European Flight Training (EFT)

[AlphaMale]

Originally Posted by Seagull61

Only worry is, will I be treated as an "add-on" to all the full timers?

In what way do you mean that?

I don't think the Full timers (18 month students) will be teaching the aerobatics as it's not in the course for them (Although if I have the extra dosh I will be doing it there).

And if you were what would be the problem? I look at from a student point of view where I need to be twice as good as a regular instructor due to wanting to be the top of my class. I will still have enthusiasm and hey when I have 600 hours of instructing under my belt you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyway. I am sure having around 1,000 hours of instructing under my belt when I come home will be more than some the part time instructers that teach in the UK.

Only my view

Andrew

[Seagull61]

The questions only from previous experience and not at EFT. Having got my PPL in the states, the school where I was learning seemed to care more for the full time students who were pumping 40K into the school as opposed to the PPLers.

So if there are any issues with instructor and plane availaiblilty (does the aerobat get used for normal training as well), then i`d like to know up front.

If not, then great. Where do I sign?

[Mono del dia]

If you do the aerobatics course then you will undoubtdly be tought by one of the senior instructors (most likely either the CFI of H of T). These guys don't genrally teach the normal flow of students on PPL's, CPL's etc so you shouldn't have any problem with 'fitting into the schedule'.

The aerobat is generally only used for such courses and for the odd student that requests it for hour building, so aircraft availabilty should not be a problem. One question to ask would be how many hour builders they have using the 152 as this is the only thing I can see affecting your schedule.

It is a lot of fun so enjoy!

[Seagull61]

Got a mail from EFT this morning. They no longer run the aeros course. So i`ll get back on the hunt for a Florida school that does.

[gernie]

APP 1500hours

Hi to everyone, I´m a spanish student very interested in this school and specially in his APP programm (1500h). But my question is about the phase 4 of this programm, the IR CONVERTION, wich is carried out in the UK.
Can someone explain to me this phase 4? In what it consist? Is this a proper license convertion?
Many people advice me about the risk of doing a license convertion. That convert a FAA license into a JAA is crazy because you must repeat all the exams again, fliying test and it cost a lot of money. So there´s any European student like me, who has been there doing the APP programm?

I´m really excited about starting there my training but first I wanna be sure where Im going. Thank you very much guys

PS: Any honest oppinions are welcome.

[portsharbourflyer]

Haven't looked at the details exactly but from my previous experience of EFT, phase 4 is probably converting the FAA IR to JAA IR, therefore the initial skills test for issue of a JAA instrument rating has to be done in a JAA member state. The JAA CPL however can be done in the US.

Although few people manage to convert an FAA IR to a JAA IR in the minimum required 15 hours doing the FAA ratings first and then converting is generally fairly cost effective. Remember while the JAA license has 14 exams the FAA has one written exam per license and rating and oral test per license and rating. Never done the FAA tests but the written tests are generally thought to be quite easy, though I have heard the oral test can be quite challenging ( having to explain answers to an examiner on the spot means you need to know the subject as opposed to learning some facts parrot fashion).

However it is generally quite easy to get an instructors job without needing to sign up for any kind of internship scheme, all the APP scheme is really is JAA modular training, FAA conversions with instructor ratings.

[gernie]

Any European Who Has Been Doing The App In Eft?

I would like to get in contact with someone who has been in EFT doing the APP program.
Thank you

[Matthew Adams]

When I did my training it was all JAA based with a JAA initial IR. Not FAA then JAA. This is the main differnce between EFT and other JAA schools in the US. ALL JAA Qualified instructors teaching a JAA course.

The instructors then converted to FAA.

[gernie]

EFT

Hi, again! Today I recieved an email from EFT, saying this:

You do all your JAA and FAA licences except for the covertion the JAA IR, this is done at the end of the APP and can be done in any JAA member state including Spain.

So anyone knows what this means? In wich consist this process? Anybody can explain to me with detail, what u have to do, and how many exams?

Thank you very much guys!

[BlueRobin]

It means EFT (presently) will issue you with a FAA IR, after which you have to undergo a conversion procedure in a JAA state (this means Spain, UK, France and so on) This is quite clear form their website.

No US-based school is approved (by the CAA) to conduct JAR IR courses. See Standards Document 31

I think it has something to do with the examiner requirement so would be very surprised if another JAA state took a different line.

[renright]

Multi APP

Guys,
I have a couple of questions on how the course is structured, from the APP in detail page - http://www.flyeft.com/library/ME-APP.pdf - in phase 2 it appears to me that you study for the ATPLS and work as an instructor.
If I am correct on how the course is structured I will study for module 1 of the ATPL while training in the USA head to the UK for the revision course and exams, return to Florida continue my flight training and distance learning for module 2 and head to the UK for the revision and exams again. Is this correct?

OR
Do I complete phase 1 of the APP, then head to the UK and do the ATPL study and exams. After the exams I return to Florida to complete the course. This is what it looks like from this page: http://www.flyeft.com/app/financial_app.html
PS - I have also sent this query to EFT and I am currently waiting for a response.

[dartagnan]

guys, you ask to many questions...
make your licenses in US, canada, or whatever you would like to fly and teach...
then go to bristol gs and study your ATPL.
then go in a european school and convert your IR.

and that's all...

[gernie]

Any European Who Has Been Doing The App In EFT?

I would like to get in contact with someone who has been in EFT doing the APP PROGRAM.
Thank you

[gernie]

European Flight Training, EFT, Anyone tried?

Originally Posted by Farrell

Hello Poonta

There is a mine of information to be found on this forum about EFT.
You will find good reports and bad reports - just like you will for every major Florida based flight school.

I'm not sure if the Search function is working fully at the moment (maybe a moderator could answer that) but you should try and search under "EFT".

I have trained at EFT and have already commented on my experiences. A quick search will also uncover that.

Best of luck with your training.

Farrell

Farrel did you do the APP program? If yes, how was the phase 4 of the program? I mean the IR convertion. I´m afraid about this con many people warned me not to convert licenses, cos its quite difficult and expensive. Is this true? They said that you have to do like 14exams... So they told me to do my training in Europe If I want to work in Europe, and not in US because the conversions. But I really want to do my training in the US cos it´s much cheaper, and for example EFT in their APP progam offers you to work as FI and get about 1400hours of fliying time, thing that in Europe any school offer. Well hope you can give some information about EFT and your own experiencie with them. Thank you very much.

[pipergirl]

weel, you can do your training in the US under the JAA system no problem (obviously apart from the JAR IR)..but if you do the FAA way and convert, you will have to eventually do the 14 ATPL exams...afarid there is no way of getting out of that..

Sure, if you eventually want a JAA Frozen ATPL, sure you'll have to do the exams either way

Afraid I can't comment on phase four of the course as I haven't done the APP course...

[Desert Budgie]

I think when it comes to converting your IR from FAA to JAA it all depends on the students ability as to how long it takes and how difficult it will be. If you go to EFT i would say it would be beneficial to do some single engine instrument time so you know the basics for when you do it in the UK. However, a full ME IR is going to set you back a good few thousand dollars, and personally, this would be money I would keep towards a full IR in the UK. From what I have heard from pilots who have done the conversion, it is very rare that they achieve this in the minimum 15 hours.

Although an IR pilot should be able to fly in any airspace, anywhere in the world, the reality is an inexperienced 150-200 hour pilot will probably struggle with the change of flight school, aircraft and procedures. With this in mind, it may take 10 or more hours for familiarisation, so by this time you may aswell have done the whole thing in Europe. Most good IR schools in the UK give you time in simulator first before you go into the aircraft. This is probably cheaper than doing IR flying in the real aircraft in the US anyway. With this in mind, that money saved avoiding a full FAA IR is probably money well spent in the UK.

Cheers
DB

[Matthew Adams]

EFT offer a JAA Instrument:
25 hours single in the US
5 hours multi in the US
10 Hours Sim in the UK
10 hours Multi in the UK.
Current prices copied from the EFT website.
$6,995(USA section)
£4,750 (UK Section)

The last students to complete this course only went an hour or two over at most.
A bit cheaper than the full course in the UK - and more flying certainly.

[gernie]

Originally Posted by pipergirl

weel, you can do your training in the US under the JAA system no problem (obviously apart from the JAR IR)..but if you do the FAA way and convert, you will have to eventually do the 14 ATPL exams...afarid there is no way of getting out of that..

Sure, if you eventually want a JAA Frozen ATPL, sure you'll have to do the exams either way

Afraid I can't comment on phase four of the course as I haven't done the APP course...

Well first of all, thank you very much for all your replies. So pipergirl you mean that if I do the APP with EFT, I wont have to do the 14exams, cos EFT is under the JAA system? I´m sorry but I have no idea about a conversion process is. So I supposse that there are two different ways,? First and the hardest is getting the FAA license and then convert to JAA doing all the 14 exams, and second way and easier is going to a school who is under the JAA system, and when finish the training go back to Europe to do an easier convertion (IR convertion) to get the JAA license? Is it something like this? Or I´m completely lost?
Im just very afraid about choosing the wrong school and then have to do a long, expensive and hard convertion. Many of my friends warned me about this. I think they were talking about the first way of conversion cos they mentioned something about 14 exams as well, and that is crazy to do it!
I hope you can understand what Im triying to say, I know my english is not very good. I will be very glad if you can answer me this BIG QUESTION.

[DuffyDuck]

Hey Gernie,
either way, you have to do the 14 exams! Every jaapilot has to do it as it is part of the training even here in europe!
Taking the us-atpl means, that ypu have do do all the theoretical hours, do some more fliying and convert the licence. doing the jaa- atpl in a us-school iost like doing the whole thing in europe. you do not have to convert! only the last thing, the ir, can´t be done in us an has to be done over here.

I have to say, that i do not have a atpl yet, but i probably take my training in the usa as well in the future.
good luck.

I was wondering, is there anyone out there who took the jaatraining in the usa and got a job in europe?
is it harder compared to other schools to find a job? or would you say, the airlines don´t care as the training is as good as in europe?

[AlphaMale]

Gernie,

By doing the APP in the US you will sit the 14 exams (distance learning) via Bristol G.S. to my understanding. It's really not that hard to follow. I am still saving but I will get there eventually.

Good point about saving money on the FAA IR and putting it toward the JAA IR ... I might get out there a little sooner than I think.

There is no getting away from the 14 ATPL exams. Unless you do the US version or the Canadian version etc. You want a flying job in europe then you WILL have to sit the 14 exams .

Good luck

Andrew