Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Wannabes Forums > Professional Pilot Training (includes ground studies)
Reload this Page >

My dream - advice please (collective thread)

Professional Pilot Training (includes ground studies) A forum for those on the steep path to that coveted professional licence. Whether studying for the written exams, training for the flight tests or building experience here's where you can hang out.

My dream - advice please (collective thread)

Old 15th Apr 2016, 08:25
  #201 (permalink)  
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Florida
Posts: 1
I'd like to know how you guys think about Korean Airline Pilot Program (K-APP) with F

Subject: I'd like to know how you guys think about Korean Airline Pilot Program (K-APP) with FSA (Flight Safety Academy, Florida).

Hello I'm from South Korea and gonna take K-APP in a few months. Actually I'm a student of Korea Aerospace University (KAU) and KAU offers me a 1,000hr Flight Training Program called K-APP.

The course is: (All these costs are included housing and living expenses)
Phase 1: Ground school (at KAU) : about $4,000
Phase 2: Flight Training at FSA (Beginner~CPL, 250hr): $86,000
Phase 3: Time building (250~1,000hr) from FSA Instructor ($44,000) or F/O at Ameriflight ($57,000) - Phase 3 cost could be loaned from national bank.

K-APP students can fail at every phase. Since the program has started, about 20% of students have failed. Once they drop out, they cannot apply to KE or LJ for his lifetime.
But if they successfully survive to the program, they can apply to KE (KE does not guarantee to pass them, but I've heard most of those survivors have joined KE.).

My questions are:
1. How do you think about this program? If you get a chance to take this program, would you do it? now I'm considering joining to usual flight academy because of failure rate, disadvantages of failure, and expenses (I have to pay total expense $150,000 of 1,000hr.). Which course is better do you think? Please give me some advise.
2. If someone who are studying in FSA is there, could you advise me how much time will it take for the Phase 2? I heard FSA has so many students that flying schedules are often delayed. And could you tell me how difficult it is to succeed in their course?
zmzmtm is offline  
Old 21st Apr 2016, 20:54
  #202 (permalink)  
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: wolverhampton
Posts: 31
pilot wannabe

hello guys, i am new to this website, and I want to get some advice about becoming a pilot but dont know where to start.

I am 17 years old and just about to do my GSCEs, after GSCE's I want to join a flight school, I have looked at some in the UK, that do everything for £60,000 (PPL, ATPL and MCC) and I have looked abroad too, Namely at Emirates Avation Uni, but its a ridiculous amount to pay for an 18 month course, (£108,000)

I dont know where to start, so some advice would be appriciated
MiggHD is offline  
Old 24th Apr 2016, 22:12
  #203 (permalink)  
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: constantine
Posts: 1
should i go for the job of my dreams? help please

hello everybody

i have always dreamed of becoming an airline pilot few days ago i decided that it's about time i go for it i have family in canada and USA and they said they will help go to any good school in there
so i started reading articles about it pilot career... some of them says thats it's the best time to start and some says that alot of pilots out there cant find a job i really dont know what to believe or what to do and im so sad about it .
i want to make this big step but im afraid at the end it will for nothing and then i ll have to find an other job and all that time and money will be a waste
would some body please help me i am really lost here.

thank you in advence
hsmram is offline  
Old 1st May 2016, 16:18
  #204 (permalink)  
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: uk
Posts: 1
Hi everyone. I am 27 year old doctor living in Turkey, i have graduated from med school on 2014. i always wanted to be a pilot but because of some reasons i had do choose medicine. but after years i feel that i dont belong here, i mean i love this profession, helping people but dreams ..you know. I am in a situation that cant apply for fully funded cadet programs in Turkey (thy, sunexpress, atlasjet etc.) because i am not a Turkish citizen..I have to pay for all my education and go to private school. as you understand its really hard to quit and start for a new career and at the end its not 100% that i will easly find job. Would like to hear your opinions about it. Thanks all
arazmed is offline  
Old 1st May 2016, 18:57
  #205 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: out there somewhere
Posts: 65
If you have the right to live and work in the EU you can apply for cadet schemes with BA, Easy jet, Aer Lingus etc.

If you're a doctor you should be able to do a bit more research into the avenues that are open to you but there is no magic formula and you could find that you hate the commercial aviation industry even more than medicine.

Be careful and good luck.
wonder88 is offline  
Old 20th May 2016, 20:43
  #206 (permalink)  
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Milton Keynes
Posts: 1
Advice On Routes to becoming a Commercial Pilot

Hi there, i am an aspiring airline pilot and am currently looking at the different routes to becoming a pilot. I am looking at the integrated route and understand there is a big financial gap to overcome before being able to undergo this integrated training. I was just wondering how anyone who is a successful pilot or is currently undergoing training managed to finance this. Also how some pilots have managed to do it without having the bank of mum and dad. I am also looking at the RAF route as it can help me learn to fly and save up in the mean time to convert across to commercial after my time of service. Any advice on these subjects would be massively appreciated!
AaronForster17 is offline  
Old 22nd May 2016, 08:38
  #207 (permalink)  
Join Date: May 2016
Location: 737
Posts: 1
Hey artie711,

Learning to fly is totally awesome and even better when you obtain your PPL.

I live in Johannesburg, South Africa so I learn't how to become a pilot with a local aviation school called Airborne Aviation (Airborne Aviation - Flight School South Africa).

We are very lucky with the weather due to the climate in South Africa so I was able to spend more time in the air and getting hands on with the aircraft rather than sitting in the class room.

I have been to the north of France in the past and know that whilst summers are nice, the winters can be challenging in the sky.

I would recommend taking the time to learning how to fly in a country that almost guarantees good flying conditions all year round so that you can get maximum airtime in a shorter space in time if that is possible for you.

Hope this advice helps.

Happy flying
markevans is offline  
Old 28th Jun 2016, 01:12
  #208 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: North East England
Posts: 1
Smile Hello all!


My name is Adam and I am 16 from Newcastle! I'm often found at the foot of either Runway 07 or 25 at Newcastle International; it's fair to say aviation is the thing I have the most passion and drive for.

Why, you may wonder, am I here? Pure and simple: advice! With so many conflicting views regarding the best route to the flight deck, I thought I best join somewhere which can help me sort the fact from the fiction from what I have read and heard, in the hope that, one day, I will be able to give advice to others where I am now.

My aspiration is to be a commercial pilot, I don't care for which airline (within reason!), I just want to fly.

My post centres mainly around my aim to begin training for my PPL and also which A level subjects I have chosen.

Although I have not yet committed to anything, I think I will be studying A levels in Biology, Geography, Government and Politics and History. It is my understanding that maths and physics are non-essential, which is excellent as on the whole they are not my strongest subjects, but I fully understand the areas relevant to flight (it's circle theorems and optical fibres that go over my head ).

In regards to whether or not it is a good idea to do my PPL now, please let me know. I want to begin training over the summer, since I have 11 weeks of freedom. I doubt it will be, but please asvise if this is a bad idea.

I hope that is all leads nicley on to integrated training for an ATPL licence, but, if it doesn't, please tell me

Thank you very much for reading this far, and I look forward to being a part of this forum
Adamk1 is offline  
Old 2nd Jul 2016, 13:17
  #209 (permalink)  
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: all over Europe
Age: 37
Posts: 96
It is essential to have some sort of other education and preferably work experience you can fall back on. In this light, it is perfectly ok to pick your A-levels according to your best ability. If those subjects are what you can excel at academically, they will lead you to a matching degree with good grades, and motivated work. Which is a much better back up than a mediocre engineering or science degree that never got you a job because you chose something you are not good at, just for its "relevance". You might give it a thought to get into a field that could be used in aviation, because it might give you valuable contacts for pilot jobs, as well as keep you in the business should you encounter some kind of medical trouble or whatever, that could make you an ex-pilot. (Yeah I know, not the primary thought for a 16yo, but it´s a reality - shit happens everywhere). In this case, you would be better off switching to one of your airlines´ ground departments, than having to start over with something you haven´t looked at for 10-20 years, with an old degree.

Other than that, if you can do your PPL at 16 and talk about "getting your" ATPL just like that, you are probably comfortably sponsored by your parents. So all in all, with a privileged outlook to getting a degree and then obtaining an ATPL with no significant debt, you stand a good chance to ride off the rougher waves of the aviation business.

Just go on with what you´re doing, your folks seem to have money and you have decades of time to shape this out nicely, which puts you at the top of the wannabe food chain already.
Krautwald is offline  
Old 3rd Jul 2016, 22:35
  #210 (permalink)  
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 12
Q. I have absolutely ZERO knowledge in this area, and yes I admit I could scower the web for these answers, but I thought I'd try my luck here!..
I'm living in the UK, what sort of time period and general cost would it be for a PPL?

And in the flight training world, how does one go by learning to fly say a vintage WW2 aircraft?....

p.s I'm loving the positivity in this thread!
Sierra_Tango69 is offline  
Old 4th Jul 2016, 06:21
  #211 (permalink)  

de minimus non curat lex
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: sunny troon
Posts: 1,326
Spotting at Newcastle......a good start.

Your ultimate goal to fly......excellent. The question is what is the best path to achieve it.
Stay at school, do well in the 'A' levels. Maths, Physics, & English at 'O' level with descent grades. Probably higher education so that aged 21/22 you have sufficient maturity to start with the professional training.
Obtain your class one medical.
Now the choice is Integrated or Modular route.
No advantage in doing your PPL just yet.
Try some gliding first. Visit ATC Newcastle.
parkfell is offline  
Old 15th Jul 2016, 16:43
  #212 (permalink)  
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Florida
Posts: 4
Are you just looking to do the degree to get funds to pay for both the degree and flight? There is Epic Flight Academy who offers flight training financing through someone but I'm not sure but it's based off of your motivation and not credit. Since you're from France you might not have credit so this would be good. Or you can always try Everglades University if your heart is set on a degree while training because it's all online.

Last edited by PilotSchools; 10th Aug 2016 at 15:00. Reason: Epic no longer works with Liberty University but Everglades University now.
PilotSchools is offline  
Old 24th Aug 2016, 22:28
  #213 (permalink)  
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: West midlands
Posts: 1

Ive just finished my a-levels merely passing with poor grades however am very passionate about becoming a commercial pilot. I am looking to undergo the modular route and was wondering how damaging are poor a levels to my chances.
Kind regards.
Lfc1997 is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2016, 20:33
  #214 (permalink)  
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Singapore
Age: 37
Posts: 27
Indirect impact

A-Levels results themselves should not be too big a deal to be a commercial pilot but it seems, from reading the forums, that it is more and more common to at least have a university degree if you are aiming for bigger airlines.

So you will still probably want to get a degree, and that's really where bad results affect you more.
NovemberWhiskyLima is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2016, 20:37
  #215 (permalink)  
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Ireland
Posts: 1,455
Costs €70,000 to get the full licence in Cork, is it worth it?
AerRyan is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2016, 20:38
  #216 (permalink)  
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Singapore
Age: 37
Posts: 27
Come to Canada. It is cheaper, by a mile.
NovemberWhiskyLima is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2016, 20:40
  #217 (permalink)  
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Ireland
Posts: 1,455
I have free accommodation in Cork while I'm doing the course, what's the costs in Canada?
AerRyan is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2016, 21:00
  #218 (permalink)  
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Singapore
Age: 37
Posts: 27
I'm at Harv's Air in Manitoba. To CPL should be about 45K-50K CAD.

Accommodation here is available at $410CAD/Mth if you fly more than 15 hours a month.
NovemberWhiskyLima is offline  
Old 6th Sep 2016, 13:44
  #219 (permalink)  
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: UK
Posts: 5
Would you rather just be told if airlines consider you too old?

As oppose to been told they don't discrimate on age (maybe because they're aren't allowed to) would you rather just be told by the airlines in clear terms "we don't take any SO or FO s over 30 years without prior commercial experience and 500 hours on aircraft in excess of 20 tonnes MTOM" or whatever?

That way theres no ambiguity and people can concentrate on reacreational flying or call it a day altogether with aviation and dedicate time to other things in life.Like achievable career goals family....etc.
shortfinals34 is offline  
Old 7th Sep 2016, 17:42
  #220 (permalink)  
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 1
(First post!)

I'm 19 and I've wanted to be an airline pilot for years. At the minute, I'm studying a fairly prestigious politics degree which includes a year's worth of work experience working in Parliament in the UK (I live in the UK). Until a few months ago, the dream was in the back of my mind. I put myself off pursuing it when I was around 16 because I knew that my parents wouldn't be able to fund it. This is still the case.

Yesterday, I had my first ever flight in a GA plane. It was a trial flight from Sherburn Aero Club in a PA-28. Absolutely loved every minute of it and I didn't want to come down. I had a smile on my face for the whole ride and I wish I could go back up today! But obviously, money's the biggest problem...

I'm doing fairly well financially as a student. I don't spend any money at all on going out and drinking at uni so I'm doing okay compared to most. Obviously, I can't fund flying on this money though as it's not a constant stream of money. Yesterday, although it only lasted an hour, was the decider that I want to pursue my licenses, and if possible to pursue a career in aviation. But I'm stuck with that money problem, and I don't know what I can do.

Overall, there's a few questions I have in mind:

1) Would it be possible to fund it during university, or should I wait 'til I graduate? Basically, does anyone have any experiences in this case?
2) If I choose to wait until I graduate, will it be then too late to pursue a career as a pilot? I know there are many variables!
3) What's the general age at which it's seen as being too late to go into airlines?

Also, would my degree actually help me out in aviation? I know for sure that I won't drop out as I would like the backup of a degree. But my year in Westminster etc. can't hurt my CV, can it?

Thanks in advance.
ScottNX is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.