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A few points..
The 1100 hours was total.. This is what he came home with in total. He is the same guy who did 102 hours a month on average.
The multi hours was me.. I was not instructing for EFT, but for Aviator.
The 1100 hours was total.. This is what he came home with in total. He is the same guy who did 102 hours a month on average.
The multi hours was me.. I was not instructing for EFT, but for Aviator.
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I assume he got 800hrs in 7 months but 1100 by the time he left EFT?
I understand that this was not Multi time but with TP/Jet employers looking for candidates with 1,000+ hrs this would be fine for my needs.
I did note you were instructing at Aviator and not EFT, but the hours still look impressive no matter which school you look at
henriksch how long did it take you to rack up your 807 hours at Aviator? I am just wondering what the ratio is of:
Aviator TT & Multi Time v EFT TT & Multi Time
Thanks again.
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I understand that this was not Multi time but with TP/Jet employers looking for candidates with 1,000+ hrs this would be fine for my needs.
I did note you were instructing at Aviator and not EFT, but the hours still look impressive no matter which school you look at
henriksch how long did it take you to rack up your 807 hours at Aviator? I am just wondering what the ratio is of:
Aviator TT & Multi Time v EFT TT & Multi Time
Thanks again.
PM me if you wish
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Im sorry to say it but nowadays turboprop/jet operators are looking for crew with time on type. my 2p.
I'm more than happy to start at the bottom of the ladder I'm 25 not 45 so time is on my side ... for a while.
I'd be more than happy if I could fly a KingAir for a living, a Gulfstream Jet would mean reaching my ambition of flying a Jet for a living ... and a Heavey Jet, I think I'd wet myself.
I think I'd stand a good chance of getting a job with 1,000+hrs (700+ Multi) compared to say an Integrated 250hr Pilot.
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I started the APP program in the summer of 2004 at a cost of $50,000 to be paid in 6 equal instalments of $8333.33. This was to inculde 0 hours to MEIR and FI. The ground school was to be at my own expense. I completed the first half of the course pretty satisfied with the instruction, and the management side of things. At this point I returned to the UK to complete my ATPL groundschool with Bristol GS.
My experince with BGS was superb. Thanks Alex and the rest of your staff.
After approximately 6 months I returned to EFT with my 14 ATPL exams passed. It was soon after this I was made aware that the cost of my course had changed to 7 equal payments of $8333! After a few conversations between Ben, Trevor, myself and another student they agreed to honour their original price. After completing my CPL, IR I returned to the UK to complete my IR at PTC Bournemouth complete with a letter and cheque from EFT to cover my training. A few days later I was told by PTC that the cheque was short of the amount to cover the rest of my training (minimum hours obviously) by a substansial margin. It took several phone calls from both myself and PTC to try and resolve the matter. I was then told I would have to pay the the VAT on the course (not EFT) which was not previosly mentioned. After completeing my IR I had to wait several weeks to receive my course completion certificate because EFT still had not sent PTC would they had agreed ( not including VAT).
Other stories including a credit card surcharge on a debit card that I did not agree to.
Instead of returning to complete FAA ratings I had paid for I got out while I still had a few pennies left and went back to my old job as a baggage handler.
PM me with other questions
My experince with BGS was superb. Thanks Alex and the rest of your staff.
After approximately 6 months I returned to EFT with my 14 ATPL exams passed. It was soon after this I was made aware that the cost of my course had changed to 7 equal payments of $8333! After a few conversations between Ben, Trevor, myself and another student they agreed to honour their original price. After completing my CPL, IR I returned to the UK to complete my IR at PTC Bournemouth complete with a letter and cheque from EFT to cover my training. A few days later I was told by PTC that the cheque was short of the amount to cover the rest of my training (minimum hours obviously) by a substansial margin. It took several phone calls from both myself and PTC to try and resolve the matter. I was then told I would have to pay the the VAT on the course (not EFT) which was not previosly mentioned. After completeing my IR I had to wait several weeks to receive my course completion certificate because EFT still had not sent PTC would they had agreed ( not including VAT).
Other stories including a credit card surcharge on a debit card that I did not agree to.
Instead of returning to complete FAA ratings I had paid for I got out while I still had a few pennies left and went back to my old job as a baggage handler.
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A fuel surcharge that was based on a percentage of the cousre price. I was therefore being charged a fuel surcharge much greater than a PPL student for doing my initial IR and FI training in the same aircraft burning the same amount of fuel!!!
Most of my dissatisfaction is aimed at the management and on the whole I was very happy with the instruction that I received at EFT although many of the instructors I had have now moved on.
Anyone thinking of going to EFT: the advertised price may seem attractive but YOU WILL PAY MORE. (And im not talking about additional hours required to complete licenses and ratings above the minimum.)
Most of my dissatisfaction is aimed at the management and on the whole I was very happy with the instruction that I received at EFT although many of the instructors I had have now moved on.
Anyone thinking of going to EFT: the advertised price may seem attractive but YOU WILL PAY MORE. (And im not talking about additional hours required to complete licenses and ratings above the minimum.)
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On the current EFT APP program you do not complete your JAA IR until after you have served your sentence as an instructor. You are in no position to apply for the jobs with minimum hours because you have no JAA instrument rating and are effectively a slave of EFT for 18 months instead of advancing your carreer. EFT could put you through the JAA instrument first and then help you apply for jobs while working as an instructor.
If they say that after 1000 hours instructing you will be in a better position to pass your IR: nonsense. Circuit bashing with a PPL student will not help you work out the hold entry and gate angle in an NDB hold.
Please do not do this.
If they say that after 1000 hours instructing you will be in a better position to pass your IR: nonsense. Circuit bashing with a PPL student will not help you work out the hold entry and gate angle in an NDB hold.
Please do not do this.
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You can't do the JAA IR in Florida though? It's a conversion when you come home to the EU?
And it says in the price budget £4,000 for a IR conversion in the EU and the the website says budget for £5,000 for the conversion. So with it not being in the price how exactly do they have you over a barrell?
I was looking at Multi-APP then when I get back here do a FAA-IR conversion to a JAA in Spain. If I left EFT after only 8 months working as a CFI/FI and clocked the magic 1,000 TT how would they punish me?
What if I couldn't make ends meet as a CFI and had no option but to come home? Just say I couldn't find tenneants to let out my apartment back in the UK? i.e. I'm £600 down every month and have a big mortgage to pay.
And it says in the price budget £4,000 for a IR conversion in the EU and the the website says budget for £5,000 for the conversion. So with it not being in the price how exactly do they have you over a barrell?
I was looking at Multi-APP then when I get back here do a FAA-IR conversion to a JAA in Spain. If I left EFT after only 8 months working as a CFI/FI and clocked the magic 1,000 TT how would they punish me?
What if I couldn't make ends meet as a CFI and had no option but to come home? Just say I couldn't find tenneants to let out my apartment back in the UK? i.e. I'm £600 down every month and have a big mortgage to pay.
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Going to EFT in January
Hi everyone,
I have been reading all the posts about EFT and it is a huge mix of positive and negative statements.
I am going there on January 12 to do my PPL and I will make sure I will post my experiences as I am there.
If anyone is out there at the same time it would be great to hook up. I see most of you are there for commercial purposes which of course is slightly more important than my recreational flying. Anyway would be great to know someone a little before dropping off there for a month completely by myself
Take care for now
Kenny
I have been reading all the posts about EFT and it is a huge mix of positive and negative statements.
I am going there on January 12 to do my PPL and I will make sure I will post my experiences as I am there.
If anyone is out there at the same time it would be great to hook up. I see most of you are there for commercial purposes which of course is slightly more important than my recreational flying. Anyway would be great to know someone a little before dropping off there for a month completely by myself
Take care for now
Kenny
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If they say that after 1000 hours instructing you will be in a better position to pass your IR: nonsense. Circuit bashing with a PPL student will not help you work out the hold entry and gate angle in an NDB hold.
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http://www.flyaviator.com/trevor.html
"On this programme to date we have a 100% success rate and everyone who's completed it has gone on to the airlines"
Is that true?
"On this programme to date we have a 100% success rate and everyone who's completed it has gone on to the airlines"
Is that true?
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This video is out of date.
1. They are not the onced approved JAR FTO in Florida
2. The pass rate is definitive not 100% (i now at least three guys how fail there first attempt)
Furthermore i know a lot of guys how went home without any license.
1. They are not the onced approved JAR FTO in Florida
2. The pass rate is definitive not 100% (i now at least three guys how fail there first attempt)
Furthermore i know a lot of guys how went home without any license.
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Firstly this thread is about EFT not Aviator.
Captain Easy - either your command of the English language is poor or you are just providing a cursary glance.
EFT are the only fully JAA approved school in Florida.
I.E they offer all the JAA licences and ratings training (Including training towards a JAA Instrument rating.)They also are the only one with all JAA qualified instructors instead of using FAA Instructors.
He never mentioned anything about a 100% pass rate in the video. You'd be very naive to think that a school would maintain a 100% pass rate. Not every student is going to complete within their specified time frame, the courses are sold as minimum licencing hours and minimum time and that requires that your work hard, and are at least of average ability. Some students just don't simply put the work in
or as life is, just aren't at average ability. 
Wherever you go to train, add at least a 15% overspend and 20% over run in time - it's just common sense - although many of my peers in training seem to lack this.
Captain Easy - either your command of the English language is poor or you are just providing a cursary glance.
EFT are the only fully JAA approved school in Florida.
I.E they offer all the JAA licences and ratings training (Including training towards a JAA Instrument rating.)They also are the only one with all JAA qualified instructors instead of using FAA Instructors.
He never mentioned anything about a 100% pass rate in the video. You'd be very naive to think that a school would maintain a 100% pass rate. Not every student is going to complete within their specified time frame, the courses are sold as minimum licencing hours and minimum time and that requires that your work hard, and are at least of average ability. Some students just don't simply put the work in
or as life is, just aren't at average ability. Wherever you go to train, add at least a 15% overspend and 20% over run in time - it's just common sense - although many of my peers in training seem to lack this.
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Mr. Biggrecian,
You are correct that I never put my FI to use. I am however in a position to comment on my experiance at EFT and the sense in instructing at EFT without a JAA IR if commercial flying in Europe is your end goal. Jobs are out there and if people had their JAA IR they could apply!
Max
You are correct that I never put my FI to use. I am however in a position to comment on my experiance at EFT and the sense in instructing at EFT without a JAA IR if commercial flying in Europe is your end goal. Jobs are out there and if people had their JAA IR they could apply!
Max
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As for the pass rates......
I was one of numerous CPL students who failed to gain a first time pass early 2007, in fact I believe EFT had its first CPL first time pass in 2007 around early April of this year, not very impressive, it can't just be 4 months worth of below average students.
Most of the instructors are very good, however my CPL instructor didn't teach me partial panel unusual attitude recoveries as he considered it to dangerous to train! No prizes for guessing what I partialed on.
Part of the problem is having one a/c for the CPL and up to 12 CPL students waiting to use it over the time I was there.
As for budgeting for 15% overspend, this should be based on additional hours required, not hidden costs which was what I found.
I was one of numerous CPL students who failed to gain a first time pass early 2007, in fact I believe EFT had its first CPL first time pass in 2007 around early April of this year, not very impressive, it can't just be 4 months worth of below average students.
Most of the instructors are very good, however my CPL instructor didn't teach me partial panel unusual attitude recoveries as he considered it to dangerous to train! No prizes for guessing what I partialed on.
Part of the problem is having one a/c for the CPL and up to 12 CPL students waiting to use it over the time I was there.
As for budgeting for 15% overspend, this should be based on additional hours required, not hidden costs which was what I found.
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To whoever said that there is no IR training, you are wrong, you are trained to get an FAA IR, you are also trained to be a FAA CFII together with all the European licences (but the IR), the only thing that makes the IR impossible to get ANYWHERE outside europe is that the test MUST be legally made inside european airspace.
So there, instructing might not help you calculate the entry to a hold but your FAA IR will...
EFT is a GOOD school, I have first hand experience with it and I don't agree with most negative comments about it, yes, it's a school that wants to make money, you will however get as much as you put into it, both money and effort, when I was there earlier this year getting my JAA PPL there were a lot of students complaining about the planes going tech or the bad weather... it happens EVERYWHERE, there were other types of complaints about the pricing etc... but that is part of the game, there are no "hidden" costs... you get the story straight from the beginning, you MIGHT get your licences in minimum time but usually it takes a little bit more, it's the way it works.
*EDIT* The fact that they only had one aircraft for the CPL test and many many students waiting for a test was definitely an issue and I hope it's fixed by now.
So there, instructing might not help you calculate the entry to a hold but your FAA IR will...
EFT is a GOOD school, I have first hand experience with it and I don't agree with most negative comments about it, yes, it's a school that wants to make money, you will however get as much as you put into it, both money and effort, when I was there earlier this year getting my JAA PPL there were a lot of students complaining about the planes going tech or the bad weather... it happens EVERYWHERE, there were other types of complaints about the pricing etc... but that is part of the game, there are no "hidden" costs... you get the story straight from the beginning, you MIGHT get your licences in minimum time but usually it takes a little bit more, it's the way it works.
*EDIT* The fact that they only had one aircraft for the CPL test and many many students waiting for a test was definitely an issue and I hope it's fixed by now.
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Would I return?
Matthew Adams needs to proof his edits before criticising others' English capabilities. Cursory, with an 'O', as in the first letter of oaf and onanist.
I went through the hoops of US training application on the strength of previous postings to this forum and EFT's own website. Between May and July of this year I attended EFT; my heart sank at minute one. I was introduced to the staff and heard nothing but grumbled conversation regarding to where most of the instructors were going to ensure their paycheck did not come from EFT.
Matthew Adams - will you attest that EFT conforms to the requirements laid out in the JAA standards document:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/Standar...%2036%20v2.pdf
Let me see... section 2.5 as a starter for ten?
Matthew Adams - you should confront the CAA on their egregious error of omitting EFT from the roll in the 'JAR FCL 1 Instrument Rating (A) Modular Synthetic Flight Training' section in the document:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/Doc%203...anisations.pdf
by doing so, you would then be correct in announcing that you do all of the courses.
Matthew Adams - Are you absolutely sure that nobody has been trained by FAA instructors in the last 8 months under the EFT banner?
The instructors listed on the website - how many instruct currently at EFT?
How are the UK links?
To anyone looking at EFT as a possible venue for airborne delight, I urge that you read the CAA standards documents, drum up questions and get written answers to those questions. Please go there with your eyes open and ears shut to the EFT siren. If you like what you see, do have fun!
I went through the hoops of US training application on the strength of previous postings to this forum and EFT's own website. Between May and July of this year I attended EFT; my heart sank at minute one. I was introduced to the staff and heard nothing but grumbled conversation regarding to where most of the instructors were going to ensure their paycheck did not come from EFT.
Matthew Adams - will you attest that EFT conforms to the requirements laid out in the JAA standards document:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/Standar...%2036%20v2.pdf
Let me see... section 2.5 as a starter for ten?
Matthew Adams - you should confront the CAA on their egregious error of omitting EFT from the roll in the 'JAR FCL 1 Instrument Rating (A) Modular Synthetic Flight Training' section in the document:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/Doc%203...anisations.pdf
by doing so, you would then be correct in announcing that you do all of the courses.
Matthew Adams - Are you absolutely sure that nobody has been trained by FAA instructors in the last 8 months under the EFT banner?
The instructors listed on the website - how many instruct currently at EFT?
How are the UK links?
To anyone looking at EFT as a possible venue for airborne delight, I urge that you read the CAA standards documents, drum up questions and get written answers to those questions. Please go there with your eyes open and ears shut to the EFT siren. If you like what you see, do have fun!