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My dream - advice please (collective thread)

Old 8th Mar 2019, 19:12
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The search facility is a little bit old and throwing up responses from 2004 etc. 18 months etc.

In today's market what is the expected wait time from fATPL to first job?
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 18:37
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Funding advice and training advice

Hello,

I am 34 in a week, from the UK and want to train to be a commercial pilot. I have worked in other careers in the past but nothing I have done has given me enough job satisfaction and I end up doing something else. I have worked in hospitality, as a hairdresser and as an outdoor education instructor (which I have a degree in). I do enjoy Outdoor ed but the pay is terrible, you would be lucky to earn 24k a year in a well paid job. I love travel and have been traveling for about 5 years now.
I worry that if I became a pilot I would get bored of it or would the job keep me interested? I would like to fly smaller aircraft's (such as the twin otter) as I would like to fly in more remote places.

Also i worry about funding. I have some savings at the moment (35000 GBP) but the modular training costs between 50-60k.Is it best to wait until I have all the funding before I start training in case I can not finish due to lack of funds or is it a good idea to get a loan for the last 20k or so? I would rather not wait another couple of years to save the extra money as I will be 36 before I start training. Also is it difficult to find a job as a new pilot? If I did get a loan I would need to start paying it back quite quickly so would need a job.

I wondered about becoming a flight instructor but I see its still more money than I have saved to do this so I am a bit stuck on what to do.

Any advice would be much appreciated, thank you

Steph
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 21:02
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Originally Posted by stephxox View Post
Hello,

I am 34 in a week, from the UK and want to train to be a commercial pilot. I have worked in other careers in the past but nothing I have done has given me enough job satisfaction and I end up doing something else. I have worked in hospitality, as a hairdresser and as an outdoor education instructor (which I have a degree in). I do enjoy Outdoor ed but the pay is terrible, you would be lucky to earn 24k a year in a well paid job. I love travel and have been traveling for about 5 years now.
I worry that if I became a pilot I would get bored of it or would the job keep me interested? I would like to fly smaller aircraft's (such as the twin otter) as I would like to fly in more remote places.

Also i worry about funding. I have some savings at the moment (35000 GBP) but the modular training costs between 50-60k.Is it best to wait until I have all the funding before I start training in case I can not finish due to lack of funds or is it a good idea to get a loan for the last 20k or so? I would rather not wait another couple of years to save the extra money as I will be 36 before I start training. Also is it difficult to find a job as a new pilot? If I did get a loan I would need to start paying it back quite quickly so would need a job.

I wondered about becoming a flight instructor but I see its still more money than I have saved to do this so I am a bit stuck on what to do.

Any advice would be much appreciated, thank you

Steph
​​​​​​​Yes you will get bored of airline flying after the initial 1-2 years it's interesting but it will become repetitive and the novelty will wear off. It's a fantastic job but it's not all glamorous and fun a lot of downsides to flying for an airline, I would only consider doing it if you are really passionate about aviation and will do whatever it takes to be a pilot

You mentioned more remote flying and flying smaller airplanes, I think that would be quite enjoyable and interesting flying

I would strongly advise against getting any loans for the training, Getting a loan for type rating if an airline requires you to self fund it would be where I would draw the line because at least on a type rating for an airline you know you have a job waiting for you at the end of it

If I was you I would do a PPL while you're working and see whether flying is for you or not, if you want to continue keep saving and do ATPL in the mean time, You can do the ATPL over 2 years if you would like because the timer of 18 months to finish all exams only starts from the first exam you sit so you can spend as long as you want studying for exams initially

My advice to you is only get into aviation if you're dead set on being a pilot and don't just do it because you think it sounds cool or fun, Training isn't easy and there are many difficult days on the training, i've seen people pack it all in or lose motivation along the way so only the people dedicated really get through in the end especially on a modular course where there is no hand holding and it's all up to you to motivate yourself and work through the difficulties
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Old 31st Mar 2019, 13:21
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Thank you for your reply being very honest.

I didn't expect it to be glamorous to be honest, its not really what I look for in a job, job satisfaction is one of the key points as like I said, I get bored easily which is why I think smaller aircraft and more remote flying would suit me better. I have a trail lesson booked for next week and as you suggested I will go ahead with my PPL and see how I go from there.

I don't think it sounds cool or fun and its something I had not thought of doing before. I think it could be interesting and challenging. I recently was working in a very remote place and they had pilots there that worked on twin otters, dash 7 and the bazler BT-67 and i never knew about this side of aviation before. I figured pilots flew large aircraft's from airport to airport and if you flew remote you had to be in the forces or something, naive I know but I never really thought about it.

What are the major difficulties in becoming a pilot?

Thank again

Steph
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Old 15th Apr 2019, 14:19
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Originally Posted by stephxox View Post

What are the major difficulties in becoming a pilot?
1. Hand-eye coordination - use your trial lesson to figure out if you have got it. Some people may have all the brains in the world but can't fly straight and level!
2. Mental arithmetic - you say you have a degree in PE, any maths in that? Can you do distance/speed/time problems while under pressure. Some people have all the hand-eye coordination but no mental maths ability!
3. Deep understanding of meteorology, aircraft tech and performance - lots of studying involved.
4. Resilience - can you bounce back after a good sortie, or a failed test flight?
5. Attitude - can you get on with all types of people? If not, can you compromise and learn to make the best of a bad pairing with a difficult Captain/Ops Manager?

These represent about 0.001% of the possible difficulties in becoming a professional pilot.

I was a military pilot for 5 years, then moved to a ground-based Ops job. I didn't even attempt the CPL/ATPL exams because I had started a family and just didn't want to fly for Lyin'Air or Sleazyjet. You must prioritise according to your age, commitments and cash!
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 21:24
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Type 2 Diabetes - UK & Ireland ONLY

So I am type 2 diabetic. Not insulin dependent. I take a couple of tablets a day. I have good blood sugar control.

Question is has anyone with type 2 diabetes gained their Class 1 medical and went on to the flying.

Plenty of posts about being a pilot and becoming diabetic but I am looking before the horse bolts!

The rules are different in the US and other countries so thats why I am asking about the UK & Ireland only.
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 22:29
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Originally Posted by 2_Deck_Dash View Post
Hello,

Newbie here, regular poster over on Arrse / Rumration.

So here’s the story.

I’ve always always wanted to be a pilot. It’s all I can remember from a very young age. My parents took me to airshows every summer, I’d spend weekends at the RAF museum. As soon as I hit 13 I joined the ATC and did a fair few air experience flights in Bulldogs, Tutors plus a few cabbies in other bits and pieces.

Aged 16 reality hit home that my family weren’t really wealthy enough for me to hang around doing A levels and Uni. I went to a fairly shite comprehensive school and couldn’t wait to leave.

I tried to join the RAF but at the time they were only recruiting Police, Regiment and chefs.

So I ended up in he Navy as a weapons engineer. I figured the next best thing to flying aircraft would be shooting them down. Obviously I never got the chance to do that. I banged in 6 years having a jolly good time, seeing the world and learning a trade. Got a few cabbies in helicopters and back seat adventures in C130s.

Fast forward to now.

I’m 33, steady civvy job as an Incorporated Engineer (working towards Chartership). Decent salary of over 50k a year. Big pension if I stay with my current firm. Wife, house, 2 kids, dog etc.

Perfect domestic bliss. It’s all good except for one thing......

I’m bored shitless and deep down, I still just want to fly. Probably just a childish dream that I thought I’d grow out of, but I haven’t. I don’t hate my job, but I know deep down it’s not what I want to do for the next 34 years.

My son is 8 and I can tell he’s also got the bug. Same as I was at that age, he’s obsessed with planes. The best bit about going on holiday is the flight. He knows every commercial airliner there is just from the arrangement of the cockpit windows.

Seeing him like this and taking him to air shows and museums and what not has reignited the bug. Of course the difference with him is that I’ll be able to support him through flight school if that’s what he wants to do when the time comes.

I’m now seriously considering a career change. I’m probably still young enough, but I’m worried that I’m too far up the current career ladder to turn back.

I’ve got a bit of money stashed and could probably stretch to self funding a CPL. Of course the lack of income for the year or so I’m doing this would be hard to swallow but we’d get by.

I’d appreciate any thoughts from people who have been down this road, even if it’s just to say “don’t be stupid, stick with what you’ve got.”

So a few questions.

Realistically what sort of salary can I expect after training? How long before my course is paid for and I’m back up to earning what I earn now?

What’s the job market like after training? I’ve heard horror stories of people spending 100k to get their CPL and then being unemployable because they don’t have enough hours / experience.

Is there any funding / sponsorship available for people my age or is it all reserved for young thrusters straight out of uni?

Obviously I’m not stupid and I realise any job gets monotonous after a while, but this is something I feel like I’ll always regret if I don’t do it. I’d rather be bored driving a plane, than be bored driving a desk.

Any other advice more than welcome.

Many thanks in advance.
Salary for first year on average in Europe anywhere from 20-50k euro

Job market is the best it's ever been but there is a recession predicted to be hitting eventually may not happen or could happen tomorrow but there are warning signs now

funding and sponsorship is very competitive and most likely will go to the younger guys

Also budget for 2-3 years of no income if you're going to do this, this is aviation delays happen it will definitely be more than 1 year that you won't have an income

My advice to you looking at your situation, do a PPL locally while working and see how you get on, if you feel you want to take the next step after that then get started on ATPL exams distance learning and knuckle down

Go the modular route so you are flexible and can maintain the job just what I think anyway

Also yes it's entirely possible to spend 100k on the training and never get a job, it's not uncommon for it to happen and flying is a huge risk

and last but most importantly get a class 1 medical before you even decide to start training, without that you can never become a commercial pilot
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 05:54
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Although you are not too old, age isn't on your side and of course your primary concern must be for the family.
You need to nibble away at it.

1. Start down the PPL route with a Class Two medical. Your AME will know whether you qualify for a Class One. Obtain this by the time you obtain your PPL

DECISION TIME:
2. Head in the books with distant learning for the EASA exams

DECISION TIME:
3. CPL followed by FI part time keeping your well paid job or Potentially more risky CPL/IR + MCC route impacting finances & family stability.

4. One step at a time

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