Training in Spain
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Well, I have trained there recently (IR) and I must say that it was a very good set up.
There was one chap that was doing an FI course whilst I was in Madrid, and I don't know about reading "just" a couple of books, but I can say that he was at the school the whole day, in and out of classrooms and he even came and flew a couple of times with my instructor and I, as I think that they encourage FI students to go in as many flights as possible and get some first hand experience from behind.
I do know for certain that FI courses are only taught by senior instructors. I suppose that's fairly logical.
There was one chap that was doing an FI course whilst I was in Madrid, and I don't know about reading "just" a couple of books, but I can say that he was at the school the whole day, in and out of classrooms and he even came and flew a couple of times with my instructor and I, as I think that they encourage FI students to go in as many flights as possible and get some first hand experience from behind.
I do know for certain that FI courses are only taught by senior instructors. I suppose that's fairly logical.
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Just remeber : avoid Airmed.
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Went out to Aerodynamics-Malaga on a recce last week. Eveerything looks great, new, air conditioned and very professional. Am heading out for ME/IR in Sept and being in southeren Spain, the weather is fab.
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For what it's worth - I did my PPL and CPL in the UK. Did my ME/IR in 3 weeks in Madrid at Aerofan. No problems with rating issues on my truly blue CAA license. Since done FI there too.
What I would say is this... some snobbery around at the moment about Spanish issued ratings (especially in Scotland?!). Probably fair up to a point as the examiners in Spain are more prone to listening to how the instructors perceive you before you go to test. Less ex-RAF egotism.
In my MCC and more recent airways flying I've had no problem with my instrument flying (as you would hope), and think I can hold my own with the best of the UK-taught crowd. Same goes with instructing. Quietly confident that I can teach pretty well.
Not sure the airlines fancy those spanish issued ratings, but if you can find an interview and prove you're up to it then who cares! I'm going back for a renewal early next month. It probably IS easier to get the ratings there than here, and IS cheaper. My conclusion is that it's up the individual - you can probably pass quicker and with less "talent" in Spain. Up to you how good a pilot you want to be... Happy to answer individual questions via private message. Not biased, in a nice job, and will tell it how i see it (warts and all!).
What I would say is this... some snobbery around at the moment about Spanish issued ratings (especially in Scotland?!). Probably fair up to a point as the examiners in Spain are more prone to listening to how the instructors perceive you before you go to test. Less ex-RAF egotism.
In my MCC and more recent airways flying I've had no problem with my instrument flying (as you would hope), and think I can hold my own with the best of the UK-taught crowd. Same goes with instructing. Quietly confident that I can teach pretty well.
Not sure the airlines fancy those spanish issued ratings, but if you can find an interview and prove you're up to it then who cares! I'm going back for a renewal early next month. It probably IS easier to get the ratings there than here, and IS cheaper. My conclusion is that it's up the individual - you can probably pass quicker and with less "talent" in Spain. Up to you how good a pilot you want to be... Happy to answer individual questions via private message. Not biased, in a nice job, and will tell it how i see it (warts and all!).
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Thanks for your comments metar. FWIW most Scottish based airlines seem to have foreign based piolt's at the pointy end including Spanish. Admittedly these guys will not be your 250hr guys. You got me kinda worried now as I would like to do my me/ir in Spain mostly due to flying conditions.
Do the recruiters actually comment on your the fact that you have Spanish ratings when you are at interview?
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Do the recruiters actually comment on your the fact that you have Spanish ratings when you are at interview?
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No probs. I think I would agree that the Scottish regionals are taking on all sorts of strange folk rather than the 1000 hour instructors from local airfields (of which I am one). It doesn't massively bother me as I am happy instructing for the timebeing.
Weather in Spain is truly fantastic. Not sure I actually saw a cloud through my instrument training, but that's what panels are there for! Have more than made up for my IMC time since back in Blighty!
Feel free to message me if you want any specific questions answered.
Weather in Spain is truly fantastic. Not sure I actually saw a cloud through my instrument training, but that's what panels are there for! Have more than made up for my IMC time since back in Blighty!
Feel free to message me if you want any specific questions answered.
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Flight training Cpl in spain, confused!
Intend to do ME/IR in spain after completion of CPL and ATPL exams. Training with BGS at moment. Why are US flight training schools CAA approved for JAR/CPL JAR-FCL & Flying in Spain
and not Spain. Do I have to do CPL training in uk, bcause study & exams is UK based.
All flight training done for the issue of a licence (PPL or CPL), must be done in the same JAR country where the theoretical training and examinations have been done.
Flight training for additional ratings, i.e. IR, ME-IR, MEP, FI, CRI, A320 etc, can be done in any JAR member state. All new ratings will be inserted into the JAR licence by the "State of Licence Issue".
Spanish Air traffic controllers do like drinking coffee and tea, just like any other air traffic controller, but I think you'll find that it's very rare in Spain for a controller to deny you permission to fly a few approaches, even if you're in a PA28 or a C172. Obviously this might not be the case in large class 1 international airports such as Malaga, Palma or Alicante in summer, due to traffic.
RT in Spain is in either English or Spanish. RT in most countries is exactly the same... either English or the local language.
Hope that info. helps.
and not Spain. Do I have to do CPL training in uk, bcause study & exams is UK based.
All flight training done for the issue of a licence (PPL or CPL), must be done in the same JAR country where the theoretical training and examinations have been done.
Flight training for additional ratings, i.e. IR, ME-IR, MEP, FI, CRI, A320 etc, can be done in any JAR member state. All new ratings will be inserted into the JAR licence by the "State of Licence Issue".
Spanish Air traffic controllers do like drinking coffee and tea, just like any other air traffic controller, but I think you'll find that it's very rare in Spain for a controller to deny you permission to fly a few approaches, even if you're in a PA28 or a C172. Obviously this might not be the case in large class 1 international airports such as Malaga, Palma or Alicante in summer, due to traffic.
RT in Spain is in either English or Spanish. RT in most countries is exactly the same... either English or the local language.
Hope that info. helps.
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Why are US flight training schools CAA approved for JAR/CPL
In such a market, the CAA had to extend its approval outside of UK borders. There are other countries on the approval list.
However the situation with the market post-2001 rather changed things around for the training market, as has the European JAR and now encompassing EASA jurisdiction.
One could argue that there ought to be a central European EASA approval system thus taking away another tier of CAA control over the flight crew licensing system. EASA-wide FCL should be up soon on EASA's agenda.
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P.S. A big hello to fellow pprooner and reader of Wannabes Liam T whom I met yesterday quite by coincidence at my flying club.
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schools in spain
I have followed my Cpl and Ifr ratings at Adventia.
It is a very good school and I must say that Salamanca is amazing,very lively!!But would not raccomend it at the moment because most of the flight instructors are now flying for Vueling and Air Europa.
I would suggest the flight school in Jerez because it seems that a lot of students get easily an interview with UK airlines after completion of the course.
It is a very good school and I must say that Salamanca is amazing,very lively!!But would not raccomend it at the moment because most of the flight instructors are now flying for Vueling and Air Europa.
I would suggest the flight school in Jerez because it seems that a lot of students get easily an interview with UK airlines after completion of the course.
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I've done my ME / IR, FI and a renewal at Aerofan in Madrid and would definitely recommend them (with the usual warning that whilst no problems getting it onto my UK CPL I'm not convinced the airlines particularly "like" spanish ratings...)
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I often wonder if the Spainish airlines turn their noses up at applications unless the pilot has an IR from a UK training establishment ?
And how many FAA IR pilots and non UK JAA IR pilots are flying over our heads and in and out of our airports everyday putting us all at risk ?
And how many FAA IR pilots and non UK JAA IR pilots are flying over our heads and in and out of our airports everyday putting us all at risk ?
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Hello all.
I am planning on taking a few days off from work soon to go and check out some FTO's in Southern Spain. I will be flying into Malaga to start my research. Then moving on to go and see more FTO's at both Seville and Jerez.
Can anybody give me any background knowledge (first hand prefferable) about the various schools at these locations? FTE at Jerez obviously jumps into thought first, due to it's widespread reputation. But what about other places, such as Aerodynamics etc?
Thanks in advance guys 'n girls!
I am planning on taking a few days off from work soon to go and check out some FTO's in Southern Spain. I will be flying into Malaga to start my research. Then moving on to go and see more FTO's at both Seville and Jerez.
Can anybody give me any background knowledge (first hand prefferable) about the various schools at these locations? FTE at Jerez obviously jumps into thought first, due to it's widespread reputation. But what about other places, such as Aerodynamics etc?
Thanks in advance guys 'n girls!
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The top School in Spain is Adventia in Salamanca.
Let's say it is the Spanish equivalent of OFT.
Let's say it is the Spanish equivalent of OFT.
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All the same
OPPOSITION TO SPANISH TRAINING ROUTE FOR IR
Europe is becoming similar to the US with many northern folks heading south to do their training; this process will continue; as for all this CAA vs Spanish equiv the opposition to this will all melt away in time as people realise that these people are actually flying into the UK from Spain anyway rather like the FAA chappies flying into Heathrow everyday with FAA IRs! Very un-British of me I know; but hey we live in the era of low cost flying and if its cheaper then hey thats what these low-co people practice themselves; I think they should encourage their pilots to do the same encourage it - you cant have it both ways!
Europe is becoming similar to the US with many northern folks heading south to do their training; this process will continue; as for all this CAA vs Spanish equiv the opposition to this will all melt away in time as people realise that these people are actually flying into the UK from Spain anyway rather like the FAA chappies flying into Heathrow everyday with FAA IRs! Very un-British of me I know; but hey we live in the era of low cost flying and if its cheaper then hey thats what these low-co people practice themselves; I think they should encourage their pilots to do the same encourage it - you cant have it both ways!
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Accommodation in Madrid
Where have you stayed while training at Cuatro Vientos? I'm heading to Madrid next spring for a week and probably for a month during the coming summer and I'm looking for some reasonable priced accommodation where I can easily reach the airport.
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Im thinking of visiting Aerofan within the next two weeks and would very much appreciate any local knowledge from anybody that is/has been over there. What hotels would people recomend, would it be easier to hire a car ect.
Thanks
CP
Thanks
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I stayed in the suburb of leganes on the hotel Avenida, 8 min walk to the bus which will get you to CW in maybe 20 min- bear in mind that you are in the suburbs and the city center is far away- It looks fancier on http://www.cadenahotelavenida.com/ than it is but its fine, clean and new and shops and bars, restaurents are close. there must be countless hotels in the area, but let me know if you diig up anything cheaper and better.
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Pilot schools in Málaga.
Hello,
I'm new to this forum. I'm 17 and will be finishing college the coming June 2007. After that I'm planning to become a pilot but I really don't know the procedures to becoming one. I have researched one school here called "Aerodynamics-Málaga" and they have given me information on the course but what worries me is how will I be able to apply for the airlines? Could someone, who possibly lives here in Spain, give me details on the procedures of joining the school and applying for an airline when I finished the course?
Thank you.
I'm new to this forum. I'm 17 and will be finishing college the coming June 2007. After that I'm planning to become a pilot but I really don't know the procedures to becoming one. I have researched one school here called "Aerodynamics-Málaga" and they have given me information on the course but what worries me is how will I be able to apply for the airlines? Could someone, who possibly lives here in Spain, give me details on the procedures of joining the school and applying for an airline when I finished the course?
Thank you.
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Would someone explain to me what the differences are between options 3 and 4 please. Thanks
I have a reply from Aerodynamics!
Multi-Engine Instrument Rating Course ME + IR (A) JAR-FCL
Option 1
11.600,-€ / £7.995,-
Option 2
10.950,-€ / £7.552,-
Option 3
8.118,-€ / £5.598,-
Option 4
8.695,-€ / £5.995,-
Requirements (common to all four options):
- Minimum 18 years of age
- Theoretical IR, (recommended theoretical ATPL)
- To hold a PPL (A) including a Night Qualification/Rating
- Flight Radiotelephony Operator’s Licence.
- 70 hours Cross Country flight time as PIC in aeroplanes or
helicopters, of which at least 10 hours shall be in aeroplanes.
N.B.: Medical in accordance with JAR-FCL 3.355(b)
Required documentation at start of the course:
- Photocopy of ID card/passport
- Medical Certificate
- Current licence
- Certificate of hours (or copy last page of logbook)
- 2 passport size photos on paper or electronic format
We are currently offering the following four options:
OPTION 1:
40 hours instrument time under instruction FNPT II
21 hours instrument time under instruction in a Multi Engine
Aircraft BE76 or similar (15 hrs IFR + 6 hrs VFR)
JAR ME (A) (VFR) Skill Test
JAR IR (A) Skill Test
OPTION 2:
35 hours instrument time under instruction FNPT II
21 hours flight instruction (Multi Engine Aircraft BE76)
JAR ME/IR (A) Skill Test
JAR ME/VFR (A) Skill Test
OPTION 3:
35 hours instrument time under instruction FNPT II
15 hours instrument time under instruction (Multi Engine Aircraft BE76)
JAR ME/IR (A) Skill Test
OPTION 4: ME (VFR) holder
40 hours FNPT II
15 hours flight instruction (Multi Engine Aircraft BE76)
JAR ME/IR (A) Skill Test
Multi-Engine Instrument Rating Course ME + IR (A) JAR-FCL
Option 1
11.600,-€ / £7.995,-
Option 2
10.950,-€ / £7.552,-
Option 3
8.118,-€ / £5.598,-
Option 4
8.695,-€ / £5.995,-
Requirements (common to all four options):
- Minimum 18 years of age
- Theoretical IR, (recommended theoretical ATPL)
- To hold a PPL (A) including a Night Qualification/Rating
- Flight Radiotelephony Operator’s Licence.
- 70 hours Cross Country flight time as PIC in aeroplanes or
helicopters, of which at least 10 hours shall be in aeroplanes.
N.B.: Medical in accordance with JAR-FCL 3.355(b)
Required documentation at start of the course:
- Photocopy of ID card/passport
- Medical Certificate
- Current licence
- Certificate of hours (or copy last page of logbook)
- 2 passport size photos on paper or electronic format
We are currently offering the following four options:
OPTION 1:
40 hours instrument time under instruction FNPT II
21 hours instrument time under instruction in a Multi Engine
Aircraft BE76 or similar (15 hrs IFR + 6 hrs VFR)
JAR ME (A) (VFR) Skill Test
JAR IR (A) Skill Test
OPTION 2:
35 hours instrument time under instruction FNPT II
21 hours flight instruction (Multi Engine Aircraft BE76)
JAR ME/IR (A) Skill Test
JAR ME/VFR (A) Skill Test
OPTION 3:
35 hours instrument time under instruction FNPT II
15 hours instrument time under instruction (Multi Engine Aircraft BE76)
JAR ME/IR (A) Skill Test
OPTION 4: ME (VFR) holder
40 hours FNPT II
15 hours flight instruction (Multi Engine Aircraft BE76)
JAR ME/IR (A) Skill Test