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Yeah i did, looks great too but i don't see myself paying that much money.
I'll call Gestair tomorrow and ask for total fees.
By the way, check this article
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/mh/e...p?startpage=26
I'll call Gestair tomorrow and ask for total fees.
By the way, check this article
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/mh/e...p?startpage=26
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From what i am hearing, i should stay away from airmed.
I've just received a mail from them:
"We are Member of EAAPS. Association that groups the best and most important Aviation Schools in Europe (Lufthansa Flight Training, Oxford Aviation Training, BAE, among others), and we are also members of the AEFA(Agrupación de Escuelas de Formación Aeronáutica)
With our “Integrated Course ATPL” (Airline Transport Pilot Licence)”, our students will obtain just in 14 months, the highest official FTO qualification in the aeronautical field. This allows one to fly for hire or reward in any European (JAA) country."
I mean from what they are saying the academy sure seems good
Although i am wandering how it could all be done in 14 months only..all, if not most of the flight academies offering integrated ATPL i know have at least 17 months of study!
Anyway, i guess i'll just visit and see myself.
Adventia looks great too..i am lost
I've just received a mail from them:
"We are Member of EAAPS. Association that groups the best and most important Aviation Schools in Europe (Lufthansa Flight Training, Oxford Aviation Training, BAE, among others), and we are also members of the AEFA(Agrupación de Escuelas de Formación Aeronáutica)
With our “Integrated Course ATPL” (Airline Transport Pilot Licence)”, our students will obtain just in 14 months, the highest official FTO qualification in the aeronautical field. This allows one to fly for hire or reward in any European (JAA) country."
I mean from what they are saying the academy sure seems good
Although i am wandering how it could all be done in 14 months only..all, if not most of the flight academies offering integrated ATPL i know have at least 17 months of study!
Anyway, i guess i'll just visit and see myself.
Adventia looks great too..i am lost
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Good morning, i have just received a mail from Gestair:
"We are at present setting up our international courses, so at present from our schools we provide the training in Spanish and Portuguese respectively. As a consequence we do not yet have accomodation for students, since most of our students are from the area close to the schools. However, we do help our students to find accomodation whenever necessary.
As I explained you the courses at present are not yet in english. However, if you would like more information related to these courses please do not hesitate to contact me!
At present I am not sure of the exact procedure, but if you are interesting in enrolling at our academy I can find our for you.
I hope I have helped you, if you would like to know more please do not hesitate to let me know!"
Bye gestair
"We are at present setting up our international courses, so at present from our schools we provide the training in Spanish and Portuguese respectively. As a consequence we do not yet have accomodation for students, since most of our students are from the area close to the schools. However, we do help our students to find accomodation whenever necessary.
As I explained you the courses at present are not yet in english. However, if you would like more information related to these courses please do not hesitate to contact me!
At present I am not sure of the exact procedure, but if you are interesting in enrolling at our academy I can find our for you.
I hope I have helped you, if you would like to know more please do not hesitate to let me know!"
Bye gestair
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So Gestair is out..that means i currently have the choice in spain between adventia and topfly.
I am waiting for their mails..
During the mean time, can anyone give me feedback about these 2??
Have a nice day
I am waiting for their mails..
During the mean time, can anyone give me feedback about these 2??
Have a nice day
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Without wishing to be rude to the Spanish, a Spanish IR is quite simply not worth the paper upon which it is written. We see quite a few people who've gained a Spanish IR and, without exception, they are a long way short of the sort of standard that is required.
When it comes to renewing an IR in the UK they ALL need a serious amount of remedial training, very few have been taught the correct techniques in the first place. Of course, the IR holder thinks that he got a good deal in Spain because he got a first time pass - usually being blissfully aware that he would not be able to pass a UK IMC rating test.
I am staggered when I see posts on here which seem to indicate that the choice is being made based upon how smart the website looks - if you select your training provider that way, then you get what you deserve!
When it comes to renewing an IR in the UK they ALL need a serious amount of remedial training, very few have been taught the correct techniques in the first place. Of course, the IR holder thinks that he got a good deal in Spain because he got a first time pass - usually being blissfully aware that he would not be able to pass a UK IMC rating test.
I am staggered when I see posts on here which seem to indicate that the choice is being made based upon how smart the website looks - if you select your training provider that way, then you get what you deserve!
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Wow just received infos from Adventia.
The course is actually 24 months
Isn't that too long? I mean we all finish ATPL (integrated) between 14-20 moths.
The course fees: 68,000 euros.
That is actually very acceptable!
I guess i will give up on Adventia..2 full years is really too long.
In AAE for example, the course takes 14 months.
http://www.aae.pt
Back to my thinking
The course is actually 24 months
Isn't that too long? I mean we all finish ATPL (integrated) between 14-20 moths.
The course fees: 68,000 euros.
That is actually very acceptable!
I guess i will give up on Adventia..2 full years is really too long.
In AAE for example, the course takes 14 months.
http://www.aae.pt
Back to my thinking
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Info on FTO
@BEclouds
Language of the spoken part of Gestairs courses (spain and Portugal) are not in english, however all books, on-line training and flying is.
Note that AAE and Gestair Portugal (portuguese law I suppose)
require the passing of a tough Aeronautical aptitude test, which costs about 300 Euros.
I'm going to lisbon end of september to have a closer insight to gestair.
I speek absolutely no portuguese, still I want do do training there cause I want to learn the lingo.
cheers
Language of the spoken part of Gestairs courses (spain and Portugal) are not in english, however all books, on-line training and flying is.
Note that AAE and Gestair Portugal (portuguese law I suppose)
require the passing of a tough Aeronautical aptitude test, which costs about 300 Euros.
I'm going to lisbon end of september to have a closer insight to gestair.
I speek absolutely no portuguese, still I want do do training there cause I want to learn the lingo.
cheers
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I will pass by Gestair too at end of this month, even though i am giving up on it. Maybe i'll see you there 
Although all of the self-training is done in english, as you said the courses are in spanish/portuguese.
It's definitely a disadvantage for me, in other words i absolutely do not want to take that risk.
Good luck,
BeautifulClouds
Although all of the self-training is done in english, as you said the courses are in spanish/portuguese.
It's definitely a disadvantage for me, in other words i absolutely do not want to take that risk.
Good luck,
BeautifulClouds
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Oh thanks.
72,000 euros is a good price.
Do you have an idea about accommodation?
I mean are the 72,000 with accommodation included?
Note: If you have an idea about the different accommodation offers, please let me know (food 3X a day, internet 24/7, etc..)
72,000 euros is a good price.
Do you have an idea about accommodation?
I mean are the 72,000 with accommodation included?
Note: If you have an idea about the different accommodation offers, please let me know (food 3X a day, internet 24/7, etc..)
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@BEclouds
AAE is responsible for all the arrangements with CAE. This price also includes CRM theory training at AAE and Hotel room based on CAE centre home town (Netherlands), but excludes breakfast and transportation, during the period of the MCC course.
The total cost of 72000 euros includes exam fees, licence issue, uniform, manuals and flight material but excludes transportation, board and lodging, and the enrolling fee of 1.350 €.
AAE is responsible for all the arrangements with CAE. This price also includes CRM theory training at AAE and Hotel room based on CAE centre home town (Netherlands), but excludes breakfast and transportation, during the period of the MCC course.
The total cost of 72000 euros includes exam fees, licence issue, uniform, manuals and flight material but excludes transportation, board and lodging, and the enrolling fee of 1.350 €.
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Sweet thanks. AAE is the academy i am really aiming for.
The only thing that scares me is that it's all done in 14 months.
I do not want to spend my training time rushing you see.
I am visiting the academy in 3 weeks.
If i cannot make it for the start in october, i'll have to wait till january 02.
Bclouds
The only thing that scares me is that it's all done in 14 months.
I do not want to spend my training time rushing you see.
I am visiting the academy in 3 weeks.
If i cannot make it for the start in october, i'll have to wait till january 02.
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You should go to the big presentation their having on the 20th, which I cant attend to unfortunately.
I'll probably be at Gestair on the 27th of Sept.
U also visiting Topfly on your Europe-trip? I'm in BCN from 25th-27th.
You should go to the big presentation their having on the 20th, which I cant attend to unfortunately.
I'll probably be at Gestair on the 27th of Sept.
U also visiting Topfly on your Europe-trip? I'm in BCN from 25th-27th.
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Well i didn't know they are having a presentation on the 20th!
Can you give me more infos??
During my time in Europe, i will be visiting the following schools:
Spain:
Gestair
Topfly
Adventia
Aeromadrid
FTE
Portugal:
AAE
Sweden:
Scandinavian Aviation Academy
Switzerland:
Swiss Aviation Training
If you need to know more about these, or even want me to visit other flight schools in these countries for infos, let me know.
BeautifulClouds
By the way, just received info from Aeromadrid:
ATP (integrated) : 20 months
86,000 euros (everything, housing included, excluding meals)
They have a A320 simulator for type rating
A bit expensive, but apparently very good.
Any feedback about aeromadrid?
Can you give me more infos??
During my time in Europe, i will be visiting the following schools:
Spain:
Gestair
Topfly
Adventia
Aeromadrid
FTE
Portugal:
AAE
Sweden:
Scandinavian Aviation Academy
Switzerland:
Swiss Aviation Training
If you need to know more about these, or even want me to visit other flight schools in these countries for infos, let me know.
BeautifulClouds
By the way, just received info from Aeromadrid:
ATP (integrated) : 20 months
86,000 euros (everything, housing included, excluding meals)
They have a A320 simulator for type rating
A bit expensive, but apparently very good.
Any feedback about aeromadrid?
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Posted by DC-8 on 1/9/07
1st September 2007, 09:18
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Apart from FTE and Adventia I would recommend Gestair Flying Academy. From my point of view Aeromadrid is not a good choice at the moment. It used to be one of the best flight schools in Spain, however, is having very bad economical and management problems at the moment. Almost 90% of the fleet is U/S and they had a fatal accident some weeks ago.
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Apart from FTE and Adventia I would recommend Gestair Flying Academy. From my point of view Aeromadrid is not a good choice at the moment. It used to be one of the best flight schools in Spain, however, is having very bad economical and management problems at the moment. Almost 90% of the fleet is U/S and they had a fatal accident some weeks ago.
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Moggiee wrote:
Ouch! You certainly didn't mention my IR skills when I did my MCC at your "establishment". I've just checked my logbook and when I renewed the Spanish IR for the first time (at a certain well known UK FTO at LBA), the "serious amount of remedial training" came out as 1.1hrs pre-test training and then a successful renewal test.
My personal opinion is that the flying school matters a lot less than the student's attitude to flight training.
Without wishing to be rude to the Spanish, a Spanish IR is quite simply not worth the paper upon which it is written. We see quite a few people who've gained a Spanish IR and, without exception, they are a long way short of the sort of standard that is required.
When it comes to renewing an IR in the UK they ALL need a serious amount of remedial training, very few have been taught the correct techniques in the first place. Of course, the IR holder thinks that he got a good deal in Spain because he got a first time pass - usually being blissfully aware that he would not be able to pass a UK IMC rating test.
When it comes to renewing an IR in the UK they ALL need a serious amount of remedial training, very few have been taught the correct techniques in the first place. Of course, the IR holder thinks that he got a good deal in Spain because he got a first time pass - usually being blissfully aware that he would not be able to pass a UK IMC rating test.
My personal opinion is that the flying school matters a lot less than the student's attitude to flight training.
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@BCLouds
well, thank you very much.
I'm sure you'll gather alot of valuable info on this trip, in which I would love to take some insight.
cheers
P.S.: Try BFS Salzburg, AUSTRIA www.verkehrsfliegerschule.at . They do "Zero To ATPL" for 55000 euros (excl. board and lodge)
well, thank you very much.
I'm sure you'll gather alot of valuable info on this trip, in which I would love to take some insight.
cheers
P.S.: Try BFS Salzburg, AUSTRIA www.verkehrsfliegerschule.at . They do "Zero To ATPL" for 55000 euros (excl. board and lodge)
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No problem.
I'll give you all necessary infos, feedback and thoughts on my visits.
verkehrsfliegerschule looks sweet, but there is no english language!
PS: I asked aeromadrid when i could visit the academy, their answer:
"I suggest you to come next week on Tuesday 11th. We have that day an Open Day with four or five candidates (Dutch and Irish). We will start about 13:00 with a snack with actual student-pilots, visit to the facilities, a flight test in the PA34 simulator, and a final flight in the Airbus A-320 simulator, finishing at 20:00."
That's a great opportunity!
I'll do my best to be there.
BeautifulClouds
I'll give you all necessary infos, feedback and thoughts on my visits.
verkehrsfliegerschule looks sweet, but there is no english language!
PS: I asked aeromadrid when i could visit the academy, their answer:
"I suggest you to come next week on Tuesday 11th. We have that day an Open Day with four or five candidates (Dutch and Irish). We will start about 13:00 with a snack with actual student-pilots, visit to the facilities, a flight test in the PA34 simulator, and a final flight in the Airbus A-320 simulator, finishing at 20:00."
That's a great opportunity!
I'll do my best to be there.
BeautifulClouds
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