My dream - advice please (collective thread)
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From: Ireland
Advice
Hi folks,
I’m relatively new here. First off, I want to say that this site has been immensely helpful.
I am 26 years old. My dream, since childhood, was to be a pilot. Unfortunatley, along the way, I had been ‘put off’, regarding the funding needed.
Fast forward a number of years, I have reclaimed that desire to become a pilot, it is frequently on my mind. Recently, got a decently paid job (Design Engineer) and now looking for that dream to become reality. My dilemma is, regarding my current role, I am contemplating, switching another role, within the company, to help save the necessary funds. The new role would require frequent travelling, but accommodation and other expenses, will be covered for, by the company, therefore allowing me to save a good amount of funds.
I previously applied to he 'Aer Lingus 2018 FFP' program and the 2019, but withdrew this year.
I aim to complete my ‘EASA Initial Class 1 Medical’, within the next 2 months. I want to start my PPL, soon, but I’m unsure of which school/club to join. I will want to gradually make my way to become an airline pilot. I am from Northern Ireland.
I’m relatively new here. First off, I want to say that this site has been immensely helpful.
I am 26 years old. My dream, since childhood, was to be a pilot. Unfortunatley, along the way, I had been ‘put off’, regarding the funding needed.
Fast forward a number of years, I have reclaimed that desire to become a pilot, it is frequently on my mind. Recently, got a decently paid job (Design Engineer) and now looking for that dream to become reality. My dilemma is, regarding my current role, I am contemplating, switching another role, within the company, to help save the necessary funds. The new role would require frequent travelling, but accommodation and other expenses, will be covered for, by the company, therefore allowing me to save a good amount of funds.
I previously applied to he 'Aer Lingus 2018 FFP' program and the 2019, but withdrew this year.
I aim to complete my ‘EASA Initial Class 1 Medical’, within the next 2 months. I want to start my PPL, soon, but I’m unsure of which school/club to join. I will want to gradually make my way to become an airline pilot. I am from Northern Ireland.
Last edited by CMM92; 11th September 2019 at 13:49. Reason: New details

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From: United Kingdom
CMM92,
Hope you are well.
Sounds like you are in a similar position to myself. I am currently working on my PPL, via a modular route. Studying and learning to fly in my free time, when I am not at work.
I strongly suggest getting the Initial Class 1 under your belt. It’s a big investment, but will honestly tell you whether you have a standing chance to become an airline pilot. It’s better to get this done first, than further down the line after investing so much in your hour building etc.
I’m more than willing to chat over DM. Drop us a line.
Best regards.
Joined: Aug 2019
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From: Ireland
Hello FP,
Thanks for some your advice. Regarding the other job role, that may potentially happen, would it be wise to accept it, save up as much as I can and then do flight-training or continue with my current role, save up a bit and do flight training.I have seen that advice posted alot, so I have the Class 1 medical booked for the end of November. I am slightly nervous about failing it, but I am optimistic.
Thanks again, mate, any more questions I’ll send you a message.

Joined: Nov 2019
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From: United Kingdom
Shortlisting Schools for CPL ME/IR Training
I'm in the process of shortlisting flying schools with a view to visiting them in the next few months in order to come to a final decision. At present, I'm thinking of looking at the following:
Bournemouth Commercial Flight Training
Stapleford Flight Centre
Diamond Flight Academy
Bartolini Air
From looking at previous posts here, they all appear to have good feedback. I was wondering if there are any others I should seriously consider adding to the list or if anyone has comments about my existing choices. I'm interested in any schools in the UK or Europe. Thanks you in advance for any feedback!
Bournemouth Commercial Flight Training
Stapleford Flight Centre
Diamond Flight Academy
Bartolini Air
From looking at previous posts here, they all appear to have good feedback. I was wondering if there are any others I should seriously consider adding to the list or if anyone has comments about my existing choices. I'm interested in any schools in the UK or Europe. Thanks you in advance for any feedback!
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From: Portugal
All of them are one of the best and more serious schools in Europe. I believe if you decide to any of them, you will be well served.
Bartolini count with 1 year waiting list. If you are ready at any moment you might be lucky and pick a spot from someone that gave up but the current waiting time is around 1 year. I believe is more of less the same situation for Diamond but maybe other people can conform this.
Good luck
Bartolini count with 1 year waiting list. If you are ready at any moment you might be lucky and pick a spot from someone that gave up but the current waiting time is around 1 year. I believe is more of less the same situation for Diamond but maybe other people can conform this.
Good luck

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From: IOM
Can't comment on the others but Stapleford are highly recommended.
I completed MEP, CPL MEIR there recently, in minimum hours, on budget, with first time passes thanks to the excellent instruction and support. Took 3 months from start to finish (almost to the day). On the budget front, my net spend at the end of everything was within £200 of the quotation I received. Can't really argue with that - nothing was hidden or misleading. Also the commercial team are fully dedicated to getting everything sorted for you and are top notch.
On site accommodation is perfectly reasonable, nothing special, but lets face it you're there to fly!
I completed MEP, CPL MEIR there recently, in minimum hours, on budget, with first time passes thanks to the excellent instruction and support. Took 3 months from start to finish (almost to the day). On the budget front, my net spend at the end of everything was within £200 of the quotation I received. Can't really argue with that - nothing was hidden or misleading. Also the commercial team are fully dedicated to getting everything sorted for you and are top notch.
On site accommodation is perfectly reasonable, nothing special, but lets face it you're there to fly!
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From: Arizona
100 percent without a doubt must obtain a college degree to be competitive when applying for a job with one of the major commercial airlines (in the United States at least.) I would recommend your idea of ERAU or another University offering programs that partner with Airlines. Here are a few others: Arizona State University, Purdue University, University of North Dakota, Oklahoma State University. You can find additional University options by going to AeroSearcher and typing in “aviation universities” to the general aviation tab. Good luck!
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From: Warsaw
Starting ATPL course, becoming a pilot
Hi, this is my first post here on PPRuNe.
I'm 19, I'm from Poland and this year I want to start the ATPL course. Right now I am considering the options I have and which path should I take to become an airline pilot: should I do the integrated ATPL in a private school, apply to the academies like BAA training or go directly to the airline and join something like WizzAir cadet program.
Is it worth paying much more and is that increasing my chances of finding a good job in the future as a pilot?
I would love some advice, feedbacks
Thanks
I'm 19, I'm from Poland and this year I want to start the ATPL course. Right now I am considering the options I have and which path should I take to become an airline pilot: should I do the integrated ATPL in a private school, apply to the academies like BAA training or go directly to the airline and join something like WizzAir cadet program.
Is it worth paying much more and is that increasing my chances of finding a good job in the future as a pilot?
I would love some advice, feedbacks
Thanks

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From: UK
Starting a 3/4 year uni course in autumn 2020 is probably about as sensible option as you can go for right now - certainly not a 16 month flight training course!
The world is on pause and you need to figure out how you can ride out that pause. Either work in whatever you can find, although that limits earning potential, or perhaps study in an inexpensive manner. University in my country is fairy expensive, but relatively affordable considering the three to four years it takes to get a degree and loans on offer.
Pick a valuable course, the only sure thing about coronavirus is that nations are going to have to increase their budgets for biological sciences and virology so a degree in that field is probably your safest bet if you’ve got the qualifications. Medicine is always a good shot, but you need to be best in your school for science and realistically, if that was the case, your teachers would be pushing you in that direction anyway without having to defer to PPrune.
2020 is categorically not the year to embark on a flight training course. Aviation will never be the same. The earliest I’d imagine it would return to 2019 levels is perhaps 2024-5? Ride this gap out doing something useful and constructive as a flight training course is, totally redundant right now!
The world is on pause and you need to figure out how you can ride out that pause. Either work in whatever you can find, although that limits earning potential, or perhaps study in an inexpensive manner. University in my country is fairy expensive, but relatively affordable considering the three to four years it takes to get a degree and loans on offer.
Pick a valuable course, the only sure thing about coronavirus is that nations are going to have to increase their budgets for biological sciences and virology so a degree in that field is probably your safest bet if you’ve got the qualifications. Medicine is always a good shot, but you need to be best in your school for science and realistically, if that was the case, your teachers would be pushing you in that direction anyway without having to defer to PPrune.
2020 is categorically not the year to embark on a flight training course. Aviation will never be the same. The earliest I’d imagine it would return to 2019 levels is perhaps 2024-5? Ride this gap out doing something useful and constructive as a flight training course is, totally redundant right now!
Joined: Apr 2020
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From: London
CPL Or ATPL
It has always been my dream to be an airline pilot however I did not take A level Maths and Physics because my GCSE grades didn't allow me to. I then found out that if I wanted to do an ATPL course I need A level Maths and Physics or I have to do a CPL but I won't be able to fly for an airline with that. Is there any way that I can do my ATPL without the A level Maths and Physics as a requirement.
Thanks
Thanks
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From: Germany
The only requirements for self-funded ATPL are class 1 medical and PPL (private pilot) license. You will only need elementary level knowledge of maths & physics to complete ATPL. Airlines may then have their own entry requirements which may require A level maths/physics or university degree etc.
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From: Lisbon
covid- new students, hiring
Hi everyone
I see some people asking about going to flight school now, Wizz cadet (doubt they will have one now), my opinion, and this is my opinion, if you are young, get a degree, have a back up plan if you can, or maybe consider going the modular path.
Currently and in Europe only, there are a few thousand pilots unemployed, and im pretty sure once this picks up, they will be the first ones getting employed by the "surviving companies" this, if they need them.
I think at least until 2023 the hiring will be veryyy slow.
I see some people asking about going to flight school now, Wizz cadet (doubt they will have one now), my opinion, and this is my opinion, if you are young, get a degree, have a back up plan if you can, or maybe consider going the modular path.
Currently and in Europe only, there are a few thousand pilots unemployed, and im pretty sure once this picks up, they will be the first ones getting employed by the "surviving companies" this, if they need them.
I think at least until 2023 the hiring will be veryyy slow.
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From: Globally
Advice for flying career
Hi all,
I seek your advice as I plan to pursue a career in aviation in Australia.
Corona will make things very difficult for an inexperienced pilot over the coming several years so I feel it's important to go about my studies gradually and with a plan in mind.
Initially I had intended to fly rotorwing, though decided against this reasoning the career path more difficult than fixed wing and the mid/late career earning potential heavily favouring an airline job. To scratch a helicopter itch I can always fly as a hobby in the future.
I'm 26 and have sufficient funds to cover my study and living expenses without relying upon full-time work. I'm not interested in pursuing an office job in future or continuing in self-employment at present so thought investing in myself and a flying career to be worthwhile.
I had intended to commence an integrated course early next year however will instead opt for a modular route and gradual self study with textbooks and online resources. When I return to Australia I was thinking of relocating to Townsville. Can you recommend schools/aero clubs/contacts in this region for me to consider? I thought it might also be beneficial to take excursions to other places across the state and elsewhere to build hours, diverse experience and networks.
I've been keenly reading the advice posted here about suggestions for new students and the nearterm uncertainty caused by coronavirus. As a result I'm thinking to acquire my PPL and gradually chip away at hours and theory exams. I'll delay finishing my CPL until international travel returns and only then should i start adding IR, multi engine and other endorsements.
Its not fantastic timing though perhaps not off by much if I can acquire my CPL in mid 2022. I believe that within the next 4-5 years the industry will rebound and that this crisis and the coming economic crisis (note: you should not be buying stocks here, you should be playing defensive) will present a new opportunities.
Thanks for any advice you have.
I seek your advice as I plan to pursue a career in aviation in Australia.
Corona will make things very difficult for an inexperienced pilot over the coming several years so I feel it's important to go about my studies gradually and with a plan in mind.
Initially I had intended to fly rotorwing, though decided against this reasoning the career path more difficult than fixed wing and the mid/late career earning potential heavily favouring an airline job. To scratch a helicopter itch I can always fly as a hobby in the future.
I'm 26 and have sufficient funds to cover my study and living expenses without relying upon full-time work. I'm not interested in pursuing an office job in future or continuing in self-employment at present so thought investing in myself and a flying career to be worthwhile.
I had intended to commence an integrated course early next year however will instead opt for a modular route and gradual self study with textbooks and online resources. When I return to Australia I was thinking of relocating to Townsville. Can you recommend schools/aero clubs/contacts in this region for me to consider? I thought it might also be beneficial to take excursions to other places across the state and elsewhere to build hours, diverse experience and networks.
I've been keenly reading the advice posted here about suggestions for new students and the nearterm uncertainty caused by coronavirus. As a result I'm thinking to acquire my PPL and gradually chip away at hours and theory exams. I'll delay finishing my CPL until international travel returns and only then should i start adding IR, multi engine and other endorsements.
Its not fantastic timing though perhaps not off by much if I can acquire my CPL in mid 2022. I believe that within the next 4-5 years the industry will rebound and that this crisis and the coming economic crisis (note: you should not be buying stocks here, you should be playing defensive) will present a new opportunities.
Thanks for any advice you have.

Joined: Dec 2005
Aviation Qualifications: ATPL
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From: Hong Kong
At your age you've got time on your side - and nationality. Why not consider a few years in the US? You can get both fixed wing and helicopter CPLs for less than you'd spend in Australia for just fixed wing - and have the opportunity to instruct to build flight time and work for regionals on an E1.
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From: Globally
Thanks for this.
Aha, so things like SEIR (and others I'm assuming) are good to get during the course of CPL as they contribute hours towards CPL and will be necessary for first a first job anyway. This is what I'll have to try and figure out.
Learning in the US is an interesting idea, though i do have a spouse. I'll have to do some more research on E1 visa and school/location options.
Thanks so much.
Aha, so things like SEIR (and others I'm assuming) are good to get during the course of CPL as they contribute hours towards CPL and will be necessary for first a first job anyway. This is what I'll have to try and figure out.
Learning in the US is an interesting idea, though i do have a spouse. I'll have to do some more research on E1 visa and school/location options.
Thanks so much.
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From: Globally
I believe its the F1* visa you're talking about and there exists an F2 for spouse/dependants. I just had a brief look at some options for training and yeh its a whole lot cheaper. Looks like i can get CPL CFI CFII MEIR and multi engine CFI for around 70k- 80k, AUD whereas in aus this is running >120k.
Also AUD/USD is on the come up on the back of C19 and fed printing, so US training will only get "cheaper".
This looks like a great option, now to decide on california, arizona, florida, nevada or elsewhere for a school...
Also AUD/USD is on the come up on the back of C19 and fed printing, so US training will only get "cheaper".
This looks like a great option, now to decide on california, arizona, florida, nevada or elsewhere for a school...




