Egnatia Aviation Greece
Join Date: Oct 2008
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too easy!
hey guys...let's just forget about that Egnatia thing...
WHY??
Because simply we have 2 contradicting opinions...and considering the huge amount of money that a trainee wanna pay to be a future pilot, then IT IS EXTREMELY RISKY CHOICE to go for that Egnatia offer...
You'll never know...may be it's gonna be you who receive the bad treatment we heard about...or may be good treatment even...wanna find out?? ok..go to the famous Witch living next door to Egnatia and ask her about your future with them!!!
should you take the risk?? I don't think you really should!
cheers
WHY??
Because simply we have 2 contradicting opinions...and considering the huge amount of money that a trainee wanna pay to be a future pilot, then IT IS EXTREMELY RISKY CHOICE to go for that Egnatia offer...
You'll never know...may be it's gonna be you who receive the bad treatment we heard about...or may be good treatment even...wanna find out?? ok..go to the famous Witch living next door to Egnatia and ask her about your future with them!!!
should you take the risk?? I don't think you really should!
cheers
Join Date: Nov 2008
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I 've a friend who is at the school right now. He's been sat around waiting due to lack of planes and bad organization. He said he hasn't received anything like good service and regrets going there.
Join Date: Jan 2009
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What a waste of time that was. The place is like a ghost town, no new students in the past 6 months.
Customer service, none existant. Did not feel welcome there at all, more like I was causing them a problem by wanting to ask questions.
Only 2 DA40's and 1 DA42 for the whole school !!! (which was broken again, so I was told by some students)
Won't be spending my hard earned cash there.
Customer service, none existant. Did not feel welcome there at all, more like I was causing them a problem by wanting to ask questions.
Only 2 DA40's and 1 DA42 for the whole school !!! (which was broken again, so I was told by some students)
Won't be spending my hard earned cash there.
Join Date: Sep 2006
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Although feedback on the school seems really harsh I'm considering them for a MEIR conversion. I would like to hear from anyone who might have done their conversion training at Egnatia.
Thanks!
Thanks!
Join Date: Jun 2006
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Hi, I did CPL ME IR conversion in December last year, one week flight training, then the skill test, thats it, 23h total flying time, pretty quick and straightforward! Cheers
Join Date: Apr 2008
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Its really funny how people think that the flying schools who market themselves alot are the best ones. You lot saying how crap Egnatia is should really go back and look at your "oxfords"... Go there and pay your life off and sell a kidney while your there to get through pilot training. MANY flight schools all over the world have something called airplanes, and airplanes have complex machines that go tech sometimes, and sometimes more often (just how the big sophisticated airlines do). 
What is wrong with some of you people? Do you not have anything better to do than sit here slagging off a flight school????
Jesus!
What is wrong with some of you people? Do you not have anything better to do than sit here slagging off a flight school???? Jesus!
Join Date: Feb 2009
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oh my god...are you professional pilots...or cookers....i think there are many members , better many managers xaxa of egnatia and other schools here not posting but fighting!!oyaoy!!!the costs in egnatia is the minimum of world..then the service is very friendly n kindy...the airservice the best in greece n i think better than others academies of world as 4 students from there told me.BUT the ground school is not the best,,,,it needs to become better...but i think whenever you go without home study !!!!the instructors are very strict as it needs (they are professionals most of them are not greek anyway!!).Which flight academy can promise job after finishing???they promise at starting thats the marketing!!!Only if you are good you ll find job!!Do you think that the name of the academy finds to you a job???
... some links are here...this post opened when this academy was in start!!2006 but we are 2009
Egnatia Aviation Home Page I thoght that the greek pilots were the best of world...arent they..??(the greek airforce 
)They started making academies to get into the civil aviation...trust them!! a new sim at the egnatia ALX: FNPT II MCC Flight Training Device (FTD) for MPL phase 3 - Alsim - Flight Trainers
!!!!the instructors are very strict as it needs (they are professionals most of them are not greek anyway!!).Which flight academy can promise job after finishing???they promise at starting thats the marketing!!!Only if you are good you ll find job!!Do you think that the name of the academy finds to you a job???... some links are here...this post opened when this academy was in start!!2006 but we are 2009 Egnatia Aviation Home Page I thoght that the greek pilots were the best of world...arent they..??(the greek airforce )They started making academies to get into the civil aviation...trust them!! a new sim at the egnatia ALX: FNPT II MCC Flight Training Device (FTD) for MPL phase 3 - Alsim - Flight Trainers
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""the costs in egnatia is the minimum of world..then the service is very friendly n kindy...the airservice the best in greece n i think better than others academies of world as 4 students from there told me ""
To Airmanik
Well if those 4 students have been to every school in the world then, we can't possibly argue with that !!
Sounds like you are an employee ???
Or may be I'm just a cooker ??
To Airmanik
Well if those 4 students have been to every school in the world then, we can't possibly argue with that !!
Sounds like you are an employee ???
Or may be I'm just a cooker ??
Join Date: Jul 2008
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i went there,,,,, one twin that does break as all aircraft do yes, so would be nice if thee was a back up plan in case of a lenghtly tech problem,,,, the airlines do go tech yes,,, i went tech a week ago,,, within 35mins we were in a new aircraft fueled and boarded ready to roll again!
o yea,,, there was only one pilot flying the twin,,, nice guy but seemed to be bored to tears and lost the will to live in there let alone teach, did the job but only cos he was there not cos he wanted to was my impression.
only flew once a day and not on weekends cos the one guy needed time off and had other students, so with a tech day flew 3 out of 7days 1st week and 4 out of 7 days 2nd week.
atc liked to talk greek and give local points for nav,, all good if you know them but there not charted so you have to ask for help from the instructor, ok it works but does not help you feel in command.
school had crap wifi when i was there and i hear now thats gone alltogether, so what do you do all day except look out the window? i was converting so not much study to do.
apartments had no A/C and no WIFI! they were clean enough and basic to live in,,,,, but come on,, WIFI is a must these days.
ground school students were treated like kids! some of them were to be fair, but no drinks in the classrooms,,, no instructor half the time i heard and so self study on a full time ATPL course!!!!!!!
free transfers once a day to and from the apartments,,, great deal,, but not if your doing one flight,,, your then expected to sit all day doing nothing with no entertainment or pay for a taxi back to apartment with again no entertainment or wifi
once you get your license you have to call and call and call to get it issued,,, if something comes back to the school wrong from the greek CAA they wont call you and tell you, it will sit in a folder until you call them and ask why the delay,,, then you submit the new info and wait again and again,,,,,,,, took just over 3months to get my license issued after the checkride!.
and blah blah blah there are other things but i am bored of writeing now.
to be fair all flight schoold are crap and money whores,,, these guys you may get it done, it might be cheaper,, your in the sun,,,, but for more than a conversion,,, i would look elsewhere as you may just decide sod it and fly the aircraft into the tower in frustration!
o yea,,, there was only one pilot flying the twin,,, nice guy but seemed to be bored to tears and lost the will to live in there let alone teach, did the job but only cos he was there not cos he wanted to was my impression.
only flew once a day and not on weekends cos the one guy needed time off and had other students, so with a tech day flew 3 out of 7days 1st week and 4 out of 7 days 2nd week.
atc liked to talk greek and give local points for nav,, all good if you know them but there not charted so you have to ask for help from the instructor, ok it works but does not help you feel in command.
school had crap wifi when i was there and i hear now thats gone alltogether, so what do you do all day except look out the window? i was converting so not much study to do.
apartments had no A/C and no WIFI! they were clean enough and basic to live in,,,,, but come on,, WIFI is a must these days.
ground school students were treated like kids! some of them were to be fair, but no drinks in the classrooms,,, no instructor half the time i heard and so self study on a full time ATPL course!!!!!!!
free transfers once a day to and from the apartments,,, great deal,, but not if your doing one flight,,, your then expected to sit all day doing nothing with no entertainment or pay for a taxi back to apartment with again no entertainment or wifi
once you get your license you have to call and call and call to get it issued,,, if something comes back to the school wrong from the greek CAA they wont call you and tell you, it will sit in a folder until you call them and ask why the delay,,, then you submit the new info and wait again and again,,,,,,,, took just over 3months to get my license issued after the checkride!.
and blah blah blah there are other things but i am bored of writeing now.
to be fair all flight schoold are crap and money whores,,, these guys you may get it done, it might be cheaper,, your in the sun,,,, but for more than a conversion,,, i would look elsewhere as you may just decide sod it and fly the aircraft into the tower in frustration!
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A reply from the school
G-STAR – You are just spreading bull**** with no substance and with obvious intentions. ‘Only 2 DA40's and 1 DA42 for the whole school !!! (which was broken again, so I was told by some students)’ What a lie! You were told by some students? Rubish.
Yes there is only one Twin at present (there two others as backup options) which flies over 100 hours every month for training – pretty good for an aircraft that ‘is broken all the time’.
I think I remember your style of writing with a different nick.
Zerotohero – you said that you did a conversion at Egnatia and you made some comments. In the same order:
- Only one pilot flying the twin. That is strange as there always no less than 3 full time ME/CPL/IR instructors. Currently Yiannos, Stelios, Reizis, and if required Dimitris and the HoT. Total 5 available. You only saw one? Which one? And he was bored to tears? They all fly 80 or more hours a month in total with free weekends and they are bored to tears? Based on increasing number of the CVs we receive every week I am sure most instructors around Europe would like to have this kind of bordom.
- You only flew once a day. Some days yes. Did you finish your training on time? That is what matters. Flight scheduling is done with all students in mind.
- ATCs like to speak their own language all over the world. The ATC in Kavala Airport only speak Greek to Olympic Airways pilots (and maybe one or two of the Aegean pilots) and only when the pilots initiate the call. They always speak English to the Egnatia students with very very few exceptions when they request specific field or weather information in the training areas etc. They are a lot better than most non English speaking countries that I have flown such as France and Italy.
- Wifi – the students have their own ADSL connection at the school, which is ALWAYS on. How the students use it is up to them. Some download or streaming movies some do other things. I can not see why the school should spend any time regulating a not essential for the training service that it is offered for free – we should get a thank you. Reagrding the apartments, all have wifi on the same basis and no air conditioning (they all have central heating). All the apartments are new and basically equipped and the accommodation is free. If students want more, there are hotels available. Staying in the school’s accommodation is neither mandatory nor part of your aviation training.
- Yes, no food or drink is allowed in the classrooms. In addition the course is based on Bristol’s guiding CBT system which is a mixture of instructor and self study. It is a modern and very successful combination as the average pass rate and first pass stats show.
- There are at least two free transfers a day (three most days). It is impossible for us to have a car and driver ready for whenever each student decided to go home! Get real people. Again we do have to provide this service at all – most students appreciate it, do not criticise it.
- The license issue – do you know many schools that will undertake the issuing of your license? In ALL cases I know it is up to the student to do whatever is necessary for the license issue. Again another added service that most people appreciate but some would prefer a prefect service tailored to their own liking. By they way, licenses for conversions always take a bit longer due to the fact that the CAA needs to check ICAO documents from many countries and sometimes has to request copies records, ratings etc in order to include in the JAA license. There not always straightforward. Sometimes they can be waiting for the students to return their previous original licences etc.
Again zerotohero. Did we deliver what we said, in the agreed timescales and for the price we quoted? Was your training good? Was the aircraft new and modern? Were you treated properly?
The school is going from strength to strength at the time most other schools are shrinking or going bankrupt. It now has 8 new aircraft and a brand new Alsim ALX simulator. It will soon offer MCC, JOC and other courses, plus an integrated 0-ATPL course with type rating and airline line training.
The reasons are obvious.
Yes there is only one Twin at present (there two others as backup options) which flies over 100 hours every month for training – pretty good for an aircraft that ‘is broken all the time’.
I think I remember your style of writing with a different nick.
Zerotohero – you said that you did a conversion at Egnatia and you made some comments. In the same order:
- Only one pilot flying the twin. That is strange as there always no less than 3 full time ME/CPL/IR instructors. Currently Yiannos, Stelios, Reizis, and if required Dimitris and the HoT. Total 5 available. You only saw one? Which one? And he was bored to tears? They all fly 80 or more hours a month in total with free weekends and they are bored to tears? Based on increasing number of the CVs we receive every week I am sure most instructors around Europe would like to have this kind of bordom.
- You only flew once a day. Some days yes. Did you finish your training on time? That is what matters. Flight scheduling is done with all students in mind.
- ATCs like to speak their own language all over the world. The ATC in Kavala Airport only speak Greek to Olympic Airways pilots (and maybe one or two of the Aegean pilots) and only when the pilots initiate the call. They always speak English to the Egnatia students with very very few exceptions when they request specific field or weather information in the training areas etc. They are a lot better than most non English speaking countries that I have flown such as France and Italy.
- Wifi – the students have their own ADSL connection at the school, which is ALWAYS on. How the students use it is up to them. Some download or streaming movies some do other things. I can not see why the school should spend any time regulating a not essential for the training service that it is offered for free – we should get a thank you. Reagrding the apartments, all have wifi on the same basis and no air conditioning (they all have central heating). All the apartments are new and basically equipped and the accommodation is free. If students want more, there are hotels available. Staying in the school’s accommodation is neither mandatory nor part of your aviation training.
- Yes, no food or drink is allowed in the classrooms. In addition the course is based on Bristol’s guiding CBT system which is a mixture of instructor and self study. It is a modern and very successful combination as the average pass rate and first pass stats show.
- There are at least two free transfers a day (three most days). It is impossible for us to have a car and driver ready for whenever each student decided to go home! Get real people. Again we do have to provide this service at all – most students appreciate it, do not criticise it.
- The license issue – do you know many schools that will undertake the issuing of your license? In ALL cases I know it is up to the student to do whatever is necessary for the license issue. Again another added service that most people appreciate but some would prefer a prefect service tailored to their own liking. By they way, licenses for conversions always take a bit longer due to the fact that the CAA needs to check ICAO documents from many countries and sometimes has to request copies records, ratings etc in order to include in the JAA license. There not always straightforward. Sometimes they can be waiting for the students to return their previous original licences etc.
Again zerotohero. Did we deliver what we said, in the agreed timescales and for the price we quoted? Was your training good? Was the aircraft new and modern? Were you treated properly?
The school is going from strength to strength at the time most other schools are shrinking or going bankrupt. It now has 8 new aircraft and a brand new Alsim ALX simulator. It will soon offer MCC, JOC and other courses, plus an integrated 0-ATPL course with type rating and airline line training.
The reasons are obvious.
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again and again...all the time speaking people dont know anything about school...you dont help all the time you are confusing the people to their choice!!oh my god!who cares about the internet and videos at home you can pay 20euro per month to vod..ne or cosm..te or another company of mobile telephony in case having internet!!you are going to a school only to learn flying you have to be assembled to the study...i think better ll be all the time flying when you become an airliner pilot you may have the chance finding to f...k as you told...oh my god i wonder which are the criteria of choice of an academy at your opinion...the inernet and if there are are women to....f.....k there...oh my god!!!crazy!!
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Hi There,
I have been reading over these posts about Egnatia and i really feel the negative posts are unjustified, but then people in this worl always look for somebody else to blame when things do not go well for them.
I was a student at Egnatia i did my PPL Hr build and ATPL theory there and i have done the rest of my training else where and i have seen what it is like out there, i did not see how good i had it at Egnatia untill i seen other places.
Egnatia is an excellent school and if your will to put in the work to achieve your goals 100% the staff in Egnatia will give you back 150% and bend over back wards to help you out.
When i was there i struggled at some theory, and i really felt like giving up. If it were not for the staff, the Directors, the head of training GG and the instructors who gave me their time at no extra cost i would not be were i am now.
In egnatia they have a great fleet of modern planes, excellent accomodation, students are looked after really well there, which you will not see in any other FTO.
In Greece you have great weather all year round, you can fly to beautifull islands it is a wonderfull experience. Your flight training is consistant because of this you do not sit on the ground waiting for the weather, which in my view is very important for a new student to keep consistant in there training.
When i was in Greece i learnt a lot, and not just flying but also my attitude towards flying which is something money can not buy.
The head of training is a wonderfull instructor with a lot of experience, and what he wants from his students is for them to try there best, he has an interest and cares about all his students, some people may not agree with his methods, but i think that is because they can not see what he is trying to do, which is the students best interest.
If i made a mistake about Egnatia, that would be not finishing my training there, i did not leave because i was unhappy but because after my ATPL, my employer was sponsoring the rest of my training and i had to go were i was told.
If any one is considering a flight school i would recomend Egnatia and besides the training can be done modular, so you can go do your PPL and see for yourself.
Thank you
I have been reading over these posts about Egnatia and i really feel the negative posts are unjustified, but then people in this worl always look for somebody else to blame when things do not go well for them.
I was a student at Egnatia i did my PPL Hr build and ATPL theory there and i have done the rest of my training else where and i have seen what it is like out there, i did not see how good i had it at Egnatia untill i seen other places.
Egnatia is an excellent school and if your will to put in the work to achieve your goals 100% the staff in Egnatia will give you back 150% and bend over back wards to help you out.
When i was there i struggled at some theory, and i really felt like giving up. If it were not for the staff, the Directors, the head of training GG and the instructors who gave me their time at no extra cost i would not be were i am now.
In egnatia they have a great fleet of modern planes, excellent accomodation, students are looked after really well there, which you will not see in any other FTO.
In Greece you have great weather all year round, you can fly to beautifull islands it is a wonderfull experience. Your flight training is consistant because of this you do not sit on the ground waiting for the weather, which in my view is very important for a new student to keep consistant in there training.
When i was in Greece i learnt a lot, and not just flying but also my attitude towards flying which is something money can not buy.
The head of training is a wonderfull instructor with a lot of experience, and what he wants from his students is for them to try there best, he has an interest and cares about all his students, some people may not agree with his methods, but i think that is because they can not see what he is trying to do, which is the students best interest.
If i made a mistake about Egnatia, that would be not finishing my training there, i did not leave because i was unhappy but because after my ATPL, my employer was sponsoring the rest of my training and i had to go were i was told.
If any one is considering a flight school i would recomend Egnatia and besides the training can be done modular, so you can go do your PPL and see for yourself.
Thank you
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Hi i just came back yesterday from my conversion!
I had the best experience ever!!!!
When i was busy with my training 4 more students were busy with the Multi engine......i expected a slightly delay but in 9 flying days (skill test included) i finished my conversion!
The first part (5 hours) i used the FNPT ALX a really nice simulator wich can help you a lot if u are not fresh anymore....
After that i start with G-EGNA a really super DA42 with 2 GREAT instructors REIZIS and YANNOS!!!
They were really good teachers and i had a lot of expirience with them.....plus they are really good friend in the weekend's nights
I expected a really Greek slow system for paperworks but look like that in less than 1 month i will get my licences ready!
The Head of training is one of the most professional guy ever......he is allways honest!! If you are not good enough he will tell you........he doesent care if school will lose money (and the school as well) if you are not good enough and you wont accept some extra training to reach the standards you are free to leave!
I had the same treatment.. i payed around 9000 euro for the full conversion....they tested me in the sim for the IFR part.....i flow my hours in the DA42 and i spend exacly what i expected....no one EURO MOREEEEE
So i really cannot understend (actually i know) why people just talk talk talk SHI*.... about EGNATIA....
There is a stupid guy inside that just like talk SHI*... and the funny thing that is a student as well.....so why a student inside talk SHI* about his flight school without leaving it????????
Because he know that he will have a really good training.......but i think is not good enough to have it! 100% sure
If you guys contact student inside (Dutchs, Cipriots, Italians, Greeks except the Irish guy) u will have the same info that i wrote here!!!
SO PEOPLE dont pay soooooooo much attention to PPRUNE.....go there.....take a look of the flight school.......try to fly Diamond.....check the simulator.........and u will see!
I went there and i never regret 1 day........actually i miss them allready and is been just 1 day i left!
I had the best experience ever!!!!
When i was busy with my training 4 more students were busy with the Multi engine......i expected a slightly delay but in 9 flying days (skill test included) i finished my conversion!
The first part (5 hours) i used the FNPT ALX a really nice simulator wich can help you a lot if u are not fresh anymore....
After that i start with G-EGNA a really super DA42 with 2 GREAT instructors REIZIS and YANNOS!!!
They were really good teachers and i had a lot of expirience with them.....plus they are really good friend in the weekend's nights
I expected a really Greek slow system for paperworks but look like that in less than 1 month i will get my licences ready!
The Head of training is one of the most professional guy ever......he is allways honest!! If you are not good enough he will tell you........he doesent care if school will lose money (and the school as well) if you are not good enough and you wont accept some extra training to reach the standards you are free to leave!
I had the same treatment.. i payed around 9000 euro for the full conversion....they tested me in the sim for the IFR part.....i flow my hours in the DA42 and i spend exacly what i expected....no one EURO MOREEEEE
So i really cannot understend (actually i know) why people just talk talk talk SHI*.... about EGNATIA....
There is a stupid guy inside that just like talk SHI*... and the funny thing that is a student as well.....so why a student inside talk SHI* about his flight school without leaving it????????
Because he know that he will have a really good training.......but i think is not good enough to have it! 100% sure
If you guys contact student inside (Dutchs, Cipriots, Italians, Greeks except the Irish guy) u will have the same info that i wrote here!!!
SO PEOPLE dont pay soooooooo much attention to PPRUNE.....go there.....take a look of the flight school.......try to fly Diamond.....check the simulator.........and u will see!
I went there and i never regret 1 day........actually i miss them allready and is been just 1 day i left!
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Dear Piedro/rocco
We all would like to thank you about the positive comments you made about us.
Me and on behalf of the rest of the Egnatia Instructors we would like to wish the best with your future and career!!! I hope one day you will be able to fly your beloved MD83 but if not the 777 is still ok!!
Take care matey and keep in touch!
Vangelis
We all would like to thank you about the positive comments you made about us.
Me and on behalf of the rest of the Egnatia Instructors we would like to wish the best with your future and career!!! I hope one day you will be able to fly your beloved MD83 but if not the 777 is still ok!!
Take care matey and keep in touch
!Vangelis
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Ahahaha Rocco Vangelis!!!
whats up??? is only 2 days i left and i allready miss Keramoti so much!!!!
U guys did a great job and is time that somebody start to open the eyes to this pprune addicted!!!!
The time there was not so easy because of the stupid ATPL but the enviroment was perfect so the hard job of the ATPL was less harder....and is only because of ur guys help!
I miss being around the school.......but really soon ill come back for a short vacation ahahahah im allready looking for tickets.....hope to come back as ID90 :P
but for a job something will start around September if we are lucky.....and unfortunatly will not be MD83 but CRJ900 or A320.....i knowwwwww dont complain ahahah is still a job of course we all love 777 (real plane) but job is a job......
By the time im thinking to come back before everything starts for the MCC i have to check it out...
Take care buddy and keep doing ur great job for the pour ATPL guys.....!!!
say hi to EVERYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE!!!
ciao man
whats up??? is only 2 days i left and i allready miss Keramoti so much!!!!
U guys did a great job and is time that somebody start to open the eyes to this pprune addicted!!!!
The time there was not so easy because of the stupid ATPL but the enviroment was perfect so the hard job of the ATPL was less harder....and is only because of ur guys help!
I miss being around the school.......but really soon ill come back for a short vacation ahahahah im allready looking for tickets.....hope to come back as ID90 :P
but for a job something will start around September if we are lucky.....and unfortunatly will not be MD83 but CRJ900 or A320.....i knowwwwww dont complain ahahah is still a job of course we all love 777 (real plane) but job is a job......
By the time im thinking to come back before everything starts for the MCC i have to check it out...
Take care buddy and keep doing ur great job for the pour ATPL guys.....!!!
say hi to EVERYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE!!!
ciao man
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Hi Vangelis
Im over in August to visit, I expect a beer!!
Looking forward to seeing you all soon
Im sure the school will respond soon to the above post, Call and ask for Dimitris or George, they'll be very apologetic that they have missed you.
Dave
Im over in August to visit, I expect a beer!!
Looking forward to seeing you all soon
Im sure the school will respond soon to the above post, Call and ask for Dimitris or George, they'll be very apologetic that they have missed you.
Dave