. There are 192 ICAO member states, and EASA is not on the list. EASA does not issue licences, it is merely a club. They set standards higher than ICAO, and members agree to recognize each other’s licences as they would their own. The only thing that EASA can do is refuse to recognize a CAA licence as an EASA licence. Member states are required by the Chicago convention to recognize ICAO licences, EASA or not.
As long as you are flying a G-registered aircraft, a CAA licence is valid anywhere in the world, including Europe.
EASA has no power to revoke licences. World aviation is regulated by the ICAO. There are 192 ICAO member states, and EASA is not on the list. EASA does not issue licences, it is merely a club. They set standards higher than ICAO, and members agree to recognize each other’s licences as they would their own. The only thing that EASA can do is refuse to recognize a CAA licence as an EASA licence. Member states are required by the Chicago convention to recognize ICAO licences, EASA or not.
As long as you are flying a G-registered aircraft, a CAA licence is valid anywhere in the world, including Europe.
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World aviation is regulated by the ICAO
Post Brexit, a UK-issued licence will be valid to fly a UK registered aircraft anywhere in the EU in exactly the same way that, for example, an FAA licence is valid to fly a US registered aircraft. Since a UK-based operator will not be "established or residing in the Community", there will no requirement to hold an EASA licence. The difference is that a UK-issued licence will not be valid to fly non-UK registered aircraft.
It is also worth considering that a UK-issued LAPL, being a sub-ICAO licence, may not be valid outside the UK after Brexit. The main reason to hold an LAPL is the less stringent medical requirements and, given the self-declaration process for a UK PPL medical combined with the inevitable removal of the distinction between EASA and Annex II aircraft, we will probably see the LAPL disappear.
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Not true. ICAO produces Standards and Recommended Practices from which individual member states develop legislation. EASA is in a rather strange position, being neither an ICAO member state nor a regulator but simply a rule maker.
Post Brexit, a UK-issued licence will be valid to fly a UK registered aircraft anywhere in the EU in exactly the same way that, for example, an FAA licence is valid to fly a US registered aircraft. Since a UK-based operator will not be "established or residing in the Community", there will no requirement to hold an EASA licence. The difference is that a UK-issued licence will not be valid to fly non-UK registered aircraft.
It is also worth considering that a UK-issued LAPL, being a sub-ICAO licence, may not be valid outside the UK after Brexit. The main reason to hold an LAPL is the less stringent medical requirements and, given the self-declaration process for a UK PPL medical combined with the inevitable removal of the distinction between EASA and Annex II aircraft, we will probably see the LAPL disappear.
Post Brexit, a UK-issued licence will be valid to fly a UK registered aircraft anywhere in the EU in exactly the same way that, for example, an FAA licence is valid to fly a US registered aircraft. Since a UK-based operator will not be "established or residing in the Community", there will no requirement to hold an EASA licence. The difference is that a UK-issued licence will not be valid to fly non-UK registered aircraft.
It is also worth considering that a UK-issued LAPL, being a sub-ICAO licence, may not be valid outside the UK after Brexit. The main reason to hold an LAPL is the less stringent medical requirements and, given the self-declaration process for a UK PPL medical combined with the inevitable removal of the distinction between EASA and Annex II aircraft, we will probably see the LAPL disappear.
HI Billie Bob,
I find this a little concerning as someone who is about to go through an integrated ATPL course with a well established English school - does this mean I won't be able to go and work for a European carrier coming out the other end of it? do you think it would be better to get an EASA based licence from say FTE Jerez for the ability to work in many more places or do you think that nothing much will change in this industry?
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....does this mean I won't be able to go and work for a European carrier coming out the other end of it?
However, IMHO the chances of the 'cliff edge' scenario are about the same as Brexit being entirely abandoned and it is more likely that some weasel-worded compromise will be reached. The whole Brexit farce will have cost billions and the UK will have gained nothing but lost its seat at the decision-making table.
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thanks for giving me some confidence back in that one guys!! i have had 24 hours of slight turmoil over this one especially as its gonna cost £100k to get a licence which might not be worth so much!!!
Would anybody advise going to FTE Jerez for an EASA licence still or needn't I worry so much?
Would anybody advise going to FTE Jerez for an EASA licence still or needn't I worry so much?
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And what about the ATPL theory ?
I'm currently doing it in England and I have nearly finished, do you think I would still be able to do the CPL/IR in another country which issues EASA licenses ?
I'm currently doing it in England and I have nearly finished, do you think I would still be able to do the CPL/IR in another country which issues EASA licenses ?
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I’m about to start my ATPL with Bartolini Air (Poland) in the next month or two, will Brexit cause any complications for this ?
I also plan on completing the CPL-ME/IR course with them as-well late next year / 2020 Will Brexit cause problems regarding licensing or even training ? Will I have a Uk licences given my Medical was undertaken here or would I be better having the polish authorities issue my licenses ? However would that then cause problems job wise ? Quite confused with it.
I also plan on completing the CPL-ME/IR course with them as-well late next year / 2020 Will Brexit cause problems regarding licensing or even training ? Will I have a Uk licences given my Medical was undertaken here or would I be better having the polish authorities issue my licenses ? However would that then cause problems job wise ? Quite confused with it.
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What's the confusion - that's future pain! 
Until UK leaves EASA, no problem. If it does, transfer your licence to an EASA state. it's not like you won't get plemty of warning.
Until UK leaves EASA, no problem. If it does, transfer your licence to an EASA state. it's not like you won't get plemty of warning.
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thanks for giving me some confidence back in that one guys!! i have had 24 hours of slight turmoil over this one especially as its gonna cost £100k to get a licence which might not be worth so much!!!
Would anybody advise going to FTE Jerez for an EASA licence still or needn't I worry so much?
Would anybody advise going to FTE Jerez for an EASA licence still or needn't I worry so much?
