View Poll Results: Type rating?
Bought Type rating - got the job
4
66.67%
Bought Type rating - told "need time on type"
1
16.67%
You were told buy the type and get the job - but did not get a job offer anyway
1
16.67%
Voters: 6. This poll is closed
Type Rating - which type, where, why pay etc?
Joined: Dec 2005
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From: UK
Type Rating is only half of the argument and you need to consider where and how you wish to gain the line experience. It will indeed put you ahead of the 'game' but the effort and resource required will not be proportional to the gain.
Why not keep the money aside and indicate on applications that you are prepared to self fund type rating. If you still wish to go for the SSTR then you need to look into the line training too.
Why not keep the money aside and indicate on applications that you are prepared to self fund type rating. If you still wish to go for the SSTR then you need to look into the line training too.
Joined: Jun 2005
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From: Outer space
I am looking into a type rating with PARC. I trained with them for the MCC and heard similar to what is posted and I have heard from others who have gone through PARC that they now have jobs.
Airlines and organisations are unable to train pilots quick enough, it seems.
From what I have learnt self funding is the way to get ahead, otherwise it could be a 6 month wait to get on a type rating course.
Will post when I have more information.
Is there anyone who is considering PARC as, from what I understand, they take groups of 4 for the T/R training.
Has anyone looked at www.eaglejet.net , They seem to be based in the USA and offer 300 and 500 hours line experience on a number of aircraft from Corporate Jets to Heavy Commercial Airliners and at various prices. They were advertising in Flgiht International.
Does anyone know about this company?
Airlines and organisations are unable to train pilots quick enough, it seems.
From what I have learnt self funding is the way to get ahead, otherwise it could be a 6 month wait to get on a type rating course.
Will post when I have more information.
Is there anyone who is considering PARC as, from what I understand, they take groups of 4 for the T/R training.
Has anyone looked at www.eaglejet.net , They seem to be based in the USA and offer 300 and 500 hours line experience on a number of aircraft from Corporate Jets to Heavy Commercial Airliners and at various prices. They were advertising in Flgiht International.
Does anyone know about this company?
Last edited by Kazakhstan; 22nd July 2006 at 15:28.
Joined: Nov 2004
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From: Surrey
GECAT cost + Self funded line training boycott!
GECAT
16995 A320 TR
4500 Base Training
These prices are including VAT. Thats what stung me, I was a bit stupid, forgetting VAT and allowed 20 grand, this left me 1500 to find short notice.
Cant think for the life of me how many hors this course is. Either 36 or 40 in the FFS (Full flight sim). Should probably know that as I just completed it!
I was on an airline secific course, however, I get the idea their 'non destination' courses are still useful for gaining employment.
Training is nothing short of excellent. This really is a top quality TRTO all be it their prices arent cheap. On completion they arwe compassionate to the money you have spent and help massively with placing you, even though this is not a promise.
A lot of what I have said has been passed from the organisation or third parties in it. As I said, my SSTR was airline specific but it seems theyre not bad for other Type Ratings.
DONT PAY TO DO LINE TRAINING! Sorry, I'm sure it may be neccessary sometimes but I hate the fact that pilots can be expected to pay for the right to supply a commercial service.
I hope I have supplied some usefull info re gecat. GOOD LUCK!
16995 A320 TR
4500 Base Training
These prices are including VAT. Thats what stung me, I was a bit stupid, forgetting VAT and allowed 20 grand, this left me 1500 to find short notice.
Cant think for the life of me how many hors this course is. Either 36 or 40 in the FFS (Full flight sim). Should probably know that as I just completed it!
I was on an airline secific course, however, I get the idea their 'non destination' courses are still useful for gaining employment.
Training is nothing short of excellent. This really is a top quality TRTO all be it their prices arent cheap. On completion they arwe compassionate to the money you have spent and help massively with placing you, even though this is not a promise.
A lot of what I have said has been passed from the organisation or third parties in it. As I said, my SSTR was airline specific but it seems theyre not bad for other Type Ratings.
DONT PAY TO DO LINE TRAINING! Sorry, I'm sure it may be neccessary sometimes but I hate the fact that pilots can be expected to pay for the right to supply a commercial service.
I hope I have supplied some usefull info re gecat. GOOD LUCK!
Joined: Feb 2006
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From: herethereverywhere
My own opinion is to not pay for the type rating in the first place.
However, i am aware that so many pilots are now paying without thinking, it seems to becoming the norm. So perhaps I will have to start thinking about changing my mind.
Its easy to comment on " do not pay for line training etc." but as I see it, those making that kind of huge financial commitment are those with full time jobs and a fist full of hours on type.
Those with a new type and no hours are stuck, type rating running out of date slowly and renewal looming, will naturally look towards the next phase, those offering line training. More money to find, but a fool and his/ her money !!
For anyone paying for a type good luck, and best wishes.
Mr M
However, i am aware that so many pilots are now paying without thinking, it seems to becoming the norm. So perhaps I will have to start thinking about changing my mind.
Its easy to comment on " do not pay for line training etc." but as I see it, those making that kind of huge financial commitment are those with full time jobs and a fist full of hours on type.
Those with a new type and no hours are stuck, type rating running out of date slowly and renewal looming, will naturally look towards the next phase, those offering line training. More money to find, but a fool and his/ her money !!
For anyone paying for a type good luck, and best wishes.
Mr M
Joined: Dec 2005
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From: UK
Type ratings differences
I was wondering what the differences are between the JAA and FAA type rating training syllabuses and approach to teaching?
This is something I have heard little about, other than the quantiful views and opinions expressed on the generic JAA vs FAA CPL/IR debate. In JAA land low hour graduates go onto there TR and it appears that the system is indeed accomodating to that approach. However in the US pilots poast 1000-1500hr mark go onto a TR, this is further reflected in the entry requirements of numerous US TRTOs that state you must have xxxx hrs flight experience before applying for a course.
What's the difference here, is one foxused on systems, whereas the other concentrates on airmanship and CRM perhaps?
This is something I have heard little about, other than the quantiful views and opinions expressed on the generic JAA vs FAA CPL/IR debate. In JAA land low hour graduates go onto there TR and it appears that the system is indeed accomodating to that approach. However in the US pilots poast 1000-1500hr mark go onto a TR, this is further reflected in the entry requirements of numerous US TRTOs that state you must have xxxx hrs flight experience before applying for a course.
What's the difference here, is one foxused on systems, whereas the other concentrates on airmanship and CRM perhaps?
Joined: Jan 2003
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From: UK
For many US airlines, type ratings are only undertaken as part of a command course. If you fly as a passenger on a regional jet for example, the FO most likely will not be type rated. Only when he's up to command time (3000 ish) hours will they get the TR. Over here, you can guarantee that the FO has the TR, no matter what experience level.
The only solid difference between the two is that the FAA will grant you a TR without having to set fly the actual aircraft. Over here you need to be base checked.
The only solid difference between the two is that the FAA will grant you a TR without having to set fly the actual aircraft. Over here you need to be base checked.
Joined: Sep 2004
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From: Europe
Hello XL319.
I don´t know what your experience is, but as the times are today a very few airlines pay for your type rating. You have to buy it yourself. Maybe if you are experienced some will pay?
If you don`t know where to find the schools which offers type rating just take a look around on this site. There are also alot of commercials for type ratings on this site. So look around.
On this site there is alot discussions whether one should pay or not for your own rating. Listen to what every one have to say and take what you think is right. I personally think that whether we like it or not, we have to accept the reality.
Hope you can use my avice.
Jic
I don´t know what your experience is, but as the times are today a very few airlines pay for your type rating. You have to buy it yourself. Maybe if you are experienced some will pay?
If you don`t know where to find the schools which offers type rating just take a look around on this site. There are also alot of commercials for type ratings on this site. So look around.
On this site there is alot discussions whether one should pay or not for your own rating. Listen to what every one have to say and take what you think is right. I personally think that whether we like it or not, we have to accept the reality.
Hope you can use my avice.
Jic
Joined: Jan 2006
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From: Chalfont St Peter
Type Rating?
Hi
I have just graduated with an FAA converted to JAA Multi CPL/IR but with few hours.
This may seem like a very obvious question but could someone please tell me what are the general requirements to obtain a first officer position with a regional airline in the UK? Obviously this heavily depends on the Operator but it appears that a lot of airlines seek type ratings as a minimum requirement - in which case what does this mean; A type rating course and a certificate or actual hrs (ie.100) on a sim/aircraft such as Learjet/B737?
If there is an alternative option to this such as simply building hours up on SE/ME aircraft as a flying instructor then it is preferable if feasible? Is this what the majority of people do?
If anyone knows of a website where it specifically states the hours requirement for UK Airlines it would be very helpful as it gives one a goal of something to work towards.
Thanks
I have just graduated with an FAA converted to JAA Multi CPL/IR but with few hours.
This may seem like a very obvious question but could someone please tell me what are the general requirements to obtain a first officer position with a regional airline in the UK? Obviously this heavily depends on the Operator but it appears that a lot of airlines seek type ratings as a minimum requirement - in which case what does this mean; A type rating course and a certificate or actual hrs (ie.100) on a sim/aircraft such as Learjet/B737?
If there is an alternative option to this such as simply building hours up on SE/ME aircraft as a flying instructor then it is preferable if feasible? Is this what the majority of people do?
If anyone knows of a website where it specifically states the hours requirement for UK Airlines it would be very helpful as it gives one a goal of something to work towards.
Thanks
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: kuwait
Class/Type ratings - what is the difference ?
hi ....
i was reading on CAA SRG website regarding flight crew licence ....and i noticed 2 things ( type rating / class rating ) ..what is the difference between them ?
appreciated..
i was reading on CAA SRG website regarding flight crew licence ....and i noticed 2 things ( type rating / class rating ) ..what is the difference between them ?
appreciated..
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From: Somewhere In The South China Sea
Isn't the class rating like Single Engine or Multi engine piston? generally for when you have not got a type rating, whereas the type rating speaks for itself, you obtain a type rating for any turbo prop or jet engined aircraft
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From: Lost
Originally Posted by Deano777
Isn't the class rating like Single Engine or Multi engine piston?
The rating would be descriptive of the type itself.
NP