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My dream - advice please (collective thread)

Old 23rd Aug 2018, 19:28
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Originally Posted by Tommyc9494 View Post
Hi everyone Iím new to this form so apologies if iv put this in the wrong place or if this question has already been asked by someone else I couldnít find one that was close enough to my situation Iím ideally hoping to speak to commercial airline pilots who have entered the industry in a similar way to Iím hoping to or anyone with flight experience

So Iíll try to explain my situation as best as I can I was born with leg problems which resulted in me having operations from the age of one and they never stopped again till about the age of 18 Iím now in my early 20s and all is thankfully well but due to my 20+ operations I missed a lot of time in school and was there for placed in the lower sets where tbh I under achieved drastically because of a few reasons one I was still missing on average 3 months a year and when I was in attendance I never put any effort in because to be blunt I was leaps ahead of the kids in my group so I never needed to what an idiot I was in fact I had teachers say Iím an under achiever and proud of it then to top it off when I reached year 11 I was diagnosed with severe dyslexia due to these reasons I left with grades ranging from cs to es and went straight into work

At the age of about 20 I decided to apply to easyJetís academy if I recall correctly but put my sisters grades on I got invited to attend an interview and to sit a few assessments but they also wanted my gcse certificates so I never went and then at the age of 22 I got a flight experience bought for me and when I went up I spoke about how Iíd love to be a commercial airline pilot and that I should go for it because Iím a natural he was probably trying to sell me lessons though lol but he did point out something I read about not needing gcse as long as I had the correct license

So my questions are

1 Obviously knowing Iíd never get into an airlines academy if I did decide to pay the huge costs to become fully qualified what would my chances be of getting a job with my grades

2 am I even going to pass a medical with my lower leg condition even though itís all sorted know it was club foot and was rather severe in my younger years

3 and finally iv currently got about 10 k towards flying lessons or investing into a business but that is still way short of what I need to become qualified in the field so Iíd have to get a loan or some sort of finance to complete the training would that be possible

Thank you all in advance
Before worrying about anything else book in for an assessment for your Class 1 Medical. Its pointless worrying about grades etc before knowing that your body is up to it. It is an expensive process (£500 ish) but even if you can't get a class 1, you may be able to get Class 2 which will allow you to fly on a PPL.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 08:07
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Originally Posted by BaronVonBarnstormer View Post
Before worrying about anything else book in for an assessment for your Class 1 Medical. Its pointless worrying about grades etc before knowing that your body is up to it. It is an expensive process (£500 ish) but even if you can't get a class 1, you may be able to get Class 2 which will allow you to fly on a PPL.

hi thanks for getting back to me that sounds like a great starting point for myself iv had a little read into some of them this morning and apparently they take about 4 hours and include even include lung test so could I also fail on that for smoking/slight asthma I am in the process of quitting though and say if I was to fail on the day but am able to pass a class2 would I be passed for that automatically instead or would I need to pay for another exam
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Old 25th Aug 2018, 08:38
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Class 1 medical seems like a massive deal for someone who hasn't done it, but actually it's not too bad. The spirometry tests aren't extensive, a simple blow in and out of breath, and you should have no problems provided your vision can be corrected to 20/20 and your hearing doesn't require any aids, you should be fine.
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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 12:49
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In the beginning when I had no clue, I started with Class 1 medical instead of class2..... was not a big deal

Originally Posted by jamesgrainge View Post
Class 1 medical seems like a massive deal for someone who hasn't done it, but actually it's not too bad. The spirometry tests aren't extensive, a simple blow in and out of breath, and you should have no problems provided your vision can be corrected to 20/20 and your hearing doesn't require any aids, you should be fine.
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 16:08
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To start sooner rather than later?

Hi all,

I was hoping I could receive from guidance from anyone who may have been in a similar situation to myself or even some general pointers as they would be much appreciated. Essentially, I'm not sure if I should start my training with a decent chunk (a third) of money saved or to wait till I've saved the overwhelming majority and to then start training.

I'm currently a 20 year old working in an Accountancy firm on a higher level apprenticeship. The pay is relatively decent and by the end of 2020, I should have around £20k saved and I think this will cover off a PPL, ATPL Theory and some of the Hours Building. I will continue to work whilst training and therefore able to continue to save money however, I can't help but think, I'll most likely burn through the £20k and then I may need to stop/start to save for the CPL/ME/IR and I'm assuming the lack of continuity will naturally hinder my development. However, if I wait till I'm around 26-27, I should hopefully be qualified with an ACA and consequently able to save up around £60k which will hopefully cover off the overwhelming majority of my training. One of the reasons I would like to start a PPL relatively soon is aside from my desire to do so, I've attended a cadet program assessment day in the past for Aer Lingus, they had questioned why I hadn't commenced on my flying lessons and consequently not really shown a commitment to aviation yet which was fair enough. I'm not implying this is the reason why I did not get in, as every candidate I met there was highly talented and I'm sure they picked the best ones although it was a valid point. However, I can imagine that if I did get a PPL and then decide to stop there for a few years until I had enough for an CPL/ME/IR there would be regular ongoing costs to maintain my PPL which wouldn't be efficient as I'd much rather use that money to develop further

Any advice/personal anecdotes you may have would be much appreciated.
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 22:57
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Personally, I wanted to have everything in place, money in hand (or most of it), and a plan written down. As I learn more and more, it seems that to get to that point (if ever!!), I'll need loads of time and silly amounts of research to cover every possibility. I may come to regret this down the line but I've had enough of planning and I've decided to say "fk it!!" and step off the cliff. I want to fly and commercial was a way to do it and get paid, but I have to remember that I want to fly more than I want to get paid. In the end of all this, if I end up with an airline job, then it's a big win. If all I end up with is a PPL and an odd flight every now and again, it's still a very good win. I guess it all boils down to what you really, really want in the end.

Another thing I've considered is the saving part --- knowing myself, if I had a good chunk of money saved up, I'm sure to have some odd side project that will take up my time and money, thus leading me further and further away from my goal in both time and resources. By closing my eyes and taking the plunge, I've committed myself to this.... any money saved MUST go to flying or else I'll lose my skills and would have to fly some more to keep up. Any money saved MUST go to more lessons to get better. I wager once I've had a good taste of flight, it'll draw me in more and more and it'll just happen.

Lastly, I have to be in it to win it. I could save up for 5 years and do all my training in one go, but who knows what opportunities I missed on those 5 years? I'd rather start now and be in it and be ready and available for opportunities that arise. Who knows, one of those opportunities just might be a solution to my financial problem!

Not saying you should follow what I'm saying, just putting my thoughts to words here and trying to convince myself that I've not gone bonkers!!
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 10:52
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Now is the time to get into the industry. Every year you wait will make your pilot career a year shorter, which equates to £100k+ in today's money. I'd go and check your credit score.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 16:03
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I recently spoke to a Channex skipper after my flight who recommended that I do whatever it takes to get that licence and get a job. He was very direct with me which I massively appreciated. He basically said its all fun and games mostly right now but when the market takes a downturn and you can't get a job you'll be wishing you took that small bank loan to cover the rest of your training. Can't say I disagree, he seemed like a very wise man with plenty of experience under his belt. I believe he was a training captain so he knew a lot about the types of guys coming through the door.
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Old 4th Nov 2018, 17:36
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Career change, qualifications advice?

Hi guys just after a bit of advice from people in a similar situation so myself and would like to know what they did.

Basically Iím 26 qualified heating and gas engineer looking at a career change to become a pilot, started my ppl recently. I have been looking into modular course requirements which from different schools are conflicting.

So I have maths and English c gcse and other subjects but a d in science ( didnít think I needed it at the time is never studied for it!!) I also have heating nvq level 2 and 3 and gas qualifications.

My concern is the science. I went to the pilot road show yesterday and was told different things from different schools 2 said doesnít matter wonít affect you and couple others said I need to redo it as it will affect my chances with an employer.

After some thoughts I am planning to redo it anyway as I thing it hopefully will be good prep for whatís to come, when Iíve looked at courses things seemed to have changed I cannot find gcse science for adults easily mostly I see science biology or science physics? The phsyics is what Iím thinking of doing, do you think this will be sufficient instead of my gcse science d?

Thanks in advance sorry for the long post
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Old 5th Nov 2018, 15:22
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Hi guys just after a bit of advice from people in a similar situation so myself and would like to know what they did.

Basically Iím 26 qualified heating and gas engineer looking at a career change to become a pilot, started my ppl recently. I have been looking into modular course requirements which from different schools are conflicting.

So I have maths and English c gcse and other subjects but a d in science ( didnít think I needed it at the time is never studied for it!!) I also have heating nvq level 2 and 3 and gas qualifications.

My concern is the science. I went to the pilot road show yesterday and was told different things from different schools 2 said doesnít matter wonít affect you and couple others said I need to redo it as it will affect my chances with an employer.

After some thoughts I am planning to redo it anyway as I thing it hopefully will be good prep for whatís to come, when Iíve looked at courses things seemed to have changed I cannot find gcse science for adults easily mostly I see science biology or science physics? The phsyics is what Iím thinking of doing, do you think this will be sufficient instead of my gcse science d?

Thanks in advance sorry for the long post
Jason
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Old 5th Nov 2018, 17:27
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sorry I just deleted the last message in inbox to make space, you can try again
thanks

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Old 13th Nov 2018, 11:38
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CAE Madrid atpl or FTA shoreham integrated?

I currently have a space with cae for their Madrid atpl whitetail training, however it's expensive and I would have to pay for my living costs abroad. FTA shoreham on the other hand is more local and I could easily commute, stay at home plus it's cheaper. Does anyone know why it's cheaper? Would I be missing out or getting a worse training? Harder to get work afterwards?
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Old 9th Dec 2018, 12:41
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I found this recent YouTube channel set up by a chap who used to fly for Easyjet and more recently as a Captain with BA.

His channel is dedicated to providing advice to wannabes but more importantly the guy has given up his career as an airline pilot and his channel explains why he took this decision and tracks the next chapter in his career development.

The following clip contains up to date information to help anyone flirting with the idea of pursuing a career as an airline pilot:

Watch "Should you become an airline pilot in 2018 or 2019" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/Q4yOnxogNHE

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Old 9th Dec 2018, 13:56
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but more importantly the guy has given up his career as an airline pilot
Just a question - has he? He was last heard of (post his “today I’m leaving BA” video) heading for a A330 contract in China.
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Old 9th Dec 2018, 20:24
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Just a question - has he?
It would appear not, yet...

He mentions he is on a 4 year contract and is aiming to transition to his "other" career (I believe it is app development?) at the end of the contract.
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Old 5th Jan 2019, 14:19
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Becoming a pilot.

Dear all,

​​​​​​I am sure this has been asked many times and infact answered many times throughout the journey of this forum. However, if you could take the time to answer for my specifics it would be greatly appreciated. I did look at the stickys and wondered if posts or replies from 2013 could perhaps be outdated? I'm not going to waste your time telling you my story since I've already wasted enough time.

So I finished mech engineering and now I want to be a pilot. I want to do it ASAP so preferably a fully integrated course as I'm already 24. My father can pay for it but obviously, cheaper the better. I've spoken to a few pilots and they all point towards America. I am from the UK so that would mean I need to do a conversion course which i am not fussed about but, however I've recieved mixed answers from a few people I know. Some say conversion courses cost no money but a bit of time and some say it is really expensive and not worth it. I really cannot see doing it in the UK and paying up to 95k when doing it in America could be as cheap as 50k. Obviously accommodation and food needs to considered into the overall payments. So I really would like someone experienced to shed some light into this please.

Furthermore, if America is the most optimal place to do it, or wherever it is, would someone mind shedding some light into any good academies that I should be looking into? And before anyone asks, this is the only thing I want to do. The pilots I spoke to said there is a "shortage of pilots in the near future" but of course I won't go forward fully dependent on that. I want to go forward as I'm sure this is the only thing I want to do. Sorry about the long post and thank you very much for reading.

Kind regards,

Newbi
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Old 5th Jan 2019, 23:51
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Hi Newbi,



I am in a very similar position to yourself and I am considering the modular approach through Wings Alliance. This is a much cheaper way of obtaining a fATPL, and allows flexibility with your training i.e. you can do part of it in the UK, and your CPL for example elsewhere. Have you considered this?


Best regards,


Joshua
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Old 6th Jan 2019, 01:01
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Hey joshua

Yeah as I was researching further today. I think modular is the best approach. I'd like to do it ASAP, preferably within a year if possible. The whole thing I mean. But it's so confusing. If someone could list me the detailed breakdown, it would be amazing. For example I read a post where someone would do their ppl in South Africa. But my friend who's a pilot says you'd then need to convert that back to uk which costs more money. But simply doing a ppl from uk is vastly more expensive than doing it anywhere else it seems. Furthermore, what is with the exams? Can I do it in my own time and just attend the exams? Would that be cheaper? And then the hours later on, can I do that anywhere or does that somehow need to be converted to UK too? And then just do the cpl in UK? What about the things you do after cpl to get you fATPL?

I must be annoying you by now Joshua, but I'm really really confused.
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Thank you very much for your reply though. Hopefully you might be able to provide better insight for me.

Kind regards,

Newbi
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Old 7th Jan 2019, 12:37
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Yeah as I was researching further today. I think modular is the best approach. I'd like to do it ASAP, preferably within a year if possible. The whole thing I mean. But it's so confusing. If someone could list me the detailed breakdown, it would be amazing. For example I read a post where someone would do their ppl in South Africa. But my friend who's a pilot says you'd then need to convert that back to uk which costs more money. But simply doing a ppl from uk is vastly more expensive than doing it anywhere else it seems. Furthermore, what is with the exams? Can I do it in my own time and just attend the exams? Would that be cheaper? And then the hours later on, can I do that anywhere or does that somehow need to be converted to UK too? And then just do the cpl in UK? What about the things you do after cpl to get you fATPL?

I must be annoying you by now Joshua, but I'm really really confused.
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Thank you very much for your reply though. Hopefully you might be able to provide better insight for me.

Kind regards,

Newbi

Morning Newbi,


I am in similar position to yourself. I graduated in December 2017 having studied Aero Engineering at University for 3 years.

I realised that an integrated route was not the option for me due to hefty financial demand and large instalments, so I did some research, attended a pilots careers live event at Heathrow (highly recommend), and stumbled across Wings Alliance who are an alliance of smaller approved flight training organisations. This modular route would allow me to take the course in my own time (exams and hour building at your own pay as you go pace - obviously there are recommendations as to how often you should fly in order to maximise the efficiency of your training), and possibly do this along side a well salaried engineering role.

If if you have a degree - use it! Find a well payed job and youíll be off at a good start. I believe that the modular route shows you are independent and more determined to study off your own back.

Another positive to note re Wings Alliance, apparently they work closely with airlines such as Jet2.com, and they will take care of you right until you land your first officer role. They will check over CVs and will put your application forward to airlines.

With regards to learning to fly in America... A close family friend of mine is a pilot in America, and can instruct on multi engine aircraft. This may be an option to me when I get to that stage, and I believe this could be an option later on the course with Wings Alliance, so long they approve the training that I undertake. I believe it is cheaper to learn in America, however there is a conversion cost to it. This is one of the perks to WA, you can do your training as and when, where you want.


Hope this answered some of your questions - I have an interview with Wings Alliance at the end of the month (another great aspect of their support - they interview you, so they are confident you have all qualities airlines will look for before you spend any money).
All the best with the training.

BR.

Joshua


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