CPL/ATPL qualifying hours requirements
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Keygrip, as you are in the know, can you tell me if this is ok.
I am finishing my IAA ATPL's ( 3 left to do ) in April. If during that time I do my 300nm cross country in Irish airspace, and subsequently do my CPL in the US, I will be doing this under the authority of the CAA ( which now recognise IAA ATPL's and vice versa). Will they recognise the cross country undertaken in Ireland?
Thanks if you can clarify
I am finishing my IAA ATPL's ( 3 left to do ) in April. If during that time I do my 300nm cross country in Irish airspace, and subsequently do my CPL in the US, I will be doing this under the authority of the CAA ( which now recognise IAA ATPL's and vice versa). Will they recognise the cross country undertaken in Ireland?
Thanks if you can clarify
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ATPL-requirements
I'm sorry if it's already explained somewhere....
I'm not sure that I got it right.
When I get CPL/IR,what do I need for ATPL?
1500 hours experience?Is this right?
Where do I get experience if I don't have ATPL?
Can I start ATPL without any experience?
Any explanation would be appreciated.
I'm not sure that I got it right.
When I get CPL/IR,what do I need for ATPL?
1500 hours experience?Is this right?
Where do I get experience if I don't have ATPL?
Can I start ATPL without any experience?
Any explanation would be appreciated.
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After your training, you will have a CPL/IR and an MCC, and credits in the ATPL written exams, which is commonly known (in the UK at least) as a "frozen ATPL".
With this, you can (in theory, at least) get a job in the right hand seat of an airliner.
In order to get an ATPL, you must have 1500 hours total flying time, which must include 500 hours in a multi-crew environment, as well as several other requirements. Once you meet these requirements, your license is upgraded to an ATPL, and you can now be Captain of a multi-crew aircraft.
Hope that clears it up for you.
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With this, you can (in theory, at least) get a job in the right hand seat of an airliner.
In order to get an ATPL, you must have 1500 hours total flying time, which must include 500 hours in a multi-crew environment, as well as several other requirements. Once you meet these requirements, your license is upgraded to an ATPL, and you can now be Captain of a multi-crew aircraft.
Hope that clears it up for you.
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you also need to pass the 14 written exams. oh, and 500 hours of your flying needs to be PIC. Once you have CPL/IR and ATPL exams, you have a frozen ATPL (fATPL) and can apply for first officer jobs. Then you build up your 1500 hours to unfreeze the ATPL.
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Once you pass your atpl theory,get your CPL/IR and mcc you get a frozen atpl.
To get it unfrozen (basically to get a full atpl licence) you need, if my air law memory serves me right
1500 total time of which
100 hours night
75 hours are on instruments,
500 hours mulit crew
750 hours pilot in command of aeroplanes
One or two more requirments i think
Dont quote me on the above, my air law is a bit rusty.
But in a nutshell, once you have a frozen atpl, you can apply for work as a FO with an airline. You wont be able to get your full atpl until you get a job with an airline or some other operator of multi crew aircraft because of the requirement for multi crew time.
To get it unfrozen (basically to get a full atpl licence) you need, if my air law memory serves me right
1500 total time of which
100 hours night
75 hours are on instruments,
500 hours mulit crew
750 hours pilot in command of aeroplanes
One or two more requirments i think
Dont quote me on the above, my air law is a bit rusty.
But in a nutshell, once you have a frozen atpl, you can apply for work as a FO with an airline. You wont be able to get your full atpl until you get a job with an airline or some other operator of multi crew aircraft because of the requirement for multi crew time.
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ok,maybe I'm dumb or it's different in my language 
The guy from the airline I contacted told me that they recruite pilots with CPL,two engine IFR and enrolled,subscribed ATPL*
Is this frozen ATPL?
CPL + two engine IFR = ???? CPL/IR?
Thanx
The guy from the airline I contacted told me that they recruite pilots with CPL,two engine IFR and enrolled,subscribed ATPL*
Is this frozen ATPL?
CPL + two engine IFR = ???? CPL/IR?
Thanx
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Guimaraes,
Don't know what a "enrolled,subscribed ATPL*" is, but if you are going for a job as an FO, then you will need
a) CPL
b) Multi Engine IR
c) MCC
If you are going for a job as a Captain you need
a) ATPL
To go from a CPL with Multi Engine IR and MCC to obtaining a ATPL you need the following
1500 Hours Total Time
500 Hours Multi Crew
100 Hours Night
75 Hours Instrument Time
250 Hours PIC (including 150 hours Co Pilot PICUS)
200 Hours Cross Country (including 100 hours Co Pilot PICUS)
You will also need to have passed all of the ATPL Theory exams
And finally, for the licence to be issued, you must have passed an ATPL skills test. This is either an LST or LPC on a multi crew aircraft.
As to how you get that experience, everyone does this as a co-pilot or first officer.
Don't know what a "enrolled,subscribed ATPL*" is, but if you are going for a job as an FO, then you will need
a) CPL
b) Multi Engine IR
c) MCC
If you are going for a job as a Captain you need
a) ATPL
To go from a CPL with Multi Engine IR and MCC to obtaining a ATPL you need the following
1500 Hours Total Time
500 Hours Multi Crew
100 Hours Night
75 Hours Instrument Time
250 Hours PIC (including 150 hours Co Pilot PICUS)
200 Hours Cross Country (including 100 hours Co Pilot PICUS)
You will also need to have passed all of the ATPL Theory exams
And finally, for the licence to be issued, you must have passed an ATPL skills test. This is either an LST or LPC on a multi crew aircraft.
As to how you get that experience, everyone does this as a co-pilot or first officer.
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CPL(A) / IR
Comercial
Pilot Licence
Instrument Rating integrated
C - 172
158:30
C – 152
07:00
C – 310
21:30
Flight training device
15:00
Theory
680 hours
ATPL (A)
Theory Modular course
Theory
400 hours
This is from website of the flight school where I want to go...
Ok,so when I get CPL/IR,I can start ATPL,but I can pass only theory and then I get fATPL with which I can work as F/O.After I get all the hours needed,I can get full ATPL.
Did I get it right?
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Download this:
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...detail&id=1591
It's Lasors 2006, scan down to the APTL section, "G", I think from memory. Or give them a call on :
Safety Regulation Group
Civil Aviation Authority
Aviation House
Gatwick Airport South
West Sussex RH6 0YR
T: 01293 567171
Ask for Flight Crew Licencing Dept, they are pretty helpful ... usually.
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...detail&id=1591
It's Lasors 2006, scan down to the APTL section, "G", I think from memory. Or give them a call on :
Safety Regulation Group
Civil Aviation Authority
Aviation House
Gatwick Airport South
West Sussex RH6 0YR
T: 01293 567171
Ask for Flight Crew Licencing Dept, they are pretty helpful ... usually.
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CPL experience requirements
A simple question really.
In LASORS is specifies that for the CPL experience on a modular course an applicant must have 20 hours VFR time as PIC including a cross country flight of 300nm in the course of which landings at two areodromes different from the aerodrome of departure are to be made.
My question is about the 300nm trip.
Is that 300nm from the departure aerodrome or is it a route distance of 300nm?
In the US the requirement is for one cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles total distance, with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which is a straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the original departure point. This has to be done SOLO.
In LASORS is specifies that for the CPL experience on a modular course an applicant must have 20 hours VFR time as PIC including a cross country flight of 300nm in the course of which landings at two areodromes different from the aerodrome of departure are to be made.
My question is about the 300nm trip.
Is that 300nm from the departure aerodrome or is it a route distance of 300nm?
In the US the requirement is for one cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles total distance, with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which is a straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the original departure point. This has to be done SOLO.
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This has been covered many times before - use the search function next time but for what it's worth:
So that's just 300nm total.
LASORS D1.2A
20 hours cross country flight time as Pilot-in-Command, including , a VFR cross-country flight of at least 540km (300 nm) in the course of which full-stop
landings at two aerodromes different from the aerodromes of departure shall be
made;
20 hours cross country flight time as Pilot-in-Command, including , a VFR cross-country flight of at least 540km (300 nm) in the course of which full-stop
landings at two aerodromes different from the aerodromes of departure shall be
made;
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If you dont mind I have question I would like to ask about this subject:
Once you do the PPL cross country you have the sheet of paper which you get signed at each aerodrome...whats the procedure for the CPL one? Do you just use your log book?
I'm doing a flight next month that would definately full fill this requirement and just wondering how I present this as a completed module to the CAA?
Once you do the PPL cross country you have the sheet of paper which you get signed at each aerodrome...whats the procedure for the CPL one? Do you just use your log book?
I'm doing a flight next month that would definately full fill this requirement and just wondering how I present this as a completed module to the CAA?
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No signatures or paperwork is required for the cross country qualifier. The CAA are happy to take your logbook on face value. If you want to be sure though, you could always keep receipts of your landing fees.