Type Rating - which type, where, why pay etc?

[FLYbyWIT]

Astraeus / FSB / Danfly / Skyblue / Parc / CAE / Gecat / RWL a few of the many just of the top of my head with some producing more cadets then others every single month. However last I heard Ryanair wont take you unless you got significant time on type, the likes of Jet2 or Globespan have preferred routes of taking guys on for example Jet2 just took CTC and OATs APP guys as have Britannia despite the fact they probably have dozens of type rated applicants from various others TRTO's, globespan may prefer to take you from skyblue, Astraeus from Storm and even then they certainly dont need as many as do actually subscribe to the course with them each month and a few of those guys have money to burn on buying block hours. BMI Baby took a few non rated low hours a while ago but obviously preferred to rate them themselves, However in saying all that there is always the odd job/time/place that the rating will pay off but your in the minority, chances increase if you can buy hours but when do you stop spending money- it is an endless pit, but if it lands you that job you will look back and probably care not a jot. As for the 737 guys drying up on the market, I think you can add that along side the myth of a Pilot Shortage just around the corner. A few Years ago it was a HUGE NO NO to do a type rating and now it has become a norm and more and more agencies are springing up with TRTO's to milk us poor bastards for everything and now when talking to people about type ratings because of the amount of people out there with them to distinguish yourself you need experience i.e buy hours.Self Sponsored Type ratings have been around for decades and it carried more weight me thinks ten years ago, five years ago it would distinguish from the crowd and now you need one to nearly join the crowd- a few hundred hours will now get you ahead of the crowd and if your not careful condemed to non aviation related work for the rest of your days paying off bills.
One guy in my local club got a loan for intergrated course and then on top of that another one to pay for a 737 type and at this stage its over 100000euro of a loan with MASSIVE repayments and shortly after Sucessfully landed himself a Jet Job but due to requirement to pay for their Type He "GUESS WHAT" had to turn it down as it was just the breaking point financially for him- What A Pisser. GO for it anyways and have a Plan B to bide your time, Your rating is now on your license but may not be required for years so be patient. I knew another guy who waited nearly 3yrs for a job after his type but when he got it, it was a BBJ.

[Piltdown Man]

Neither, I'd suggest a job flying anything (preferably a turbo-prop). An Airbus rating is 1) expensive, 2) complicated and 3) unable to guarantee a job unless "reasonable" experience on type, say one year. Save your cash so you can live until you get a job.

[Phileas Fogg]

FbT,
You're somewhat behind the times. It is common knowledge, now, that their is no tie-up between Astraeus and Storm.
I understand that Storm changed management/ownership towards the back end of last year and at that time the tie-up with Astraeus was severed.

[Send Clowns]

FbW

Wrong in other areas as well. For example I know people get into Jet2 unrated from other routes, albeit with instructional hours. Ryanair will take you at low hours (I know 3 there now) but only if you pass interview and check flight before the type rating. BMI Baby the same. Can see why - the rumour is that Astraeus started doing the same after getting some really crap pilots who had paid for type ratings.

I think you are posting some rumours and some of the companies' official policies, with possibly some out-of-date information. Very few companies seem actually to stick rigidly (or even at all) to their own policy - even BA don't really care if you have integrated training, or even know the difference as far as I can see.

P.S. Ever heard of paragraphs? Awfully tiring to read a stream of text!

[moggiee]

I think you are posting some rumours

on the Professional Pilot's RUMOUR NEtwork that just won't do!

[FlyingForFun]

Number,

Forgive me for not directly answering your question. Also forgive me if I've misunderstood your post. But if I understand you correctly, what you are saying is that because (you believe) there are fewer B737-rated pilots than there used to be, you should now get a B737 rating?

Surely you are looking at this the wrong way around? The way I look at it, if there are fewer B737-rated pilots then that is a good reason not to pay for the type-rating myself. With fewer rated pilots around (if that really is the case), the chances are now better than ever that airlines will hire you without the rating and pay for your rating.

FFF
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[Turkish777]

Good call 'Flying for fun' I think its criminal that some of these airlines expect us to pay for our own type ratings, if we all stick to our guns they will all be in the same position BA are in at the moment and they will have to employ little unexperienced guys like me with just minimal hours

[flystudent]

A simple question about Type Ratings...

If you do a type rating course and finish with the final skills test in the sim all done and dusted, are you then able to be signed off as having done the Type rating on said aircraft or do you have to have done the circuits etc etc in the real plane ? (the Base check ?)

Thanks In Advance

FS

[trainer too 2]

No base check is no TR. Unless you are very experienced and the sim and the TRTO is allowed to do zero flight time training.

[BillieBob]

A base check is not required.

The 4 or 6 landings is only an experience requirement for the issue of the type rating. It must be flown with a TRI but not, necessarily, a TRE. Also worth bearing in mind that you have a limit of 6 months between passing the LST and applying for the rating.

[trainer too 2]

To clarify: no base check: you will receive a piece of paper of the TRTO to say you did it. With basecheck: the JAA allows you to put it on your licence.

[willby]

Hi BillieBob
To quote from Lasors:
b) Pass a Licensing Skills test (LST) conducted by an authorised JAR Type Rating Examiner (TRE).
Regards
Willby

[BillieBob]

willby - and this is relevant because.....

Nobody said the LST did not have to be done by a TRE - we're talking about the requirement for (4 or 6) landings to be completed on the aeroplane after the LST.

[willby]

Initial MP Type Rating: Pre-Requisite Training

Hi,
JAR FCL 1.250 states that a valid MEIR is required as a pre-requisite prior to commencing an initial MP Type Rating course. However, Lasors 2005 states that a valid MEIR within the last five years is all that is required and from recent posts I believe this is the current requirement of the CAA.
Does any Irish licence holder know the position adopted by the IAA in this regard?
Regards
Willby

[IRISHPILOT]

IAA was happy with a current multi IR, no need for a current ME rating. - this was 2 years ago however, but under JAR.
This means you can renew in a sim, so it was one day in Stapleford for me.

cheers, IP

[willby]

Thanks IP.... could you please check your pm's.
Willby

[jamielatham]

How important is Type Rating?...

Hi all;

now this at the moment seems in the distant future, but neatherless here goes...

I am going to naples in the very near future, i am doing the JAA & FAA career pilot course, i will leave holding a JAA FROZEN ATPL, what would be the best deal, apply for a job as that, or use my own money to get like a A320 type rating?

i guess the type rating depends what airline i want to apply for

Any comments will be appreciated!

Thanks


Jay

[Sheep Guts]

Hi Jamie,
A type rating is not really a prerequesit for finishing your qualifications and never will be. More than likely after completing your training and get some experience, this should be eoungh to elevate you in the indiviual airline recruiters or human rescources eyes.

I didnt see this and though with qualifications I may be able to pick up a job and infact I was 9/10ths of the way there but missed out. Since then I have struggled to get any interviews and most of replies run along the lines of " sorry Sir, but our minimum requirements are 500hours on type" and this fact is all they are interested in. Not the fact that I have 5500tt plus 3000Hours Multi Turbo Prop Command, 4 ATPLS and a multitude of international experience.

So in short I dont recommend it. But its a personal decision. I know of many sucess stories , but there are just as many if not more unsuceesfull.

I dont fully belive Im unsucessfull and will continue to apply for positions for that one off chance I get an interview and maybe a start. The first 500hours is the toughest.

If you do consider doing it ensure you have a job to go to and have it in writing. I was 37 and had nothing to lose at the time.

Sheep

Im still 37

[AIRWAY]

Some will argue that a TR will give you better chance than someone without one, others will tell you the opposite.

Some airliners prefer type rated pilots others don't.

It all varies accordingly so the choice is yours

[jamielatham]

Thanks for the Replys, i will seriously sit down the think about it!

Thanks


Jay