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Old 12th Aug 2014, 08:37
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Dean International flight school?

I am looking for a school to build sme hours in Florida this November.

I have seen several school, and this is one of my "favorite" (always talking just by searching internet)

can someone help me telling me some feedbacks about it?

I have seen also another school called Air America Flight center...

Some of you have been flying with them, or do you know someone who was?

Both have good rental prices, but I want to talked to someone who has been flying with them recenly...

I need fedbacks tobe confident about some school.. I have asked, and talked to several schools around florida, and I am already colapsed...

Also, if you have been flying in other school with good rates, please tell me where, I need some help to decided wich school to fly with..

Thank you in advance
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Old 12th Aug 2014, 09:36
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Old 12th Aug 2014, 13:06
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Please, Could you tell me more about where did you fly deserva??

Was it a school?

Wich airport was the airplane at?

those 80$ were with taxes and fees included?
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Old 12th Aug 2014, 14:06
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shared time, ¿how does it works?

Hello all.

I am looking for a time building in USA, and I have looooot of doubts about he famous shared time..

It sounds really useful talking about reducing costs..

How does it works? Must I have an IR rating? and the other pilot?

How they (the schools) can write those PIC hours down in BOTH logbooks?

It is so confuse...

Thank you in advance!
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Old 12th Aug 2014, 14:11
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Crazy prices.

Im not gonna pay those quantities for a c150...

Im heading USA to save some money, not to spend much more than in my country.. haha

more feedbacks guys! I need help!
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Old 12th Aug 2014, 15:16
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It operates under FAR Part 91.109(b)(1)

It applies to FAA hours only and you must have an FAA IR.

It will not count towards EASA.

Some NAA's provide guidance on this :
Logging of Flight Hours gained in the USA
Some flight hour recording practices allowable in the USA do not comply with European
and UK requirements. In particular:
• 2 pilots flying together in a single pilot aircraft both claiming P1 hours;
• One pilot accompanying another on news gathering or traffic control flights and
claiming P1/PIC when they have not acted as Captain or signed for the aircraft.
Flying hours of this nature cannot be credited towards the requirements for Part-FCL
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 22:26
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I can not believe no one would like to do a time building in USA....

I have preselect 3 schools:

1. FLORIDA FLYERS
2. DEAN INTERNATIONAL
3. CHANDLER AVIATION SERVICE.

My favourite is Florida Flyers, but if someone wants to go to other place , I could adapt.

I would like as soon as possible, maximum february...
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 23:39
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big grecian, if they don't file IFR plan, fly in VMC only, why does the pilot under hood or the safety pilot acting as PIC, as per the 'safety pilot' regs, mauled ad nauseum all over internet, NEED Instrument Rating?

yeah, agree, some European newbies see the 50% OFF and go overly excited, without knowing the FAA specifics and limited usefulness for Europe.

I'll briefly say it again, CL215:
being safety pilot, ie watching for traffic/staying in VMC if applicable/responsible for safety, only counts for FAA flight experience if all the rules are followed. Safety pilot, if in IMC, needs to be instrument rated and current. If flying on instrument plan, there must be designated instrument rated current PIC. If you want 100% legal EASA/CASA etc PIC hours, you don't fly with another rated pilot and just fly solo.

You could in theory find pilot who only needs FAA loggable hours, doesn't mind sitting there while you do all the flying and you're happy to be under hood all the time in air from taking off to couple hundred feet high before landing. If you want to do some instrument approaches practice, it'd be prudent to have that safety pilot legal to be PIC on IFR plan, or stick to VFR/VMC only (which could be troublesome, mixing with IFR training flights in area trying to do the same as them).

Also, sticking to the rules, how much fun would it be flying S&L staring at instruments/gages doing some interesting great scenery cross-country flights?

Yeah, good to have value and new experience, but don't try to be too much of a cheapskate and risk issues back in Europe or build plans on meeting someone online and then something falls through and you or both get very upset for one reason or another.

If you were to fly under hood in ACTUAL/IMC, then you'd need to be legal to fly under IFR/IMC, ie rated, current, licensed, medical. Then the safety pilot strictly speaking wouldn't be manipulating controls nor 'required' to see and avoid traffic/terrain in IMC, so technically not loggable for him/her.

Without doing any promo for any school/company, I'm pasting AOPA link. Beware that US AOPA doesn't consider Europe or elsewhere, where there's meant to be only one PIC in single pilot aircraft. Being safety pilot, even if the European chap under hood 'signs for aircraft', means ACTING as PIC, ie legally required there and responsible for safety, which can be concluded as performing duties of PIC in Europe.

Logging Pilot-in-Command (PIC) Time - AOPA

Whatever you do, think it through, do proper research, check and ensure you have plenty paperwork to show for your flights if questioned/asked for evidence other than logbook entries.
If you team up with someone for more enjoyable travel and 'take turns' and spend double time in air, strictly having one designated for the flight, without any of the safety pilot stuff, it may work out. If it doesn't, personalities, finance and whatnot, do not be too surprised. Just a well-meant reminder.
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Old 15th Aug 2014, 01:21
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I Was in Florida flyiers years ago....best one!!!
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 09:18
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I found this on the net
https://engineering.purdue.edu/PPI/safetypilot.php

I am going back to US for time bulding and split time sounds good,I have a FAA PPL
Probably having already an IFR rating should help , not sure ;I am spending time on the web doing research on this topic.

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Old 19th Aug 2014, 15:45
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I am preparing all paperwork to go to Florida an a question appears:

Someone knows if I need to get an english radioelephony proficiency before heading Florida?

Or it is automatically converted once they convert my JAA spanish license into an FAA license?

Thank you in advance!
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Old 20th Aug 2014, 01:52
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i have an interesting question. lets say you have to fly at least 4 hours everyday for 15-20 days. what kind of route would you choose? always stay in florida or have couple of long x-c?
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Old 20th Aug 2014, 02:54
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CL215,


They will talk to you when you go the FSDO to receive your certificate. If you understand what they say and reply back, you can understand and speak English. And they'll have you read a paragraph of an airplane manual and explain it. And write a couple ATC clearances they give and read them back. Do all that and you are FAA English proficient.
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 11:10
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I am preparing all paperwork to go to Florida an a question appears:

Someone knows if I need to get an english radioelephony proficiency before heading Florida?

Or it is automatically converted once they convert my JAA spanish license into an FAA license?

Thank you in advance!
You don't need an RT license as it is included within your FAA License as long as you stay within USA. I would highly recommend Sunstate Aviation at KISM. I did my CFI and CFII with them. New aircraft all 172 sp and most have G1000.
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 12:16
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Hi all, I'm looking for some flight school or club in Bakersfield who rents a plane for some hour building. Anyone has had recent experience there?
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 15:16
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You don't need an RT license as it is included within your FAA License as long as you stay within USA.

There's no FCC radio telephone license "included within" a FAA certificate. The FCC does not require a pilot to hold a RT license if they are flying in domestic airspace. There is the requirement to be "English Proficient" and the testing is done as part of issuing the certificate.
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Old 22nd Sep 2014, 21:39
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Hi has anyone done any hour building at Europe-America Aviation at Naples ?
Was looking for a place that rent Diamond Aircraft in USA to do some hour building while over on holiday anyone got any reviews of reputable schools in Florida or California ?

Thanks
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Old 28th Sep 2014, 16:01
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Hi all,
I've just found the Bakersfield flying club who has good rent rates with c172 and c150 both with garmin gps. Is there anyone who flew there or who has any feedback? There aren't enough information on this club as it was founded only in 2011
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Old 9th Oct 2014, 00:43
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Nothing wrong with Bakersfield per se. It is in the middle of nowhere and so when you are not flying there is nothing to do.
Personally, I prefer to start from somewhere reasonably nice near the coast.
If you want somewhere small with no frills - take a look at Santa Paula.
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Old 10th Oct 2014, 22:30
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Do you mean cp aviation for example?
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