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Since you still obviosuly have no licence - I wouldn't consider you to be a reliable source of information.
Having said that, I just try to prevent a balanced view.
The Instructor to Student ratio should not "normally" be above 6:1 - it isn't normally above 3:1. The majority of my time instructing I had on average 3 students.
APP students are instructed when our capacity is pushed by FAA instructors for their FAA ratings. Given the fact EFT is the only FTO abroad to have the majority if not all of their instructors JAA qualified, this isn't so bad.
Your right EFT does not provide synthetic training - because we don't have a sim!
Polorutz provides the best post I have ever seen about flight training or FTOs.
You get what you put into it!
I learnt as a student not as an instructor that those who leave and moan about schools very quickly move onto their next school to do exactly the same
Having said that, I just try to prevent a balanced view.
The Instructor to Student ratio should not "normally" be above 6:1 - it isn't normally above 3:1. The majority of my time instructing I had on average 3 students.
APP students are instructed when our capacity is pushed by FAA instructors for their FAA ratings. Given the fact EFT is the only FTO abroad to have the majority if not all of their instructors JAA qualified, this isn't so bad.
Your right EFT does not provide synthetic training - because we don't have a sim!
Polorutz provides the best post I have ever seen about flight training or FTOs.
You get what you put into it!
I learnt as a student not as an instructor that those who leave and moan about schools very quickly move onto their next school to do exactly the same
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Given the fact EFT is the only FTO abroad to have the majority if not all of their instructors JAA qualified
CTC in New Zealand
OAT in Arizona
Western Australia Aviation College
Not sure about the Sigmar/Cityjet school in South Africa?
Lufthansa and KLM have schools outside JAR land too I believe.
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CarbHeat, good point, typo - meant Florida.
However OAT don't use all JAA instructors - many are just "standardised"
I'm referring to schools which have instructors with full JAA Flight Instructor ratings, including JAA CPLs and IRs.
Most schools just have "standardised" instructors.
However OAT don't use all JAA instructors - many are just "standardised"
I'm referring to schools which have instructors with full JAA Flight Instructor ratings, including JAA CPLs and IRs.
Most schools just have "standardised" instructors.
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A bit of generic advice for everyone. This may have been written in the previous 16 pages but I haven't had time to check.
I am assuming some of you are unaware of how EFT operate. EFT lease aircraft from Ari Ben Aviatior then offer JAA approved training, but they charge a significant mark up on the prices at Aviator. EFT (2004 prices) charged a good $100 dollars more an hour on the twin and probably a good $50 dollars an hour on the single compared to the prices paid by Ari Ben Aviator students for FAA training.
Essentially EFT is a very clever business plan, Matthew Adams claims that all the instructors are JAA qualified is true, as that is all EFT is, an office with JAA instructors and leased aircraft; EFT itself holds no capital investment in the School premises or equipment.
The sensible solution is if you are going to train at Fort Pierce do the FAA ratings with Ari Ben and then do conversions back in the UK, that way you will not pay EFTs mark up for the JAA approved training.
There are so many instructors jobs in the UK it is not necessary to sign up to the APP scheme in order to secure an instructors position.
I am assuming some of you are unaware of how EFT operate. EFT lease aircraft from Ari Ben Aviatior then offer JAA approved training, but they charge a significant mark up on the prices at Aviator. EFT (2004 prices) charged a good $100 dollars more an hour on the twin and probably a good $50 dollars an hour on the single compared to the prices paid by Ari Ben Aviator students for FAA training.
Essentially EFT is a very clever business plan, Matthew Adams claims that all the instructors are JAA qualified is true, as that is all EFT is, an office with JAA instructors and leased aircraft; EFT itself holds no capital investment in the School premises or equipment.
The sensible solution is if you are going to train at Fort Pierce do the FAA ratings with Ari Ben and then do conversions back in the UK, that way you will not pay EFTs mark up for the JAA approved training.
There are so many instructors jobs in the UK it is not necessary to sign up to the APP scheme in order to secure an instructors position.
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I talked to an EFT student who was there about a month ago and said EFT had her flying the Cessna 172 when she needed to be flying a complex airplane. She said that she pretty much wasted thousands of dollars and months of time there. She eventually left and finished at American Flyers within 2 weeks where with EFT/Aviator she was looking at another couple months.
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Hey Fosko,
i knew this girl
The reason why she failed is definitive not EFT. Furthermore you do some training on a cessna for the CPL (approx. 7 - 10 hours), so therefore is absolut bull.... what she said about flying with the Cessna. That they have only one approved complex single A/C (more down than up) that is true and this is a problem but she did it on a multi. Ben the JAA examiner is a nice and fair guy, but he would like to see, that you can fly like a CPL Pilot...... I could say a lot more if i like.
I have been there and have to say that the Flight Instructors are pretty good. The Problem of this school is in my opinion, that they don't have own planes and more FI. I lost a lot of time as well due to broken planes and a lack of FI. Furthermore they should plan more accurate the student schedule. It is stuppid to invite more students (and this happens definitive !!), than FI available. When i have been there, we where at least 5 CPL Students and just two FI (one of them was the HoT and he only fly some days) and just this bloody one arrow.
At this time, i would say EFT is not a bad school but i wouldn't go back at this time and i can not recommend it for now. Maybe if they come to grips with the planes, organisation and the ammount of FI, then it becomes a pretty good school.
Cheers
i knew this girl
The reason why she failed is definitive not EFT. Furthermore you do some training on a cessna for the CPL (approx. 7 - 10 hours), so therefore is absolut bull.... what she said about flying with the Cessna. That they have only one approved complex single A/C (more down than up) that is true and this is a problem but she did it on a multi. Ben the JAA examiner is a nice and fair guy, but he would like to see, that you can fly like a CPL Pilot...... I could say a lot more if i like. I have been there and have to say that the Flight Instructors are pretty good. The Problem of this school is in my opinion, that they don't have own planes and more FI. I lost a lot of time as well due to broken planes and a lack of FI. Furthermore they should plan more accurate the student schedule. It is stuppid to invite more students (and this happens definitive !!), than FI available. When i have been there, we where at least 5 CPL Students and just two FI (one of them was the HoT and he only fly some days) and just this bloody one arrow.
At this time, i would say EFT is not a bad school but i wouldn't go back at this time and i can not recommend it for now. Maybe if they come to grips with the planes, organisation and the ammount of FI, then it becomes a pretty good school.
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Not sure if you're Capt Relax with a different name
(either way ....)
Would you recommend this FTO for the Multi APP course?
When you were there what were you training for? you said the instruction was of good quality but how many hours did it take you? and over what period of time?
Thanks
Not sure if you're Capt Relax with a different name
(either way ....)Would you recommend this FTO for the Multi APP course?
When you were there what were you training for? you said the instruction was of good quality but how many hours did it take you? and over what period of time?
Thanks
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$8000 for a night rating!
Thanks EFT!
Good instruction, bad management. Only 1 arrow for CPL which seems to always be in bits. only 2 instructors. Over 30 students.
Needless to say, I won't be back! Went for multi, night and CPL, the only thing finished to completion was my night.
Good instruction, bad management. Only 1 arrow for CPL which seems to always be in bits. only 2 instructors. Over 30 students.
Needless to say, I won't be back! Went for multi, night and CPL, the only thing finished to completion was my night.
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Captain Easy,
I completely agree on lack of this and lack of that at EFT.I am sure ppruners have had a general idea about EFT's reliability.However,i'd like to ask you how do you think it would cost less converting FAA ratings to JAA in the UK?If EFT is charging $100 more on multi(which is higher than that)and $50 more on single(no idea)than what Ariben charges,think how much the FTOs are charging here in the UK and how you struggle converting and going over the hours cos you may not have enough experience in the UK airspace or the instructor rightly or not underestimates your US flight training
I completely agree on lack of this and lack of that at EFT.I am sure ppruners have had a general idea about EFT's reliability.However,i'd like to ask you how do you think it would cost less converting FAA ratings to JAA in the UK?If EFT is charging $100 more on multi(which is higher than that)and $50 more on single(no idea)than what Ariben charges,think how much the FTOs are charging here in the UK and how you struggle converting and going over the hours cos you may not have enough experience in the UK airspace or the instructor rightly or not underestimates your US flight training
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I don't knwo what is cheaper, to convert or do it with EFT.
Why AriBen is cheaper is one simple reason. EFT hires the bloody bad planes from Ari Ben. EFT doesn't own any plane. They just have an office at Ari Ben. Thats it !!
What i know is, that they don't have enough FI's for all this students. I saw at least 3 guys how went home without licence and it was definitve a misstake of EFT (Some guys flew just 5 hours a week). The next reason is, that EFT doesnt say, that it take at least 4-5 days to get the approvment of the TSA to start the training and in this time, you stay on the ground or fly backseat 
They should miprove the oranisation and management as soon as possible. No guy how went home said, that (s)he will recommend EFT !!!
Why AriBen is cheaper is one simple reason. EFT hires the bloody bad planes from Ari Ben. EFT doesn't own any plane. They just have an office at Ari Ben. Thats it !!
What i know is, that they don't have enough FI's for all this students. I saw at least 3 guys how went home without licence and it was definitve a misstake of EFT (Some guys flew just 5 hours a week
). The next reason is, that EFT doesnt say, that it take at least 4-5 days to get the approvment of the TSA to start the training and in this time, you stay on the ground or fly backseat They should miprove the oranisation and management as soon as possible. No guy how went home said, that (s)he will recommend EFT !!!
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hie mr easy
l would like to know a few things from you regarding eft lm on my way there lm a bit worried if students are flying 5 hours a week. when did you last attend this school are the ppl students mixed with the cpl students regarding those students who had to go without finishing were they refunded their money
l would like to know a few things from you regarding eft lm on my way there lm a bit worried if students are flying 5 hours a week. when did you last attend this school are the ppl students mixed with the cpl students regarding those students who had to go without finishing were they refunded their money
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The FI (i think they have now 2 or 3 and about 20 up to 30 students) are the same for PPL or CPL. Yes you get refund the rest of your money what you havent flown but then you haven't a licence
You have one advance as PPL, you don't need the arrow. But the Cessnas (i think they have approx. 10) are not in better condition. I never so such bad planes.
There is just one (Cessna) who everything is working for IFR flight. I did my heck ride with one, where the two NAV had an deflection of about 8 to 10 degrees. And for the ILS you need to observe two NAV, because on the upper one just the GS was working and on this beneath, the LOC was accurate.
If you go there, plan at least 6 week for your PPL. The FI are very good but the rest.....no comment.
You have one advance as PPL, you don't need the arrow. But the Cessnas (i think they have approx. 10) are not in better condition. I never so such bad planes.
There is just one (Cessna) who everything is working for IFR flight. I did my heck ride with one, where the two NAV had an deflection of about 8 to 10 degrees. And for the ILS you need to observe two NAV, because on the upper one just the GS was working and on this beneath, the LOC was accurate.
If you go there, plan at least 6 week for your PPL. The FI are very good but the rest.....no comment.
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5 hours a week - i know some guys (including me at one time) who hadnt flown in over 3 weeks!
Its only slightly dearer to do it in the uk, and at least you have a chance of doing it in minumum time in the uk!
Its only slightly dearer to do it in the uk, and at least you have a chance of doing it in minumum time in the uk!
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Reading all these negative comments puts me in a crisis are you saying whats on the brochure its to good to be true. how do they schedule their flights. You sound as if they don't care about their students wheather they complete or not business wise l don't thing it's a good approach lm yet to see for my self but l have been given assurances by eft and completing in short space of time l have been told 'you do the work make your self available for flying then you will complete it. 6 weeks is a long time as you suggest , l cann't even get 4 weeks due to work. Any one on prunne out there now to talk to
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Hey i know a guy who is actualy there, but he changed to ari.
The plane schedule is follow: There is a dispatch office and you FI goes to the girl and say he like to fly maybe from 8 til 10 (2hour blocks). But is he late the other FI's catch all planes
that happen some (much in my case) time.
Next is, that the FI work just from 8am til 4pm (sometime 6pm) Mo til Sat. So this are 5 legs. If you happy you get one maximum two legs a day. But thrust me you don't get more than 5 legs a week, because the planes have a high fail rate and if a student like to do a check ride, then this guy can catch any plane.
And remember i take one week to get the TSA !!!!!
Give them a call and ask them about this problem and see what they say. My tip is, talk to trevor and not to the girls !!!
The plane schedule is follow: There is a dispatch office and you FI goes to the girl and say he like to fly maybe from 8 til 10 (2hour blocks). But is he late the other FI's catch all planes
that happen some (much in my case) time.Next is, that the FI work just from 8am til 4pm (sometime 6pm) Mo til Sat. So this are 5 legs. If you happy you get one maximum two legs a day. But thrust me you don't get more than 5 legs a week, because the planes have a high fail rate and if a student like to do a check ride, then this guy can catch any plane.
And remember i take one week to get the TSA !!!!!
Give them a call and ask them about this problem and see what they say. My tip is, talk to trevor and not to the girls !!!
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