ATPL Ground study material: books, DVDs, computer programs etc.
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I'm in a similar situation, ie. don't need approved course. Bristol offers all their notes on CD for 350 pounds. You can also buy the printed notes seperately with no brush up course for 1100 pounds. I figure you can do a lot of printing for 750 pounds!
The brush up courses cost around 400 pounds for each 2 week course if you want to do these seperately. Considering the exams cost 80 pounds a pop to write, plus accom and flights in your case, it might be worth considering doing these.
The brush up courses cost around 400 pounds for each 2 week course if you want to do these seperately. Considering the exams cost 80 pounds a pop to write, plus accom and flights in your case, it might be worth considering doing these.
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If you look on the BGS website on the prices page at the bottom, it says "buying the course in bits" and quotes £85 per manual, they probably quoted you including the manuals on CD which would work out about £1100
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keep a look out on Ebay
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WHICH ARE THE BEST ATPL MANUALS????
Dear all
My son will start an intergrated course in October for the Frozen ATPL because due to some business obligations cant any earlier. He asked me for his birthday present a complete set of ATPL manual to start reading on his own and have an idea before he starts training.
I went to buy them as a present and I found that there are many of them and every salesman has its own opinion. One says buy the Oxford ones, because the books have 8000 pages with everything very detailed inside. Other say Jeppesen are the most current in the market and easy to study.Others say that Cranfield are the most easy to pass the exams. I also been presented of a Nordian set of books.
Because I dont know anything about them can anybody help me with the advantages and the disadvantages of each of the mentioned ATPL manuals (OXFORD,JEPPESEN,CRANFIELD,NORDIAN).
My opinion till now is that Cranfield seem a little bit patchwork. OXFORDs 8000 pages seem too big and someone that wants to have an idea of everything (not a comprehensive learning) in a 4 months period may be descouraged of the big mass of pages.
Your help will be much appreciated.
Best regards
Dr. Ray
My son will start an intergrated course in October for the Frozen ATPL because due to some business obligations cant any earlier. He asked me for his birthday present a complete set of ATPL manual to start reading on his own and have an idea before he starts training.
I went to buy them as a present and I found that there are many of them and every salesman has its own opinion. One says buy the Oxford ones, because the books have 8000 pages with everything very detailed inside. Other say Jeppesen are the most current in the market and easy to study.Others say that Cranfield are the most easy to pass the exams. I also been presented of a Nordian set of books.
Because I dont know anything about them can anybody help me with the advantages and the disadvantages of each of the mentioned ATPL manuals (OXFORD,JEPPESEN,CRANFIELD,NORDIAN).
My opinion till now is that Cranfield seem a little bit patchwork. OXFORDs 8000 pages seem too big and someone that wants to have an idea of everything (not a comprehensive learning) in a 4 months period may be descouraged of the big mass of pages.
Your help will be much appreciated.
Best regards
Dr. Ray
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personally i would have waited, there are surely going to be manuals included in the course he will be doing, could you not ask the school for the manuals in advance rather than have to get 2 sets?
however i attended bristol ground school and found there manuals excellent
www.bristol.gs
however i attended bristol ground school and found there manuals excellent
www.bristol.gs
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Hello there
If your son is starting an integrated course he should really be getting the manuals free as part of the course. I am currently a student at Oxford so am biased, i do think the manuals are really informative, however, i wouldn't recommend reading them without the top class tuition that one recieves from the instructors, especially here at Oxford! In fact it can be quite daunting when you first see the manuals!
I would recommend revising maths and physics. Oh yeah and for him to enjoy himself before he embarks on his course, because it's going to be a tough course, especially the groundschool and unfortunately the only socialising he'll be doing is with his atpl manuals.
Hope this helps
Bozzato
If your son is starting an integrated course he should really be getting the manuals free as part of the course. I am currently a student at Oxford so am biased, i do think the manuals are really informative, however, i wouldn't recommend reading them without the top class tuition that one recieves from the instructors, especially here at Oxford! In fact it can be quite daunting when you first see the manuals!
I would recommend revising maths and physics. Oh yeah and for him to enjoy himself before he embarks on his course, because it's going to be a tough course, especially the groundschool and unfortunately the only socialising he'll be doing is with his atpl manuals.
Hope this helps
Bozzato
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If you buy him ANOTHER set of manuals then you are adding to the study load.
Why not buy a CRP5 Navigation Slide Rule or a subscription to the on-line question bank?
The Q Bank would allow him to see the style and focus of the questions. The CRP5 is expensive (for what it is) so would be a valuable present that would remain in service when active as a pilot, so a better 'keepsake' as well.
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Why not buy a CRP5 Navigation Slide Rule or a subscription to the on-line question bank?
The Q Bank would allow him to see the style and focus of the questions. The CRP5 is expensive (for what it is) so would be a valuable present that would remain in service when active as a pilot, so a better 'keepsake' as well.
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what manuals to buy ?
I WOULD AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT THE PREVIOUS POSTS HAVE SAID AND YOU WILL GET LOADS OF ADVICE ON WHICH MANUALS ARE BEST FROM WHICH SCHOOL BUT I WOULD THINK ABOUT THE FOLLOWING
1 DOES HE HAVE A PPL AND IF NOT WHY NOT GET HIM AT LEAST UP TO BASICS BY LOOKING AT AFE OR TREVOR THOM PPL MANUALS WHICH CAN BE BOUGHT ON EBAY VERY CHEAPLY.
2 TO HELP HIS KNOWLEDGE, OXFORD DO A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CD ROMS ON MOST SUBJECTS WHICH ARE INVALUABLE, EXAMPLES ARE MET, CRP 5 WHICH I WOULD SAY HE WOULD DEFINETELY NEED( MAKE SURE ITS NOT CRP 1 AS THIS WILL BE NO USE TO HIM FOR ATPL STUDY) IFR AND VFR COMS, IS HIS MATHS AND PHYSICS UP TO SCRATCH, IF NOT THE MATHS AND PHYSICS CD ROMS ARE EXCELLENT, PISTON ENGINES, OR THERE IS THE COMPLETE SET FOR PPL USE WHICH WOULD GIVE HIM A GOOD GROUNDING IN MOST OF THE SUBJECTS.
3 BRISTOL MANUALS ARE EXCELLENT AND HAVE A BRILLIANT CD ROM COVERING ALL THE SUBJECTS FOR ATPL LEVEL AND YOU CAN BUY THIS FOR £350.00 SEPERATELY, BUT CRP 5 INSTRUCTION IS NOT AS GOOD AS OXFORDS.
4 I THINK BUYING MANUALS IS OK BUT THE CD ROMS ARE A BETTER BET AS HE CAN USE THESE TO SUPPLEMENT HIS MANUALS FROM WHATEVER INTEGTATED PROVIDER HE GETS HIS MANUALS FROM.
ANYWAY THIS IS ONLY AN OPINION AND I AM SURE YOU WILL GET PLENTY OF FEEDBACK ON THIS TOPIC. TELL HIM GOOD LUCK WITH HIS STUDIES AND IF YOU REQUIRE MORE INFO JUST POST YOUR REPLY ON THIS SITE.
1 DOES HE HAVE A PPL AND IF NOT WHY NOT GET HIM AT LEAST UP TO BASICS BY LOOKING AT AFE OR TREVOR THOM PPL MANUALS WHICH CAN BE BOUGHT ON EBAY VERY CHEAPLY.
2 TO HELP HIS KNOWLEDGE, OXFORD DO A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CD ROMS ON MOST SUBJECTS WHICH ARE INVALUABLE, EXAMPLES ARE MET, CRP 5 WHICH I WOULD SAY HE WOULD DEFINETELY NEED( MAKE SURE ITS NOT CRP 1 AS THIS WILL BE NO USE TO HIM FOR ATPL STUDY) IFR AND VFR COMS, IS HIS MATHS AND PHYSICS UP TO SCRATCH, IF NOT THE MATHS AND PHYSICS CD ROMS ARE EXCELLENT, PISTON ENGINES, OR THERE IS THE COMPLETE SET FOR PPL USE WHICH WOULD GIVE HIM A GOOD GROUNDING IN MOST OF THE SUBJECTS.
3 BRISTOL MANUALS ARE EXCELLENT AND HAVE A BRILLIANT CD ROM COVERING ALL THE SUBJECTS FOR ATPL LEVEL AND YOU CAN BUY THIS FOR £350.00 SEPERATELY, BUT CRP 5 INSTRUCTION IS NOT AS GOOD AS OXFORDS.
4 I THINK BUYING MANUALS IS OK BUT THE CD ROMS ARE A BETTER BET AS HE CAN USE THESE TO SUPPLEMENT HIS MANUALS FROM WHATEVER INTEGTATED PROVIDER HE GETS HIS MANUALS FROM.
ANYWAY THIS IS ONLY AN OPINION AND I AM SURE YOU WILL GET PLENTY OF FEEDBACK ON THIS TOPIC. TELL HIM GOOD LUCK WITH HIS STUDIES AND IF YOU REQUIRE MORE INFO JUST POST YOUR REPLY ON THIS SITE.
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Thank you all
You are very helpful but the problem is the following:
1) He now finishes a Bachelor in applied physics so there is no need to revise maths or physics at all
2) He is a PPL
4) The integrated course he will attend is with Bristol GS into the price and he doesnt want them twice.
5) Most important: He asked for this manuals and I wanted to surprize him.
So now can you please tell me the pros and the cons between Jeppesen,Oxford,Cranfield and Nordian ATPL manuals in order not to just throw 600pound.
Thank you all for your immediate replies!
Best regards!!!
Dr. Ray
You are very helpful but the problem is the following:
1) He now finishes a Bachelor in applied physics so there is no need to revise maths or physics at all
2) He is a PPL
4) The integrated course he will attend is with Bristol GS into the price and he doesnt want them twice.
5) Most important: He asked for this manuals and I wanted to surprize him.
So now can you please tell me the pros and the cons between Jeppesen,Oxford,Cranfield and Nordian ATPL manuals in order not to just throw 600pound.
Thank you all for your immediate replies!
Best regards!!!
Dr. Ray
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I used Phil Croucher's JAR Professional Pilot Studies for a good convenient overview (covers ATPL) - I also saw a PPL version if you don't want to go that high. No question workbook as yet.
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Dr Ray There isn't a student in existence, and precious few instructors, who has studied the various different schools' manuals in order to make an objective assessment of their relative merits, so you have absolutely no chance of getting a reliable answer to your question.
Of the publishers you mention, all provide excellent information for the examination system they are designed to service. Pooley's sell at least three of the four you mention, so why don't you ask them what they think? They're bound to have a few instructors in their staff who've compared the books.
That said, the point made above by several of your respondants is valid: why buy them at all? The course your son has contracted for will include all the relevant manuals, and I'm sure BGS will provide them in advance if requested to do so. It seems to me that you're hoping that spending extra money now will help your son's chances in the examinations later. If you want to do that, get him some private tuition. I'm sure it's available to those with enough cash, and I would think that whatever study materials are required could be provided. However, I think you'll find that the BGS course and a fair bit of work on your son's part will be quite sufficient to pass the exams.
As your son is still studying at Uni, don't you think he deserves a bit of a break before he takes on the huge workload of the ATPLs? Spend the money on a holiday for him!
Scroggs
Of the publishers you mention, all provide excellent information for the examination system they are designed to service. Pooley's sell at least three of the four you mention, so why don't you ask them what they think? They're bound to have a few instructors in their staff who've compared the books.
That said, the point made above by several of your respondants is valid: why buy them at all? The course your son has contracted for will include all the relevant manuals, and I'm sure BGS will provide them in advance if requested to do so. It seems to me that you're hoping that spending extra money now will help your son's chances in the examinations later. If you want to do that, get him some private tuition. I'm sure it's available to those with enough cash, and I would think that whatever study materials are required could be provided. However, I think you'll find that the BGS course and a fair bit of work on your son's part will be quite sufficient to pass the exams.
As your son is still studying at Uni, don't you think he deserves a bit of a break before he takes on the huge workload of the ATPLs? Spend the money on a holiday for him!
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I have to agree with Scroggs and the other posters
DON'T BUY MULTIPLE ATPL NOTES
If he's signed up with Bristol GS, the notes he will get along with the tuition will see him good. He / You have made a good choice there. I did all 14 exams with them, first time passes in all. An excellent school in my opinion.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but neither you or your son have experience of the ATPL theory process and when those that have tell you not to buy multiple sets, they do so from experience. It's merely duplication and they will say the same things, albeit from a slightly diferent perspective.
This game is expensive enough as it is. I would put the money towards a CRP5, online question bank from BGS, accom and food on the crammer and any left over to go on the flying afterwards.
Good luck to your son. It's hard work, much harder than a degree in my opinion (Mech Eng at least !!!)
DON'T BUY MULTIPLE ATPL NOTES
If he's signed up with Bristol GS, the notes he will get along with the tuition will see him good. He / You have made a good choice there. I did all 14 exams with them, first time passes in all. An excellent school in my opinion.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but neither you or your son have experience of the ATPL theory process and when those that have tell you not to buy multiple sets, they do so from experience. It's merely duplication and they will say the same things, albeit from a slightly diferent perspective.
This game is expensive enough as it is. I would put the money towards a CRP5, online question bank from BGS, accom and food on the crammer and any left over to go on the flying afterwards.
Good luck to your son. It's hard work, much harder than a degree in my opinion (Mech Eng at least !!!)
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Another question!!! Serious one!
Thank you all !!!
You were very helpful. I thing it would be best to buy some other things and not these manuals.
Another matter came into my mind during this reseach. And I cannot understand it.
Oxford books are in total 8000 pages. Jeppesen are in total 4000.
I am a layer living in Greece and I know from my studies back in the Univeristy days that the subjects are several and whatever edition I could choose the number of pages etc would be more or less the same.
In aviation doesnt happens the same? How it happens and Oxford manuals and course is 8000 pages, and Jeppesen is half at the same price? I cant understand this at all.
I am not the potential pilot but as a parent I am trying to understand the whole concept.Could somebody explain why there is no certain amount of reading and studying and what is the difference of 4000 pages????
From my point of view its either a marketing way of Oxford to make you follow their course and school, or if not then Jeppesen doent contain everything somebody needs to know...
Cant understand it at all. 4000 pages is a H U G E difference and I will not ask of the volume of the other brands.
Please help me with that, I will be very grateful once more!
Best regards
Dr. Ray
You were very helpful. I thing it would be best to buy some other things and not these manuals.
Another matter came into my mind during this reseach. And I cannot understand it.
Oxford books are in total 8000 pages. Jeppesen are in total 4000.
I am a layer living in Greece and I know from my studies back in the Univeristy days that the subjects are several and whatever edition I could choose the number of pages etc would be more or less the same.
In aviation doesnt happens the same? How it happens and Oxford manuals and course is 8000 pages, and Jeppesen is half at the same price? I cant understand this at all.
I am not the potential pilot but as a parent I am trying to understand the whole concept.Could somebody explain why there is no certain amount of reading and studying and what is the difference of 4000 pages????
From my point of view its either a marketing way of Oxford to make you follow their course and school, or if not then Jeppesen doent contain everything somebody needs to know...
Cant understand it at all. 4000 pages is a H U G E difference and I will not ask of the volume of the other brands.
Please help me with that, I will be very grateful once more!
Best regards
Dr. Ray
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To be honest with all
My son created an accnount in PPrune and that "rayden" is from a game he plays in Playstation which I dont know the name.
I only use this account for my research.
John Pertucci if you be a parent and your son after 25 years of his life (which contain 4 year at the University and 2 in the army everything paid by me) and before earning a penny, asks you for 75.000 - 90000 Euros for becoming a pilot be sure that you would do a B I G research of where your money go, and If every penny worths to try... and you would love to hear every detail of the matter called aviation-atpl-books-manuals etc....
Regards
Dr. Ray
I only use this account for my research.
John Pertucci if you be a parent and your son after 25 years of his life (which contain 4 year at the University and 2 in the army everything paid by me) and before earning a penny, asks you for 75.000 - 90000 Euros for becoming a pilot be sure that you would do a B I G research of where your money go, and If every penny worths to try... and you would love to hear every detail of the matter called aviation-atpl-books-manuals etc....
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DIFFERENCE IN OXFORD AND OTHERS
as someone who attended oxford there are a few reasons for this though it doesnt completely explain 4000 pages.
1 oxford have a huge amount of quizzes and therefore questions and so alot of additional pages in each manual.
2 oxford have a lot of cap booklets built into their manuals in relevant subjects
3 oxford have an extra manual that is called reference material which in itself is quite a large manual.
4 there are quite a lot of graphics in the oxford manual which take up a lot of extra pages.
5 most of the other manual suppliers have 2 manuals for the subject of aircraft general , oxford have 3 manuals.
6 oxford go into far more detail in their manuals than most of the others i have seen.
hope this all helps
1 oxford have a huge amount of quizzes and therefore questions and so alot of additional pages in each manual.
2 oxford have a lot of cap booklets built into their manuals in relevant subjects
3 oxford have an extra manual that is called reference material which in itself is quite a large manual.
4 there are quite a lot of graphics in the oxford manual which take up a lot of extra pages.
5 most of the other manual suppliers have 2 manuals for the subject of aircraft general , oxford have 3 manuals.
6 oxford go into far more detail in their manuals than most of the others i have seen.
hope this all helps
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Please friends dont forget the question of 4000 pages difference
Dear all please dont forget to reply me of the reason why Oxford manuals are 4000 pages more than Jeppesen which I totally cant undrestand
Dr. Ray
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