CPL/ATPL qualifying hours requirements

[too_sleepy]

Hi
Right now I'm building a few hours in San Diego and want to get the 300 NM cross country done. Does the CAA look for anything other than my logbook entry to check that I've completed a flight of 300 NM? I'm not flying with a school so they can't confirm the flight. I'd hate to get it done and then be told Oh no you need this form signed somone at the destination airfield.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

[Mercenary Pilot]

Nah, youve just got to show 2 land aways. I was going to put the distance in my logbook but I forgot, nobody said anything so ether they measured the route or more likly took my word for it.

When you fill in your CPL/IR application form you just need to put in the date you did it and they will check the relevent entrys in your log.

I flew coast to coast in Florida and then down to the Keys.

[too_sleepy]

Hi
Thanks for the reply. The cross country is tomorrow, probably Vegas as I've flown 1/2 of the route already.

[Luke SkyToddler]

Dont know what country you are planning to get your licence issued in but I can definitely tell you that in Australia / NZ the ICAO 300 miler has to be signed off in your logbook by an instructor or the CAA won't accept it ...

[mightymouse111]

I have come across individuals that have had their flights checked and had to re-do them. This was not because they did not do them but because there was no evidence to prove it. To make sure I would try and get a form (similiar to the PPL qualifier) signed.

Nb; The CAA are wise that many a dodgy pilot may not fly it and put an entry in their book!!!(esp in another country) and if it turns out that person lied..........not nice!!

[helicopter-redeye]

Photocopy the techlog for the flights.

If your paying for the hire then you would not increase the numbers ...

Either way, it is a legal document and the easiest way of giving proof from a second source.

h-r

[too_sleepy]

Thanks for the tips. the club I rent from don't have a problem giving me something in writing anf one of the FAA instructors will sign my logbook.
One other question, do any of the legs need to be a minimum length? Apparently the FAA regs. are one leg of 250 NM, this would make the flight far more difficult for me in San Diego.

Thanks again

[BigGrecian]

Might be worth nothing that the CAA will not accept X-Country trips which were split over two days. They say it is reasonable to do it in one day - which I agree with therefore it as to be done on the one day.

[FlyingRat]

CAA will accept it over two days if you have a valid excuse.

My aircraft went tech at Southend on the Saturday and I finished the flight off on the Monday.

CAA had no problems with this

[FlyingForFun]

Might be worth nothing that the CAA will not accept X-Country trips which were split over two days. They say it is reasonable to do it in one day - which I agree with therefore it as to be done on the one day

I did mine over two days. I've never been asked for "a valid excuse" either. On the CPL and the FI(R) application forms, I just put "15-16 Jan" (or whatever the dates were) and no one has queried it.

FFF
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[Linda Mollison]

They changed the rules last December but, in ther own inimitable fashion, have not bothered to tell anyone (and it is not in the new version of LASORS!)

But I have it on authority from the CAA that it should be done in one day, but if there is a valid reason why not, e.g. weather, tech problems, they will accept it over two days.

[mad_jock]

Mine was 8 sectors of about 50 nm's each.

Didn't actually mean to do the qualifier at the time just when i thought i should get my finger out and do it realised i already had.


No signatures just at he end of the hour build got the CFI to sign that all entrys were correct.


The joys of finding things to do in Florida

[PGA]

ATPL Requirements

I have been looking in to the several hours requirements to unfreeze my ATPL. Subsequently it said i need 100 hours PIC. I believe the hours i fly in a multi crew environment don`t count as PIC but as Supervised Pilot in Command, SPIC.

Would anybody be able to shed some light on this rule? Since i`ve undergone an integrated course i`ve only get something in the order of 50 pic solo hours, the rest is all SPIC, so this would still leave me around 50 hours short of the requirement.

So have any off you been through this process already?

[Strepsils]

PIC, SPIC, PICUS, P1/US - As far as applying for your licence is concerned they are all the same. You should know that your integrated course requires a minimum of 100PIC for initial licence issue, hence you already have it.

I believe the hours i fly in a multi crew environment don`t count as PIC but as Supervised Pilot in Command, SPIC

Not necessarily true. Assuming your aircraft is a certified multi-crew aircraft then you will log PICUS when it's your sector and P2 when it's the captains sector.

If you are UK based I suggest you go to www.caa.co.uk and download LASORs 2006

[PGA]

Yes my aircraft is indeed a multi crew aircraft, so all of "my sectors" in effect are PIC...although logged as picus or spic or whatever your logbook calls it? If so thats good news

[Lord Flashheart]

What is the difference between SPIC and PICUS? Are they exactly the same thing? When would you log hours as SPIC compared to PICUS?

At what point does PUT become SPIC during CPL/IR training? Or is the whole CPL/IR course logged as PUT due to no solo time being included?

Thanks

[PGA]

Strepsils, after having checked the lasors its still not 100% clear to me. They say you need 250 hours pic, of which 150 hours can be copilot hours logged as spic/picus. That still leaves me with 100 hours of which i only have 50.

Is there anybody out there who after having undergone an integrated course walked into the same problem?

[Sempre Volando]

Give the CAA a ring - There will prob be some dispensation or rule for Integrated course students since nowadays you only complete the course with about 170hrs TT? I know of pilots in my airline who were integrated during the last 3 years or so and now have Full ATPL's. I doubt they would have had 100hrs PIC (solo) whatever you want to call it since they all got jobs with around 180hrs TT.

[Strepsils]

Aaaarrgghh! Work with me here PGA!

You say you did an integrated course, just like I did. That means to get your CPL you had 100 hours PIC, made up of your 50 hours PIC and 50 hours SPIC. You have had 100 hours PIC since the day you finished your flying training! Add you 150+ hours PICUS as a co-pilot and you're ready to go! Just make sure you get those night hours

LF - It was explained to me as :
SPIC - Student Pilot in Command i.e. flying a single pilot a/c such as a Seneca as P1 but with an instructor on board at all times.
PICUS -(or P1/US) - Pilot in Command under supervision i.e. Multi-crew aircraft and flying as P1 when you are not the captain. You are not P1 as you are not the Commander but it is your sector, hence you log P1 and remark PICUS in the remarks column.

[BEagle]

The applicant for or the holder of a pilot
licence may log as pilot-in-command time all
solo flight time and flight time as student
pilot-in-command provided that such SPIC
time is countersigned by the instructor and is
part of an approved syllabus of training.

Student pilot-in-command (SPIC):

Flight time during which the flight instructor will only observe the student
acting as pilot-in-command and shall not influence or control the flight of the
aircraft. SPIC hours can only be accredited for graduates of Integrated
Courses for ATPL (A)/(H) and CPL(A)/IR