Brexit and UK licences
 

Hi all,

I saw this PDF on the website of EASA by searching "brexit".
Had you ever heard of this ? Would it mean that all ATPL licences recently taken in UK would be invalid in EU states ?

Thanks a lot

Not true. ICAO produces Standards and Recommended Practices from which individual member states develop legislation. EASA is in a rather strange position, being neither an ICAO member state nor a regulator but simply a rule maker.

Post Brexit, a UK-issued licence will be valid to fly a UK registered aircraft anywhere in the EU in exactly the same way that, for example, an FAA licence is valid to fly a US registered aircraft. Since a UK-based operator will not be "established or residing in the Community", there will no requirement to hold an EASA licence. The difference is that a UK-issued licence will not be valid to fly non-UK registered aircraft.

It is also worth considering that a UK-issued LAPL, being a sub-ICAO licence, may not be valid outside the UK after Brexit. The main reason to hold an LAPL is the less stringent medical requirements and, given the self-declaration process for a UK PPL medical combined with the inevitable removal of the distinction between EASA and Annex II aircraft, we will probably see the LAPL disappear.

HI Billie Bob,
I find this a little concerning as someone who is about to go through an integrated ATPL course with a well established English school - does this mean I won't be able to go and work for a European carrier coming out the other end of it? do you think it would be better to get an EASA based licence from say FTE Jerez for the ability to work in many more places or do you think that nothing much will change in this industry?

Regards

It depends entirely on the final decision on Brexit. If the UK maintains some agreed position of membership/compliance such as that 'enjoyed' by Norway, Iceland and Switzerland then nothing will change. However, if the final decision is to cut all ties with EASA, the UK becomes a "third country", just like the US. If there is a transition period, this would be the time to transfer your state of licence issue but bear in mind the "Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed" and it is still possible that we will reach the so-called cliff edge on 31 March 2019. This being the case, there is now less than 11 months to be certain of obtaining an EASA licence with a UK-approved ATO.

However, IMHO the chances of the 'cliff edge' scenario are about the same as Brexit being entirely abandoned and it is more likely that some weasel-worded compromise will be reached. The whole Brexit farce will have cost billions and the UK will have gained nothing but lost its seat at the decision-making table.

My money's on brexit not happening at all...

It will happen in name only

Yeah, if they were serious it could have been done and dusted ages ago.

thanks for giving me some confidence back in that one guys!! i have had 24 hours of slight turmoil over this one especially as its gonna cost £100k to get a licence which might not be worth so much!!!

Would anybody advise going to FTE Jerez for an EASA licence still or needn't I worry so much?

And what about the ATPL theory ?
I'm currently doing it in England and I have nearly finished, do you think I would still be able to do the CPL/IR in another country which issues EASA licenses ?

CES - yes, you will.Nothing's going to happen that soon....

What's the confusion - that's future pain! :) Until UK leaves EASA, no problem. If it does, transfer your licence to an EASA state. it's not like you won't get plemty of warning.

Depends upon whether you are more likely to work for a UK or a European AOC I suspect.

Any news on this?
Those of us who are doing our ATPL exams under UK CAA are a bit concerned that suddenly those exams are no longer valid.

I don't know if this is what's going to happen, I'm just assuming the worst case scenario.

The thing is, I have only 4 more exams to do, wich I will probably have passed by the end of this year. My fear is that in the middle of my IR training, those exams will no longer by EASA compliant!

Well, let's hope they are reasonable.
If I had to do the 14 exams again I would commit suicide. :ooh:

It would be worse for those pilots working on an european airline with an UK license...