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Old 17th Dec 2013, 11:49
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Question FAA ATPL course

Hi everyone,

I know there are already plenty (possibly hundreds...) of threads talking about the ATP classes, studies, learning etc... But they all come with a great amount of answers that sooner or later just end up confusing me so much, so that is why i am starting yet a new thread about this

I am currently working in South East Asia and getting closer to ATP requirements. I have FAA CPL IR Multi but not my A320 type rating on it. My rating is on my ICAO CPL license.

I cannot do the ATPL here at the moment due to some DGCA restrictions restricting the issuance of licences to foreign pilots. So naturally is thought of doing the FAA ATPL.

So questions are:
- In order to get my FAA ATPL with A320 on it, do i need to make a full type rating or can i go for the ATP written test once i feel ready for it, then from there go to a simulator and do my check ride + oral exam ? Could it work this way ?

- I have read about the FAA FSDO (Flight Standard District Office) and it said something like this:

"A person who is applying for a U.S. rating or medical certificate on the basis of a foreign license must apply for that certificate at least 90 days before arriving at the designated FAA FSDO where the applicant intends to receive the U.S. certificate. This initial application step is the responsibility of the applicant.
The information you submit to the Airmen Certification Branch must include your:

name and date of birth

address where you wish to have the verification of the authenticity letter mailed

certificate number and ratings on the foreign license

country of issuance of your foreign license

location of the FAA Flight Standards District Office where you intend to apply for your U.S. certificate

statement that your foreign license is not under an order of suspension or revocation


Note: The Airmen Certification Branch would prefer to have a copy of the foreign license and medical certificate or endorsement included with all requests for verification of authenticity of the foreign license.
When we receive verification from the CAA, you will receive written notification that we forwarded a copy to the Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) you designated in your request. The verification is valid for 6 calendar months. You may apply for a U.S. certificate at the designated FSDO during that period."

Does it mean that i could have my type rating "transfered" from my other license to FAA CPL ??
I am sure it is not that simple but if it works this way, it could probably save me lots of $$$$.


Hope it can be of use to someone else out there
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Old 17th Dec 2013, 15:22
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The only certificate the FAA will issue based on a foreign license is a private certificate. They would put the A-320 rating on it with the limitation "VFR ONLY." However, since you already hold a FAA commercial certificate, you can't go back and a 61.75 private certificate.

- In order to get my FAA ATPL with A320 on it, do i need to make a full type rating or can i go for the ATP written test once i feel ready for it, then from there go to a simulator and do my check ride + oral exam ? Could it work this way ?
Are you asking if you can skip the ground school and just take the checkride? You'll have to use a Part 142 school for the sim and they'll want you to complete a GS.

Also, be advised that starting 1 August next year, in order to take the ATP written you will have to complete an ATP Training Program which will be 30 classroom and 10 simulator hours.
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Are you asking if you can skip the ground school and just take the checkride?
That would be basically what i am asking yes

I don't know if i can self study at home and then go for the written exam. If yes i suppose that would just get me the ATPL written, it doesn't get me the license, right ? Also, after that (i am still supposing), if i ever want to be able to claim i have ATPL, and get captaincy in the A320 i would need to show "A320" on my ATPL, is that right ?

Here in Indonesia for example i have been told that they just need to see ATPL, doesn't matter if it is done on a cessna or a bus

I just want to get it done with, but i want to do it right.
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Yes, you can "self study" for the written and when you think you are ready you can take the written test without an instructor's sign off. And you are correct, if you pass the written you will have a report saying you passed the ATP written, nothing more.

You can take the checkride in a PA-34 or BE-55 and get an ATP with a multi-engine. There are many schools that will do this, 3 or 4 training flights and a checkride. And you can then say you hold a FAA ATP. In order to have an FAA ATP with an A-320 rating you have to take the checkride in an A-320.
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MarkerInbound, you really are of a great help ! Thanks a lot !

So i guess i would have to be ready with my self study for the ATP written and oral, and then go for a check ride in a sim, as you said.

Now, would you have any idea what training center would allow me to do so ? Pan Am might require for some extra sim sessions or sell a package of some kind, right ?
Also would you know more or less how long should i except to get done with all the exams checkride etc ... ? I am thinking something around 10 days maybe ?

I am really looking for the cheapest thing around as i am self sponsored and being paid in Rupiah isn't exactly helping (as i have to buy dollars and it is getting more and more expensive...)
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Yes, I think any training center will require you to complete a GS/sim training course. Most training centers will have several courses. One for pilots with no time in type, one for pilots with time time in another type from the same manufacturer and one for pilots with time in type but no rating. So I'd think you should be able to find a class with maybe three classroom days and 3 sims and the checkride.
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I have looked all around the web for a school or training center that would allow me to do all that, but i can't seem to find anything , perhaps you know one or maybe orient me somewhere ?

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There's a thread running in the Pacific General Aviation and Questions forum asking the same question with people commenting on some of the schools, you might want to look through it. Pan Am Academy in Miami and Minneapolis, Airbus in Miami, US Airways in Charlotte, Higher Power near the Dallas/Fort Worth airport and K&S in Arizona all do A-320 training.
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