Hour Building (General & UK)

[sicky]

My plan is to test myself as often as possible. If you know the subject well enough you'll be fine in an exam. Thats easy enough to say, but i really am going to plan to be ready for the exams as early as possible, maybe 2 weeks beforehand, so that i can read over everything and test myself . It's the only way i can see it being possible, as with a block of exams like that, you can't half-know anything, you have to know it all.

I'm useless at exams, i have to force myself into revision and never do enough, but at uni in this past year, and in my AS and Jan A" exams i think i've found the best way for me to revise. Summer A2 let me down big time and i dropped from A's and B's in maths, physics and ICT to all C's, but i think it all comes down to serious planning and target setting, with serious testing along the way!

If that is the case, from what people are saying where its volumerather than intellectual problems, then you'd sail through the "lesser" exams and would be able to concentrate on the big ones!

[tinmouse]

Hour Building

Hi,

I’m told that while hour building, that if you go to a JAA school to hour build that you can also do some IR “training”. So rather simply going from place to place, you can get an instructor beside you and still get your P1 time, as well as getting some IR training hours on your CPL log book. Therefore saving time and money on your IR.

I Hope I make sense here, does anyone know anything about this?

Thanks
Tinmouse.

[Keygrip]

A long story, but the short answer (for JAA) is...NO, you cannot!.

[carbonfibre]

hour build

You could have an instructor next to you as an observer offering advice as long as you were not paying them and it was not a lesson otherwise you are PUT.

Logging Instrument time is ok as long as it is relevant to the licence you have i.e. IMC, CPL, IR etc but if you have a PPL and hour building you are cannot log IF time unless under instruction, then you go back to the above statement.

The IR is a minimum hour course also 50 for CPL holder 55 without so even if you have logged the time its not relevant unless part of the course.

Complicated but as above you cannot do this!!

[bolty_1000]

hours building

sorry to piggyback your thread but my question is of a similar nature.....

ive just been checked out in florida too fly for my hour building. i have a ppl and the instructor was sat there checking i could fly ok.

so how do i log this time? am i correct in saying that i am pic, dual time but cannot be logged for p1 hours towards the 100 required for the start of cpl?

thanks in advance

<<edit: Errr, what 100 hour requirement is that then? (to start the CPL course)>>

[Leezyjet]

When you are hour building, you can take a safety pilot and practice IR flying, and also practice flying to CPL tolerances but as has been said, you cannot actually log any of this time as IF. If you can practice during your hour building time, then you will progress quicker on the CPL/IR courses meaning more chance of passing in min time, thus saving money - is that what you meant ?.

so how do i log this time? am i correct in saying that i am pic, dual time but cannot be logged for p1 hours towards the 100 required for the start of cpl?

I have been logging it as dual time as IIRC the instructor technically is the PIC, as in the event of an emergency then the Instructor would take control to deal with the situation.

[IMAPILOT_AGAIN]

Hour Building

ok folks, a little about me:

CAA ppl (night) ~ 100 hours total

About to graduate uni, lookin to do some hours (intensive) before post grad starts in September

I've flown in usa (FL) before and enjoy their weather and as such would like to go back for hour building puposes.

I've flown with OFT, NAC, Sunstate aviation & others

I've read the disturbing reports about OBA, and i seem to conclude that OBA's problems are indeed problems with Mr. AT.

With that in mind, does anyone out there (surely a few do!) have experience with hour building in FL?
Where would you guys recommend - i dont wanna restrict myself to FL, i've heard GA is nice in the summer

Any flying school recomendations/plugs?

what sort of all in costs will i be looking a? (accomodation/licence changovers wet/dry rates etc...)

Look, i know this is so open ended (and perhaps non-sensical in places {im rishing to lectures as i type!!}), so absolutley any relevant ideas are welcomed

Thanks in advance

Russ

[potkettleblack]

Does it have to be Florida? I did about 150 hours in total in Florida and even allowing for the ocassional trip up the east coast to South Carolina and the like it was boring me to tears in the end. So last trip I decided to head west and used Air Desert Pacific in LA. Cheap and cheerful and you get what you pay for. All the prices are on their website. I specifically asked for an a/c that had IFR fit so I could practice my new found skills having attained an IMC rating and buzzed throughout Nevada and Arizona taking in the usual sights of the grand canyon and Las Vegas.

[Re-Heat]

Quick question - why are you so concerned to build hours outside of a training environment prior to holding a CPL/fATPL?

Seems to me the wrong way to go about things - could be better uses for the cash if your aim is ATPL. Equally more interesting uses for the cash if only a leisure trip.

[FougaMagister]

Check out http://www.harvsair.com

Their rates are really interesting and getting your JAA PPL validated in Canada is a quick and cheap formality (can be done by fax)

Cheers

[IMAPILOT_AGAIN]

re-heat...., correct me if im wrong but isnt it a requirement to get a fair whack of hours before starting CPL training???
Excuse me if im wrong about this.

As an undergrad i've been outta the game a while due to cash flow worries and pprune was easier than gettin all the old books out to see the requirements for undergoing CPL training.

My aim is ATPL - eventually!! like i say, fresh outta uni and one helluva student debt!

reagrds

[smith]

In general people usually get the ATPL ground exams out the way before hour building. But hey if you wanna go now I'm sure it'll be a lot of fun.

[wbryce]

Originally Posted by smith

In general people usually get the ATPL ground exams out the way before hour building. But hey if you wanna go now I'm sure it'll be a lot of fun.

I must be in the minority then....I'm modular so i'm paying for my hour building before my exams with the wages from my current job. Doing my exams first would mean I would need a job after exams completed to pay for my hour building when the clock is ticking.

Generally to me it makes more sense to have the required CPL hours prior to doing the ATPL exams.

[potkettleblack]

I must be in the minority then....I'm modular so i'm paying for my hour building before my exams with the wages from my current job. Doing my exams first would mean I would need a job after exams completed to pay for my hour building when the clock is ticking.

Generally to me it makes more sense to have the required CPL hours prior to doing the ATPL exams.

Yeah thats the way I did it. Horses for courses though and have run into people who did it the other way around. Also the "18 month rule" can have a bearing if you are doing some hours whilst distance learning the ATPL's. Then there is the 3 years you have to get your IR.

[smith]

wbyce

Most of my class doing ATPL's haven't flown since PPL, and most are not flying during the ATPL's either. The plan is ppl, atpl, hour build, cpl, ir.

If you do it your way ie ppl,hour build, atpl, cpl ...... when you finish the atpl you will go straight into CPL after 9 months without flying. Unless of course you fly regularly during atpl's.

If you hour build after ppl you can hone your flying skills and be fresh for the cpl/ir.

But its horses for courses and we will probably get there whatever route we choose. Just telling you the experiences of the people I know.

I suppose the integrated courses get the ATPL's out the way early on too.

[no sponsor]

Most people do the hrs building after ATPLs, but there's no reason why you cannot do it during, or in between the ATPLs. Although I did most of my hr building directly before the CPL and IR, I always quite fancied the idea of taking a months break between the first and second phase of the ATPLs to do hr building, and then having another hr building session before the start of the CPL/IR to get me back in the swing of things.

Since I was working full-time this was not a viable option, but it certainly would have helped general motivation.

[gcolyer]

I would just like to state there is nothing wrong with OBA if you are pepared to get your head down and abide by the rules.

[EIDW RJ85]

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=215825

[bolty_1000]

Hour Building

Ive tried the search threads but unable to answer my question!

When hour building towards the 100 PIC before the CPL/IR am I able to log any solo simulator time? I have a vague recollection that its something like 10hours max?

Can someone enlighten me??

[FlyingForFun]

No, simulator time can not count.

The reference is LASORS, section D1.2(D) which says you need 150 hours of "flight time" to start the course, and 200 hours of "flight time" (including 100 hours P1) in order to apply for the license. No mention of simulators counting towards this flight time.

FFF
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