Logbook and Logging Hours Questions
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Hi,
Think this is the right forum to post on, I am already a commercial pilot, but not JAA. Am doing JAA GS at the mo, but have been told by another JAR pilot that under JAA regs, you have to log each sector, ie if you fly ABZ-LHR-ABZ, this has to go under 2 different entries.
Any Advice
Cheers
JL
Think this is the right forum to post on, I am already a commercial pilot, but not JAA. Am doing JAA GS at the mo, but have been told by another JAR pilot that under JAA regs, you have to log each sector, ie if you fly ABZ-LHR-ABZ, this has to go under 2 different entries.
Any Advice
Cheers
JL
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Hi Jetstream Lover,
Don't know about Airline/Commericial ops but I did my JAA PPL in the US under the 'JAA' rules at a time when 'JAA' was quite new.
For all my training, solo and x-country flights (i.e. the first 50 hours) I logged them without reference to sectors. I noted down each sector time on a bit of paper, totalled them all up and put the total into the Fight Time column, with a description of the trip in the remarks column.
Obviously not the very best thing to do! I was after all, new to it all but probably OK considering 2 CFI's, 2 instructors, a British PPL examiner and the UK CAA all saw/signed my logbook without a complaint! Since then the license has been renewed once and the SEP rating revalidated three times. So far so good!
Don't know about Airline/Commericial ops but I did my JAA PPL in the US under the 'JAA' rules at a time when 'JAA' was quite new.
For all my training, solo and x-country flights (i.e. the first 50 hours) I logged them without reference to sectors. I noted down each sector time on a bit of paper, totalled them all up and put the total into the Fight Time column, with a description of the trip in the remarks column.
Obviously not the very best thing to do! I was after all, new to it all but probably OK considering 2 CFI's, 2 instructors, a British PPL examiner and the UK CAA all saw/signed my logbook without a complaint! Since then the license has been renewed once and the SEP rating revalidated three times. So far so good!
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I have been logging flights on one line for years in my FAA logbook and it has been back to the CAA more times then i care to remember to add ratings on etc and has never been a problem with them so far
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WHICH logbook?
I know I need one, but WHICH?!
IT might sound a bit anal, but I don’t want to be transferring all of my logs to another book in a year, after realising there is a more efficient way to display the logs, and that necessary things have been omitted.
To be specific I DONT want a PPL logbook, as I intend to take my flying to ATPL eventually [yes I know, forward planning!].
I heard that Pooleys Logbook is a waste of time and the CAP 407 one sounded/looked good, but are there any other recommendations?
I'll be doing fixed wing from 0 hours to 'frozen' ATPL... and then obviously ATPL [one day!]. For now its just single engine land, but I need to consider everything and how to detail it all efficiently.
Cheers,
SuperDuperFLY
IT might sound a bit anal, but I don’t want to be transferring all of my logs to another book in a year, after realising there is a more efficient way to display the logs, and that necessary things have been omitted.
To be specific I DONT want a PPL logbook, as I intend to take my flying to ATPL eventually [yes I know, forward planning!].
I heard that Pooleys Logbook is a waste of time and the CAP 407 one sounded/looked good, but are there any other recommendations?
I'll be doing fixed wing from 0 hours to 'frozen' ATPL... and then obviously ATPL [one day!]. For now its just single engine land, but I need to consider everything and how to detail it all efficiently.
Cheers,
SuperDuperFLY
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Glider hours
This might have come up before, but couldn't find it on the search. Can you use glider hours towards your log book hours and if so, can they be used towards the requirements of 100PIC for CPL courses?
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The hours requirements are listed here.
www.caa.co.uk/ default.aspx?categoryid=175&pagetype=90&pageid=4727
It doesn't say anything about glider hours being allowed and I would think it was unlikely that they would give you much, if any, credit for non powered hours flown.
The best thing to do is to contact the Safety Regulation people at the CAA and ask them, they may be able to do something for you.
www.caa.co.uk/ default.aspx?categoryid=175&pagetype=90&pageid=4727
It doesn't say anything about glider hours being allowed and I would think it was unlikely that they would give you much, if any, credit for non powered hours flown.
The best thing to do is to contact the Safety Regulation people at the CAA and ask them, they may be able to do something for you.
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As far as I know, having a Glider Pilot's Licence (or equivalent) entitles you to a reduction of 10 hours or so on your PPL under JAR-FCL 1. Don't quote me on the exact number.
I am not aware of any credit towards CPL.
You can, however, include glider hours to your total hours for CV purposes - provided of course they have been logged. The CAA does indeed consider gliders as aeroplanes (as opposed to ultralights for instance). I know I do - even though it doesn't make much difference to the total, I would hate to leave them out; after all, gliders taught me to get my landings right first time (no going around here)!
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I am not aware of any credit towards CPL.
You can, however, include glider hours to your total hours for CV purposes - provided of course they have been logged. The CAA does indeed consider gliders as aeroplanes (as opposed to ultralights for instance). I know I do - even though it doesn't make much difference to the total, I would hate to leave them out; after all, gliders taught me to get my landings right first time (no going around here)!
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Why pester the CAA when it's all in LASORS D1.2(D):
D1.2(D) NOTES
The 200 hours flying experience may comprise flight time in any of the following capacities:
• Pilot-in-Command/Solo (PIC), counted in full.
• Pilot-under-Instruction (Dual), counted in full.
The following credits will apply towards the total 200mhours of flight time and not the specific requirements of (a)(i) and (ii), (b) or (c) above(Note - The requirements referred to are specific aeroplane requirements):
i) 30 hours as pilot-in-command holding a PPL(H) on helicopters; or
ii) 100 hours as pilot-in-command holding a CPL(H), or as a QSP(H), on helicopters; or
iii) 30 hours as pilot-in-command in touring motor gliders or gliders (including Vigilant).
D1.2(D) NOTES
The 200 hours flying experience may comprise flight time in any of the following capacities:
• Pilot-in-Command/Solo (PIC), counted in full.
• Pilot-under-Instruction (Dual), counted in full.
The following credits will apply towards the total 200mhours of flight time and not the specific requirements of (a)(i) and (ii), (b) or (c) above(Note - The requirements referred to are specific aeroplane requirements):
i) 30 hours as pilot-in-command holding a PPL(H) on helicopters; or
ii) 100 hours as pilot-in-command holding a CPL(H), or as a QSP(H), on helicopters; or
iii) 30 hours as pilot-in-command in touring motor gliders or gliders (including Vigilant).
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Logging IFR Time as PNF
HI Folks,
can a co-pilot log IFR hours when he/she is acting in the capacity of Pilot Not Flying (PNF) in a multi-crew airline environment under JAR regulations?
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can a co-pilot log IFR hours when he/she is acting in the capacity of Pilot Not Flying (PNF) in a multi-crew airline environment under JAR regulations?
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Logging Level D Sim Time
Over the summer I had the unique opportunity to work as an intern for American Airlines. I was able to participate 6 hours in a Level D MD80 full motion simulator. I currently have over 300 hours and 15 multi. I was wondering if i could log the 6 hours i received in the Level D sim time and add them to my multi hours. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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I assume you have an FAA licence. You will need to check with the FAA for the authoritative answer, but in general simulator hours may only be logged in the specific simulator section of your logbook. There are certain exceptions for those undergoing zero-flight-time training - which you presumably were not, nor, I assume, do you hold a rating or were being instructed on the aircraft type which was being simulated. If that is the case, under UK rules I'm pretty sure that you would not be able to log the time in any pilot capacity at all. Whether that is also true under FAA rules, I can't say.
As a general rule, be very careful about logging simulator hours - particularly in an attempt to make your flying hours look greater than they really are. A simulator is not an aircraft, and, for most purposes, simulator hours may not be logged as aircraft hours.
scroggs
As a general rule, be very careful about logging simulator hours - particularly in an attempt to make your flying hours look greater than they really are. A simulator is not an aircraft, and, for most purposes, simulator hours may not be logged as aircraft hours.
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FAA/JAA hours
Basically i'm looking at doing the Procourse through Aviator and then converting to JAA in Europe. I'm just a bit confused over the multi-engine/instructional hours that count towards a JAA fATPL. Are all FAA hours taken into account be it PIC/Instructional/non-instructional? If anybody out there has gone through this course or a similar route i would really appreciate any advice.
Many thanks!
Many thanks!
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Thanks for that FlightDetent, I assume you were answering my question. The reason I asked is that, I fly in Nigeria, and I was told that only the Pilot Flying logs IFR time. I had been logging both PNF and PF prior to this time. And I thought it might look suspicious to the UK CAA(which is the last thing I need) if all of a sudden I started logging only PF as IFR. So do I just carrying on or cancel my previous logbook entries? Considering that at some point in the future, I'll have to produce that same logbook to unfreeze the JAR ATPL.
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