Logbook and Logging Hours Questions
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Logbook and Logging Hours Questions
I have a few hours in my logbook now and am taking lesson as and when i can. I have a mate at work who is a ppl holder and has twins and everything on it. He can hire a small plane for about £60 an hour and has offered to take me up a few times. Now the question....Can i put these hours in my logbook as flying hours...????? Any help or advice will be appreciated, thanks....
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helimutt,
I stand corrected Sir, my apologies. I thought that the new JAR rules meant that you had to be at least CPL to be an FI.. but I accept your post. So am I right in thinking that you can still instruct with PPL but you need FI rating also?
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FD
I stand corrected Sir, my apologies. I thought that the new JAR rules meant that you had to be at least CPL to be an FI.. but I accept your post. So am I right in thinking that you can still instruct with PPL but you need FI rating also?
Thank you,
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I thought that you had to be a CPL to be a FI under the JARs as well...
Helimutt, have you got Grandfather rights from an old CAA PPL/FI or something, or am I wrong about the JARs?
[This message has been edited by foghorn (edited 02 February 2001).]
Helimutt, have you got Grandfather rights from an old CAA PPL/FI or something, or am I wrong about the JARs?
[This message has been edited by foghorn (edited 02 February 2001).]
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Under the new JAR regs you can still be a FI without a CPL. However you cannot be paid to instruct, you also have to pass the CPL theory exams and an approved FI course! This would obviously cost a considerable amount of cash, I'm sure that instructing is rewarding in terms other than cash, but I think that most people going this far would complete a CPL and hopefully be a least be paid some form of wage for their hard efforts(I hope so I'm studying for an CPL/FI(R)my self).
Hope this throws some light on the subject, I believe this information is correct as of today but who knows by tommorow?
Hope this throws some light on the subject, I believe this information is correct as of today but who knows by tommorow?
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Gaps in my logbook
I finished my PPL in May 2000 and due to travelling did not do any flying for approximately a year. I am about to start my CPL and have regained currency. Is it likely that this gap of one year in my logbook will disadvantage me in the future, say when applying for jobs?
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No employer could care less about your PPL flying, or that gap in currency.
What they will study is how current you have kept yourself after getting the CPL/IR (be it instructing/hour building/sim rides/whatever) if you don't land a job immediately.
Two years with no instrument flying isn't going to put you in a good position for a sim check anyway, so make sure you have a plan.
All the best.
What they will study is how current you have kept yourself after getting the CPL/IR (be it instructing/hour building/sim rides/whatever) if you don't land a job immediately.
Two years with no instrument flying isn't going to put you in a good position for a sim check anyway, so make sure you have a plan.
All the best.
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Losing your logbook
Hi!
I was sitting around discussing what a pilot would have to do if he lost his logbook, and I thought I'd check and see what you all think about this.
Imagine a pilot that keeps 1 written logbook where he, obviously, logs every single flight. Our pilot also keeps an electronic version, but he only keeps track of total time, PIC time, SE time, ME time etc. No individual flights. If he lost his written logbook, could he legally buy a new 'paper' logbook, and just transfer the hours from the electronic one, and start over?
I hope that question made sense!??!
I was sitting around discussing what a pilot would have to do if he lost his logbook, and I thought I'd check and see what you all think about this.
Imagine a pilot that keeps 1 written logbook where he, obviously, logs every single flight. Our pilot also keeps an electronic version, but he only keeps track of total time, PIC time, SE time, ME time etc. No individual flights. If he lost his written logbook, could he legally buy a new 'paper' logbook, and just transfer the hours from the electronic one, and start over?
I hope that question made sense!??!
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Regional Guy,
If a trainee pilot, i.e pre license issue lost their logbook, then it should be a simple matter of copying the training records into a new book and getting this signed off by the appropriate training school.
Should a license holder lost their logbook, then the flights post license issue could be accounted in the new log book but would need to be accompanied by an afidavit drawn up by a solicitor and signed by the license holder. The CAA will then look at this record and make a judgement as to what they will allow to be credited, bearing in mind they would have seen the original logbook at license issue and have a trend established.
If a commercial pilot loses his/her logbook, then a similar afidavit would be drawn up, but the records are more auditable since all AOC holders have to keep copies of flight duty hours on a monthly basis and some checks would be made.
Should any Pilot just turn up with a new logbook stating a number of unsubstanciated hours, then this would be considered with extreme caution and proberbly not accepted as a true record.
Most sensible Pilots photocopy their logbook on a regular basis just to cover these situations.
If a trainee pilot, i.e pre license issue lost their logbook, then it should be a simple matter of copying the training records into a new book and getting this signed off by the appropriate training school.
Should a license holder lost their logbook, then the flights post license issue could be accounted in the new log book but would need to be accompanied by an afidavit drawn up by a solicitor and signed by the license holder. The CAA will then look at this record and make a judgement as to what they will allow to be credited, bearing in mind they would have seen the original logbook at license issue and have a trend established.
If a commercial pilot loses his/her logbook, then a similar afidavit would be drawn up, but the records are more auditable since all AOC holders have to keep copies of flight duty hours on a monthly basis and some checks would be made.
Should any Pilot just turn up with a new logbook stating a number of unsubstanciated hours, then this would be considered with extreme caution and proberbly not accepted as a true record.
Most sensible Pilots photocopy their logbook on a regular basis just to cover these situations.
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Avenger,
First let me say thanks for your reply.
I should have stated this earlier, but I was specifically looking for the FAA's view on this. The question came up as a result of me and some fellow instructors sitting around talking about logging flight time. If an instructor loses his logbook, and there is no way to accurately track his previous flight-time, except the electronic log, what can he do?
will a sign statement from this instructor suffice as a legal record showing hours?
First let me say thanks for your reply.
I should have stated this earlier, but I was specifically looking for the FAA's view on this. The question came up as a result of me and some fellow instructors sitting around talking about logging flight time. If an instructor loses his logbook, and there is no way to accurately track his previous flight-time, except the electronic log, what can he do?
will a sign statement from this instructor suffice as a legal record showing hours?
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Always keep a photocopy of each page as it's completed. And keep the photocopies separately from the log book itself. The chances are you will never need them but it will save a great deal of angst if the worst does happen.
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hi!
Thanks to everyone that took the time to reply.
BUT, you guys were missing the point here, it was a hypothetical question where our pilot did not have ANY means other than the electronic log of reconstructing his hours... no photocopies, no two seperate logbooks, no complete flight for flight electronic log.
Thanks to everyone that took the time to reply.
BUT, you guys were missing the point here, it was a hypothetical question where our pilot did not have ANY means other than the electronic log of reconstructing his hours... no photocopies, no two seperate logbooks, no complete flight for flight electronic log.
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I would do just what the CAA tell me to ..... just guess how many hours i had (I already have an ATPL).
See their website FAQ.
http://www.caa.co.uk/srg/licensing/faq.asp?faqid=119
See their website FAQ.
http://www.caa.co.uk/srg/licensing/faq.asp?faqid=119
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Computerized Logbook
Does anyone know of a GOOD computerized logbook, designed for the JAR regulations, and able to cope with airline flying.
I want it to be able to work out 28 day summaries , yearly summaries and be able to easily enter often repeated data ie aircraft and destinations and pilots etc.
I can find loads of FAA ones no JAA and would prefer a recomendation from a user.
Ta All
I want it to be able to work out 28 day summaries , yearly summaries and be able to easily enter often repeated data ie aircraft and destinations and pilots etc.
I can find loads of FAA ones no JAA and would prefer a recomendation from a user.
Ta All
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I saw a good software program for the Palm handheld and it can plug into your PC and print out any page(s) or details that would be required - It looks like it is JAA compliant. Do a search since there are some posts on this topic in the past.
I am fed up with my logbook so I can see myself venturing into the computer age before the not too distant future!
Cheers
I am fed up with my logbook so I can see myself venturing into the computer age before the not too distant future!
Cheers