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My dream - advice please (collective thread)

Old 29th Sep 2020, 21:15
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Do your PPL and see how it goes. Don’t give up the day job.
As for professional employment as a pilot, plan on not before 2024
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 17:52
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Hello there,

I am a Russian citizen currently in year 10 of school (I graduate in 2022 and turn 18 in 2023). I have excellent English knowledge and am good in maths and physics, am physically fit too.

Due to my eyesight (astigmatism) I am unable to obtain a Russian medical certificate, so the only option of pilot training I'm looking at right now is integrated ATPL courses (cadet programs endorsed by airlines) Europe. Now the problem is, obviously, that I am a Russian citizen. Most flight schools require EU/EEA citizenship.

The only one I found that might work for me is Wizz Air Academy, because they only require you to be a citizen of one of their base countries (thankfully, Wizz is opening a base in my city this year). It is also attractive to me because the upfront cost is only 15000 euros.

My question is: Is there a real chance of me getting into the Wizz Air program vs say, a EU citizen? If not, are there any other schools that do not require EU citizenship to enroll?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 11:28
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Since when do you have to be an EU citizen to study in the EU? With the correct visa you should be able to go to flight school anywhere. As for 15,000 - that's probably just the upfront cost, the total will be 4-5 times that amount. There is a huge pilot surplus at the moment, so you won't find an airline to sponsor you unfortunately.
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 11:32
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Most airline endorsed integrated ATPL programs that I've seen (Air Baltic, for example) require that you hold an EU/EEA/CH passport to apply. In any case, I doubt they'd be likely to pick me over any EU citizen, considering the pilot surplus.

The €15,000 is indeed just the upfront cost - however- the rest is paid off via increments off your salary after you've been released from line training as an Airbus FO - which I think is a very good thing.
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 21:51
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I think you've been misinformed, that's about as believable as seeing a unicorn.
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 07:55
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Ermak,
Even if you self sponsor your training, let it be modular or integrated, you will not be eligible to work in EU without residence permit and believe me it is impossible to get one nowadays. You will return to your country broke and try to validate your licence , but for this you will need a Russian medical class 2. Even with a validated licence, airlines won't hire you without a university degree. I know a lot of talented Russian guys who gambled with EASA licence and ended up with nothing and that was in a precrisis era. I suggest you move on and get a good university degree and a stable career and maybe in your mid 20s come and talk to us again.
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 20:27
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That's quite unfortunate, thanks for the information though.

I still have the reserve option of going to a Russian aviation university, but there's a hiccup with obtaining a medical (could possibly get eye surgery to circumvent that).

The main reason I wanted to try EU is because I believe that the Russian aviation philosophy is incorrect and unsafe, starting from the way pilots are taught to fly and going all the way up to how management treats safety-related issues.

I guess there's no easy way, haha! Either way, I'll give it a try. "Make them tell you no", as C. W. Lemoine says...

If I do get in somehow, be it in EASA or Russia, I'll check in here with my experience in a couple of years.

Thanks everyone for the advice!
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 07:06
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William Pitt the Younger, gave some accurate advice (1806) which is probably apposite for those thinking about embarking on a flying career. “Roll up the map of Europe.......”

He quoted 10 years. Plan on somewhere in the region of five years.
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