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Old 22nd Sep 2006, 18:30
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would there be a need of conversion? would airlines look less favourably at a candidate who got his license in greece??
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No, a conversion is not needed, you would be issued a JAA license by the HCAA, I put that link on because alot of people keep asking.

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Check the Multi hours

Just a note to everyone , 207 of the 236 hours is done on a single engine. A lot of other providers give in the region of 60 hours on multi (flight and Sim) not including an MCC.
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Well, im a PPL instructor, so therefore I’m not sure what hours are done on what as you go onto the commercial side, however, using my math skills, that amounts to 29 hours multi time?

Now the 60 hours you mention are twin & sim, that sounds correct to me also, how many are twin though? Im guessing about 25-30, therefore 30 ish are sim? All our hours are on an aircraft.

So, the decision is what people prefer, aircraft or sim, people will have a preference im sure? Seems reasonable to me....

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Originally Posted by Captain N
yes you can do 0 to fATPL for £30k including accomodation

IF you choose to do only part of your training then VAT applies.

good luck
For me it's not clear: Egnatia wEbsite says AB INITIO ATPL costs € 38.830, but also says: "Please note that the above prices are subject to change and do not include VAT @ 19%". That means that VAT must be added and, then, the real price is € 46.207.
Isn't it?

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Yeah they need to update their website....

No Vat is charged as i understand if you complete the 0-fatpl with them...send them a e-mail and they will confirm it.. .... they do intend to raise the price by 10%, so you will save 9% rather than 19%
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Egnatia Student's Report.....

Good afternoon to everyone here from the sunny Greece.
First of all i would like to introduce myself with honesty as from i have read many doubts exist about who is who and what their role at EGNATIA AVIATION TRAINING is. So my name for your convenience is VIC and yes i am a male. Im doing my ATPL ground at the moment with EGNATIA after finishing my superb hourbuilding around the beautiful and too HOT greek islands.
Many of you are wondering about prices rather than quality at first... i did the same as i want to be honest as i said. After spending a fair amount of money for gaining my PPL in the UK (exeptionally good quality) i was in doubt about my future as all those well-known 'pilot friendly' banks and managers were just unable to help me... im poor and i like it at least at the end of my licenses and training like most of us who are doing the same ill be saying that i have earned them with many sacrifies. Now for everyone like me comes the point of the DECISION MAKING! Honestly what are we looking for? less expensive QUALITY, flexible and secure training!! After managing to do my own extensive research i had the opportunity to meet with both the EGNATIA'S director and ask for as much info as i could.... this conversation was something unusual to my eyes as u dont expect the directors answering your questions. By the way till now and since i have been here these two gentlemen are doing the same and always willing to help. That confirms the EGNATIA'S flight instructor posts about an open doors company and always welcoming questions complains and all that by having a discussions with the directors and instructors accompanied by a COLD FRAPPE coffee. ( seriously u need it).
After extending my writing and sorry if u find it boring, im moving on with my personal experiences good and bad at EGNATIA. A very modern and friendly environment, for me that is important as during our aviation training apart from our home-study conditions which we can modify we need a school fully equipped and with always ready to help instructors. Internet access is unlimited with WI FI (if im right ) technology. Anyway i bring my laptop and im always connected or i use the school's pcs. The library is there to assist and can be used anytime with a very flexible book borrowing system. Now comes my first complaint as i would like the school to expand the library even more. A fter a conversation with our HoT ( HEAD OF TRAINING) DR SMITH he reassured me that orders for more books and tapes have been made and he is willing to ask the students for more ideas or prefferences fro this. A relaxation area with nice and comfy sofas accompanied by a cafe area and a huge screen tv is there for those lovely moments of pilots conversations and of course for times we need or want to watch our favourite programme or something avition related. trust me theres many of them at the school as well as magazines!!
Moving to the apron oohh yes the apron every future pilot's favourite word ( assuming that the old ones are bored of it).Theres four DIAMOND DA-40 ( with more to come) and the stunner EGNA.. thats the twin. Very clean well equipped , maintained and pretty new aircraft. rosteringwise now there is so much flexibility that i have managed to visit every single greek island in 28 days. an advantage is that with prior notice to the school it can be arranged to keep an a/c overnight to wherever u go ( usually weekends). The magic comes as LGKV is an international one and many times it happens to line up before or worst behind an AIRBUS 330 or a boeing 767. the reason for sayin behind is worst is not the wake turbulence but just the jealousy!! ( thats why we are here though , to achieve a right hand seat in one of those).
Instructionwise now our Hot dr Smith is well known very friendly and after spending a week in the classroom with him i achieved a 90% score on the HPL consolidation paper. ( CATS ATPL GUIDES, CATS ground instructors and new methodology which is a EGNATIA-CATS combination of ideas).The in-house course is full time 9:00 - 17:00 everyday and its being done by projection explanations notes and discussions. Till now very happy with the ground school and a proof to myself is my progress. Our CFI chief flying instructor mr GEORGE GEORGIOU has so much experience as the nickname i gave him was the ' moving library'. He is strict and if the examiners expectations with a number is 7 his its 11!! Thats exactly what u need to become a competent pilot. He is straightforward that after flying with you he will tell u tha t u either CAN or CANNOT be a pilot. From my point of view this is excellent.I know situations where the school had to make decisions about pilots ( stay or not stay ). Theres no aptitude testing for us prior joining as many big schools do but if in doubt you wont stay. As i have seen this happening reassures me for the quality of the training. Guys and Girls lets be realistic not everyone can be a pilot and as the school at the moment needs to build up their image and concerning about their product result which is us the pilots they wont let anyone without the abilities to continue just for them to make money.
The reason fro the school being so cheap has been expalined from mr Hall in another reply and i hope its been understood!
Coming now to the rest of the staff the rest of the instructors are well trained very friendly and i cannot give a certain opinion about their flying as it had never happened for me to fly with one of them. The admin staff now are also friendly persons always there for us and they wont say no to things like even taking us to the supermarket. Responsible for our flight plans roster and slots they do all the boring things for us and always smiling! With Maxine the admin manager with can discuss any proble u may have and it will be resolved ASAP. STEPHANOS (MR PC EXPERT our it manager) and christina at the reception will handle our 'pilots' strange characters with patience and they will do their best to accomodate us cheer us up and arrange our fuel and general declerations for when going away!
Thw accomodation now it has nothing to do with halls of residence and it can be a single room in apartments or shared. here now i ask for help on how to submit some fotos of my room ( let me tidy up first) so u can see how it looks like.
finishing off now i have to say again that noone asked me to write this and i am not EGNATIA'S member os staff or instructor!! U are welcome to come see the school talk with us and have some fun too !! why not? Even though i have tried to write a lot i know i have missed many things so do not hesitate to ask and when able i will reply. Im even willing to send pics from oour trips and way of living to ur emails. Ask me and u will get!!!
Thanks for reading this report to all of u and to those who are already flying i wish the best LANDINGS and to everyone good luck with your future!! Im happy with EGNATIA and im confident that i will be till the end!

P.S: i forgot to say that people from major airlines and not have been around checking the school and doing some research. Dont know what that might mean but if i hear smth i will pass the message!!!

GOOD DAY

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Good Question!!!

Originally Posted by Rapha_BA
Well,the last few days I've been looking at the Egnatia web site,and I've contacted the academy regarding the ab initio programme!I've thought it was an integrated training,they call it "structured modular"!now my Question is,to anyone who knows by experience,how likely am I to come back to the UK after attending this program,and get a Job in a major UK airline such as BA,been myself a low hour cadet from a brand new academy that they probally dont know much about and finaly,from a "structured modular" background??Honestly I quitte like what I saw on the site,new aircraft,good facilities,weather is fine as I've been to Greece before and the financial outlay is really atractive,but should I leave my job as an Cabin Crew for British Airways,leaving all the benefits we have knowing that after the 18 months I'll strugle to get a job because is written "modular.." in my cv,plus low hours,and not the"OAT" logo in my performance reports??do you think the airlines here will consider the fact that I'll finish my modular training at the same pace and consistence of an integrated course elsewhere?
Totally agree with u . I have to say though that i used to work for BA and i left to continue my training. its better considering starting ur training soon rather than leave my job or not. Secondly do u have something written saying that when u finish ur training to BA'S favourite lets say school ( dont know which one) they will give the right seat? If yes let me know and im going back to ba 100%. i agree with ur points 100% but lets be realistic... 59 people currently on the pool? im sure u know the situation at ba!! plus u still hold an advantage... u have been working for them and u meet their personality and attitude standards!!! give them a reference from any school and ur ground results finely done at an average of 90% pass the sim check and why not? in aviation u keep on training for life and BA will bring u to their standards dont worry about it!! ASK A BA cpt!! by the way where a re u based? EGLL OR EGKK? IF IN LONDON!! pvt me!! ciao
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Post The VAT questions

As an Egnatia Aviation director I am in a position to inform you that there is no VAT on any 'professional ' training in Greece. This is country regulation and not an Egnatia special aranagement with the tax authorities (we managed to be included in the correct list!!). There are some charges that we are now aware of, and combined with the fuel and instructor rates increased cost, they are forcing us to increase our prices soom. At presnt these charges are absorbed by the company. Our prices will still remain very low and well below the cost if VAT was added at the end.

We will of course honour the prices given to enrolled students - so be quick!

Professional training is considered any of the ATPL modules, including the PPL if the student continues the training so it becomes an ATPL module.

The website has not yet been updated for 2 reasons - firstly we also need to update the rest of the sales and school material (they take longer than the web) and secondly we are still discussing the costs in some of the training packages we have recently introduced such as the FI course and conversions to JAA.

I do appreciate the need to update the web site with this information quickly. We always read with interest all your comments and discussions (we treat it as feed back) so please keep posting. This is a very usefull forum for all of us.

I hope the above helps. Give us a call or visit if you want to discuss anything or for further information.

Happy landings!!!!!

George Zografakis
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P.S: i forgot to say that people from major airlines and not have been around checking the school and doing some research. Dont know what that might mean but if i hear smth i will pass the message!!!
Sounds good, is it possible to say which airlines? georgez, pilot320?
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Exclamation Airlines

I am at the same position as anyone seeking a future having the ability to fly for the airlines. I did say in my post about egnati that i wanted to be honest so i feel like is too soon to disclose any info about the visiting airlines unless smth is for sure guys. I am sure the directors will respond at some point with more info but i can only say what i see feel and happens. hope u understand the reasons!!!
People at the school have seen my post and all said that there will be a lot of critisism about what i say as everything is GOOD. PPRUNE is here to let us discuss things good and bad and democratically to say our opinions and share them. up until now that is what is happening to me and i feel free to write it!!! when a complain arrise be sure i will be here with strong critisism about EGNATIA. im clean and clear!!
By now noone has complained about OAT'S Will posts at a well known magazine. Even though really good thats something that i used to call advertising!! Now having the chance to be a member of a flying traing organization i can understand Will and his way of writing things. He is got a job with an airline as far as i know and if at the end i will get a job as a graduate from EGNATIA why blame them?

BE SURE I WILL SAY ANYTHING GOOD OR BAD!!!

I WANT TO HELP AND I WANT TO BE DOING THAT FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE!! ! ANY COMMENTS ARE MORE THAN WELCOME AND I WILL BE BACK WITH AN ANSWER!!

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I'm very seriously considering going to Egnatia for my CPL/IR. What is the general demographic of students? It seems to me that they have a very heavy emphasis on students from the UK. I'm just wondering what the share apartments are like and the social life (albeit very limited during training!). Although this probably seems trivial this is a major factor in my decision making process as obviously coming down to Greece for six months is a major step away from friends and family!

Also during the hours building phase is it possible to take an aircraft away from base for a few days at a time to do a tour maybe to some of the neighbouring contries?

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Hi there,

At the moment I'm doing the 0-ATPL course at Egnatia, I'm currently doing the first stage of the ATPL Ground School.

Most of the students here generally come from the UK or Greece (I'm from London). The Head of Training is from the UK and the Instructors are a mixture of English and Greek.

The shared accomodation here is comfortable, it's basically a two bedroom flat. Keramoti (where we live) is just down the road from the airport and has some bars and a number of reseraunts. In the summer it gets quite busy with English and German tourists and there are a lot of English who come through Keramoti to go to Thassos Island. In winter it gets quiet but the bars and resteraunts are still open. Everyone at the school is social and we all go out to dinner/lunch/bar/Thassos often. It's always a good laugh! For example, on friday we flew to Zante for the night and came back in the morning . The cost of living is very cheap here.
Everyone is in the same situation because they've had to come away from home for some time. The locals have gotten to know us aswell and so it's good fun.

Hope to see you in Greece!

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Also during the hours building phase is it possible to take an aircraft away from base for a few days at a time to do a tour maybe to some of the neighbouring contries?


CAPTAINYONDER hello matey! You have raised some good questions here and i will answer from my experience. Depending on our ages us people usually worry for different things... i dont know ur age but by saying it worries u the demografic of the school and leaving friends and family behind i can guess. Listen it is always fine and amzing when people sacrify things for some periods to achieve their goals! Six months sounds like a very long time but since u start ur ATPL ground for example u'll be begging for more time! social life here in Greece is well known to be variable due to the tourists and with variety due to the Greek culture. That happens all year round and us the students here at the school gathering together and always trying to find new and more things to do!! ( always as a team) no matter the background colour or age we are alla here for the same reasons and we need friends.. mind now that friendships like this will remain for the rest of ur life and thats exceptionally good!! If not used to that though by meeting new cultures characters and way of living will broaden ur mind u will be more experienced and as for ur future it will help to acclimatize anywhere as evey pilot;s life depends on that! give it a go u wont lose anything if u come here in greece south africa new zealand or america u will gain the same experience.
About EGNATIA we are mixture of english . other europeans middle easterns greeks and many more!! i have never faced a situation of a problem or conflict ! everyone is happy and everyone is willing to meet and make new friends.
About letting u go abroad the answer it's simply a NO. It was one of my queries when asked about the school before joining and i received a very clear answer.. mainly it has to do with security and with crossiing boundaries! its everything more clear to me now as i understood the procedures we need to follow prior leaving the country with a private aircraft. Anyway i guess that u can send an email to the directors and they will expalin more analytically for u! Bear in mind though that greece has smth about 50 airports we can use and some of them with just Amazing scenery!!! it will be enough to satisfy even the more demanding person!! i say again that i can show u photos from my personal gallery and i can send via email!! at the same time and as im not a pc expert i found out how to post some fotos here by usin g some foto hosting websites. I will do my best to achieve that in the next few days!!!

TAKE CARE MY FRIEND AND GOOD LUCK WITH UR DECISIONS AND FUTURE!!

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FINALS FOR RWY 34R AT SANTORINI ! A very nice island with a volcanoe in which i flew above..
Keramoti is the village we stay and this one of the blocks of the apartments.
4 MILES BEACH havent meassured though!!! Ill try to run sometime and ill tell u exactly the length!! Its really nice though
Me and Georgie at 6000ft on LMO 1E ARRIVAL slightly deviated from course for sightseeing purposes simulating the VOR/DME approach for RWY 23L at LGKV.
To your right ladies and gentlemen u can see Thassos island!!! for those seating to the left of the palne due to mass and balance DONT MOVE... U can instead check the picture!!!
thanks for listening and this was ur captain
hey the HELLENIC AIR FORCE APPROACH PLATES BOOKLET OR MAIP it was a very kind gift from our friends and enemies controllers at LGKV!! Thank you sirs and madames!!!
Very efficient with glass cockpit ( GARMIN 1000) relatively easy to fly but a bit slow.....

A picture from my favourite destination during my hourbuilding.. The island of SANTORINI!! A night stop there was everything i needed prior to my ATPL studying!! I will definitely go there again!! thanks for ur patience having me writing and showing experiences but these are happy moments for me and i really wish from deep inside me to everyone to achieve your goals and for the wannabe pilots a very bright future!!!!
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Aegean Airlines

Today i received a call from a friend of mine (he is doing his IR here ) and he told me that he has been through at the final stage of the AEGEAN AIRLINES selection process. Good news for him and for us as if he gets the job i will be getiing some jumpseats i hope so.....

The reason for writing that is not cause i want to praise him but i will get more info about what is going on recruitmentwise here in Greece at the moment and im willing to inform!!


dont complain please i do know that im out of the subjsect but i just felt like saying it!!


GREETING TO EVERYONE AND KEEP HAVING FUN!!!!!
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Thanks for your help and advice guys. Will be calling to school tomorrow to make preparations for coming out there towards the end of this month.
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Hello CAPTAINYONDER! Glad taht u are doing some research about EGNATIA too. This will help people find out more about the FTOS outside the UK . Hope u will post ur initial opinion and if anything concerning u share it with us!! Us the current students here are interested too to know more ...

Take care and u never know we might meet eachother soon!!

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Nice pics p320, have you got any pics of inside of the apartments?

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apartments

I do have some pics of the apartments.. i will post one in a nother thread even though a pic of a room has nothing to do with aviation and i dont really want to make pprune instead of a aviation forum smth like an estate agency hahahaah


u are welcome to leave a email address and i will send u one .. not a problem mate!!

hope u understand !! ciao
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