Training in Spain

[DC-8]

When I started my pilot training in Spain about 20 months ago VAT (or IVA here) didn´t apply for pilot studies. So I suppose it hasn´t changed up to date.

[thirtysomething]

even on the flying component ? where are you training ?

[DC-8]

Hi!

I'm studying at Aeromadrid and I have not paid any VAT for the Integrated ATPL course.

And I have some brochures at home of another FTO ,American Flyers Spain, which clarifies that VAT doesn't apply for pilot studies in Spain.

[thirtysomething]

ok, thanks. I thought I would ask as it outlines VAT on some of the prices on the Aerodynamics page at 16%. I own a company in Spain in the " training industry " and what you tell me is rare ( and for me unfortunate )

Enjoy your flying..

[F199]

VAT

In Spain for aircraft rentals you do have to pay VAT but not for courses.

[BlueRobin]

How does Aerodynamics Malaga prices stand up against Aerofan? The former don't publish on their website whilst the latter makes a big thing of it.

[Fletch]

For the Multi Rating + Multi IR Rating I believe they charge Euro 10950 for 21 hours multi time + 35 hours FNPT2 time.

Having looked at the threads regarding Aerodynamics Malaga + Aerofan most of the comments seem to be positive. This appears too good to be true almost; schools with a good reputation, nice locations, good weather leading to quick courses at a greatly reduced price compared to UK based training. I had hoped to complete my multi + IR training in the UK but with potential savings of around £5000 I am starting to consider other options.

Apart from how employers view foreign trained pilots, my biggest hangs ups regarding these schools are the experience and quality of instructors they have and the amount of dead time in the aircraft (ie Holding/Taxying times + positioning of the aircraft for IR training). Are all the UK learning objectives covered in the Spanish IR course? It all helps to see if you are comparing like with like.

Would be good to hear any experience/views people have on these issues with these schools.

Cheers.

[BlueRobin]

Originally Posted by BlueRobin

How does Aerodynamics Malaga prices stand up against Aerofan? The former don't publish on their website whilst the latter makes a big thing of it.

I have a reply from Aerodynamics!

Multi-Engine Instrument Rating Course ME + IR (A) JAR-FCL

Option 1
11.600,-€ / £7.995,-

Option 2
10.950,-€ / £7.552,-

Option 3
8.118,-€ / £5.598,-

Option 4
8.695,-€ / £5.995,-

Requirements (common to all four options):
- Minimum 18 years of age
- Theoretical IR, (recommended theoretical ATPL)
- To hold a PPL (A) including a Night Qualification/Rating
- Flight Radiotelephony Operator’s Licence.
- 70 hours Cross Country flight time as PIC in aeroplanes or
helicopters, of which at least 10 hours shall be in aeroplanes.
N.B.: Medical in accordance with JAR-FCL 3.355(b)

Required documentation at start of the course:
- Photocopy of ID card/passport
- Medical Certificate
- Current licence
- Certificate of hours (or copy last page of logbook)
- 2 passport size photos on paper or electronic format
We are currently offering the following four options:

OPTION 1:
40 hours instrument time under instruction FNPT II
21 hours instrument time under instruction in a Multi Engine
Aircraft BE76 or similar (15 hrs IFR + 6 hrs VFR)
JAR ME (A) (VFR) Skill Test
JAR IR (A) Skill Test

OPTION 2:
35 hours instrument time under instruction FNPT II
21 hours flight instruction (Multi Engine Aircraft BE76)
JAR ME/IR (A) Skill Test
JAR ME/VFR (A) Skill Test

OPTION 3:
35 hours instrument time under instruction FNPT II
15 hours instrument time under instruction (Multi Engine Aircraft BE76)
JAR ME/IR (A) Skill Test

OPTION 4: ME (VFR) holder
40 hours FNPT II
15 hours flight instruction (Multi Engine Aircraft BE76)
JAR ME/IR (A) Skill Test

[PPL152]

I can't figure out what does FNPT II mean?

And I want to get this straight... I have a PPL, if I obtain an ME/IR, does it mean that I am automatically qualified for an SE/IR also? And what about CPL? How does it go about ME and SE?

[smith]

accomodation

Anyone been to Aerodynamics-Malaga? What accomodation did you use and I bet it could be expensive in that part of Spain mid-summer. Anyone planning me/ir end aug/sept time, could maybe rent an appartment there and share costs.

I am heading out there this week to have a look, any questions you'd lie to know answers for, get in touch.

[PPL152]

Originally Posted by claycomm

As for airlines frowning upon your "spanish" license thats a load of bolloc** - I've just applied with an airline and they found no problem with my license. Remember - its a JAA contracting state so uniformity is guaranteed and accepted throughout -

Can you tell us which airlines have/have not accepted you or anything related to you finding a job?

[smith]

Claycomm

Would buying a bicycle make it any easier to get about?

Also do you have to pay the repositioning costs of the aircraft from Malaga to Sevilla?

[PPL152]

aerodynamics sounds great... I wish they offer CPL as well... it will be at least 5 yrs since I'll start my training though :S

[smith]

Thanks Clay

Had a cheap flight lined up to go visit them tomorrow, just phoned them and got a message saying they were closed all week on holiday, guess it must be too warm for them. Do they close for siesta during the afternoon and does the sim training go on in the evening also?

Have you got your CPL now? Where did you do it?

I managed to find a flat in torremolinos via a room sharing website for E200 a month so quite pleased with that.

[geraldn]

Originally Posted by PPL152

I can't figure out what does FNPT II mean?

And I want to get this straight... I have a PPL, if I obtain an ME/IR, does it mean that I am automatically qualified for an SE/IR also? And what about CPL? How does it go about ME and SE?

To have your SEP rating (i presume it was done in malta along with your PPL) issued on your UK F-ATPL /CPL/IR-ME u will have to instruct the CAA in writing to transfer your SEP frrom your maltese licence onto the british one + it will cost you an extra 210STG.

Regarding the CPL i found it easier in the long run to do my CPL on a multi.

[papazulu]

can't figure out what does FNPT II mean?

Flight, Navigation and Procedure Trainer

II stands for "certificated for MCC (Multi Crew Coordination) Training

Bye

PZ

PS. Sure you don't want to listen to your mum & dad and pursuit a lawyer's career...?

[Helipilot1982]

Claycomm is spot on - finish the exams before worrying about the CPL and IR phases. You need the exams passed to do the latter stages of your training anyway.

[PilotWeb.org]

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Si vas a ir tras entrenamiento profesional, asegure de conseguir una escuela que te dará el dólar (o euro) completo por hora de instrucción, y además, enseñarte lo básico, bien fundado. Vea el sitio de abajo para sugerencias y que no te frieguen!

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[BlueRobin]

I do a nice line in smelly socks that are far superior than that European muck Can I start advertising them on pprune also?

[OnRoute]

Level of education at Aerofan?

What is the level of education at Aerofan? I've read from a finnish board (www.fsnordic.net) that they have offered someone to just read a couple of books and this would cover the theory training requirements for FI rating. Does this reflect their overall quality or have things changed?

-OnRoute-