Logbook and Logging Hours Questions
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I've taken a slightly different tack - whilst my military logbooks are still on the shelf as proof, absolutely everything has gone into one big commercial logbook. It has enough columns that I can keep stuff apart - but the world at large doesn't care if your "group A" flying was in a G-reg C172, an N-reg PA28, or a military registered G115 - it's all flying.
To date, this has never given me any problem beyond that of keeping it all reasonably neat and clear.
G
To date, this has never given me any problem beyond that of keeping it all reasonably neat and clear.
G
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From: Canada
Logging PIC with FAA PPL on EU aircraft
Hi guys,
I have a tough one for you. A question about logging PIC flight time.
I am a Belgian guy holding an FAA PPL. Legally, I can not fly a Belgian registered aircraft (OO-xxx) as pilot in command. Well, I actually CAN fly e.g. a Belgian Reg Cessna 172 when I have a certified JAA Pilot next to me, or a JAA Flight Instructor as a safety Pilot. Let's say I take off in a Cessna 172 with Belgian markings and a safety pilot next to me. He (or she, what the heck) flies about 10 percent of the time while I do the rest of the flying. Can I log the whole hour als PIC, or just that 90 percent?
Anyone?
Thanks!
I have a tough one for you. A question about logging PIC flight time.
I am a Belgian guy holding an FAA PPL. Legally, I can not fly a Belgian registered aircraft (OO-xxx) as pilot in command. Well, I actually CAN fly e.g. a Belgian Reg Cessna 172 when I have a certified JAA Pilot next to me, or a JAA Flight Instructor as a safety Pilot. Let's say I take off in a Cessna 172 with Belgian markings and a safety pilot next to me. He (or she, what the heck) flies about 10 percent of the time while I do the rest of the flying. Can I log the whole hour als PIC, or just that 90 percent?
Anyone?
Thanks!
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From: Latin America
You need to get a second opinion from another school! As far as I a aware Belgium operate under ICAO and therefore you should be allowed to fly as P1 alone or with guests without the need of a safety pilot. The only problem that you may have would be crossing borders unless you had an N-registered aircraft.
Speak to another club and Consult FAA/AIM and speak to the body in Belgium.
Regards
D'vay
Speak to another club and Consult FAA/AIM and speak to the body in Belgium.
Regards
D'vay
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From: Canada
D'Vay,
Thanks for your answer.
Here's the deal: officially, all the ICAO states have to recognize each others licenses. So in theory, the holder of an FAA PPL could use it on airplanes registered in other ICAO airplanes. Well, that's how it is on paper. In reality, most JAA states refuse to treat the FAA PPL equal to JAA PPL. National Aviation Authorities in Europe are telling people they have to convert their certificate (that means extra medical and more exams!). Some countries let you fly in their national airspace with an FAA paper, provided you are not a resident of that specific country. As far as I know, only the UK fully complies to the ICAO treaty and allows an American pilot to fly on G-reg aircraft without any conversion. That's even true for flights outside UK airspace, and thats something I have confirmed in an personal email from the UK CAA!
In my case, Belgium is telling me to convert and I can only fly N-regs in my country. I have been writing and complaining about this, but what can I do more if they refuse to honorate ICAO rules?
Cheers
LR
Thanks for your answer.
Here's the deal: officially, all the ICAO states have to recognize each others licenses. So in theory, the holder of an FAA PPL could use it on airplanes registered in other ICAO airplanes. Well, that's how it is on paper. In reality, most JAA states refuse to treat the FAA PPL equal to JAA PPL. National Aviation Authorities in Europe are telling people they have to convert their certificate (that means extra medical and more exams!). Some countries let you fly in their national airspace with an FAA paper, provided you are not a resident of that specific country. As far as I know, only the UK fully complies to the ICAO treaty and allows an American pilot to fly on G-reg aircraft without any conversion. That's even true for flights outside UK airspace, and thats something I have confirmed in an personal email from the UK CAA!
In my case, Belgium is telling me to convert and I can only fly N-regs in my country. I have been writing and complaining about this, but what can I do more if they refuse to honorate ICAO rules?
Cheers
LR
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From: UK
Logging hours on a 'permit to fly'?
Hi all,
There seems to be some confusion as to whether or not hours logged on a permit to fly aircraft can be counted towards hour building for a CPL.
The CAA state that training must be carried out on an aircraft that has a certificate of airworthiness but im being told at my local club that hours on a permit to fly aircraft are eligable.
The aircraft in question is an Evans VP-1 if that helps. Im looking into buying a share and hopefully the hours I log will be useful. Will be great fun anyway if not.
Has anyone else gone down the permit to fly route for hour building?
Cheers.
SNAFU.
There seems to be some confusion as to whether or not hours logged on a permit to fly aircraft can be counted towards hour building for a CPL.
The CAA state that training must be carried out on an aircraft that has a certificate of airworthiness but im being told at my local club that hours on a permit to fly aircraft are eligable.
The aircraft in question is an Evans VP-1 if that helps. Im looking into buying a share and hopefully the hours I log will be useful. Will be great fun anyway if not.
Has anyone else gone down the permit to fly route for hour building?
Cheers.
SNAFU.
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From: out
OPC LPC... can I log the hours on Level D sim in my TT?
Maybe not the best forum for this question but...
Done my OPC LPC on Level D sim.. Can I log those hours as TT multi etc? My Examiner said yes. I am not sure though.I have ATPL and I fly Left seat so it is just for curiousity...
Thanks
Done my OPC LPC on Level D sim.. Can I log those hours as TT multi etc? My Examiner said yes. I am not sure though.I have ATPL and I fly Left seat so it is just for curiousity...
Thanks
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The VP1 is an "aeroplane" (as opposed to glider, motorglider or microlight) and therefore hours in the VP1 do count towards your CPL.
You can do training on an aeroplane which either has a CofA, or you own solely; experience can be gained on anything you were licensed to fly which qualifies as an aeroplane.
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You can do training on an aeroplane which either has a CofA, or you own solely; experience can be gained on anything you were licensed to fly which qualifies as an aeroplane.
G
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From: UK
Logbooks
Has anyone recently sent off their paperwork and logbook etc to the CAA for issue of their CPL/IR?? I currently have a Jeppesen logbook(6 years old) which someone has hinted might not be suitable for JAR FCL purposes. I will be looking to submit everything within the next week or 2 but am now contemplating having to purchase a new logbook first and transpose all the info. My current logbook is one that records decimal time as opposed clock time. Has anyone had any similar experiences??
I should have said - its the UK CAA i'll be submitting my paperwork to.
I should have said - its the UK CAA i'll be submitting my paperwork to.
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From: T2
Give the CAA a call or drop them an email.
Failing that you can buy a JAR one and transfer your hours. If you have your course completion certificates you don't need any stamps in your logbook from FTOs.
Good luck
Failing that you can buy a JAR one and transfer your hours. If you have your course completion certificates you don't need any stamps in your logbook from FTOs.
Good luck
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From: france
In fact, they request the following total time:
Dual hours
P1 hours
P2 hours
Captain hours
Do dual hours and p2 hours mean the same ? the same for p1 hours and captain hours ?
I first thought that P1 hours was for the first officer's hours and P2 for the second officer's hours ?
Dual hours
P1 hours
P2 hours
Captain hours
Do dual hours and p2 hours mean the same ? the same for p1 hours and captain hours ?
I first thought that P1 hours was for the first officer's hours and P2 for the second officer's hours ?