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Old 12th Oct 2016, 10:58
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Agreed Parson.

It needs to be done in one of these.



However the media cannot seem to grasp the difference between a Tiger Moth and any other small aircraft.
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Well at least she found the front seat in that photo. Quite astonishing..
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Old 12th Oct 2016, 12:12
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It really would be historic if Amanda could do the journey as it would make her the only woman to have flown UK to Australia in a DH since Jean Batten.

In May 1934, Batten successfully flew solo from England to Australia in the Gipsy Moth. Her trip of 14 days and 22 hours beat the existing England-to-Australia record of English aviator Amy Johnson by over four days
I wonder if it is logistically possible to beat that record in a Tiger Moth or indeed Amy's?
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Old 12th Oct 2016, 14:45
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Just sent off my vote to the PFA (whoops LAA)......!!!!
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Old 12th Oct 2016, 14:59
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Please help me out here:

1. Amy Johnson

2. T C-T

3. Jan Schonburg

Is that correct, over?

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I have just read what, for me at least, is a very worrying post on the LAA forum.

The poster tends to agree with the idea that this is all a charade and that HCAP, LAA et al have been hoodwinked. The worrying part is the suggested face-saving idea that these bodies redress the issue by giving the awards to the whole team involved in the flights! WHAT!!!

So let me get this straight, the best way to save face is to reward all those others who, in one way or another, are complicit in this blatant deception.
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Old 12th Oct 2016, 16:21
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Are you able to reply to him via the LAA SWB?

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Old 12th Oct 2016, 16:57
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Could somebody please post the combined evidence against her.

I don't mean rumour etc, I mean links to actual interviews where she says she is solo. Not other people saying she is solo. Not journalists saying what she thinks she is.
Video of her not solo. Photocopys of flight plans.
Anything else that is a smoking gun.

I'm hearing one side here and the opposite from others, and I'd like to form an informed opinion rather than just jumping on the bandwagon and putting her in the stocks.
 
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AK7274: Sadly not mate, I am not a member on that forum. I'd prefer others who are to read it and make up their own minds.


Canute, there are plenty of images and video of her in the SoA and a front seat pax is clearly visible.
There are images of her giving presentations standing in front of a screen emblazoned with the word ALONE
There is a direct quote from her in the Telegraph (see my post #1660) where it is claimed " I am flying to the end of the world on my own" and I have no reason to doubt its validity as coming from her mouth and into print.
Then there is the image where she is receiving the AWPA certificate emblazoned with the word SOLO, had she any integrity she would have pointed out the "error".

There are far too many unrelated sources that mention SOLO, are they all getting it wrong or are they all just reporting what they have been told. Including a branch of the Women's Institute who reported upon their guest speaker and the tales of SOLO flight.


You only need to go back to around page 80 of this read and read on from there. If you watch any of the videos, have a sick-bag to hand. :-)

...and finally, in almost all images, the most offensive lie; the RAF Brevet.

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Old 12th Oct 2016, 17:42
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Well, let's say I'm convinced. If I'm going to point the unconvinced (but relevant in HCAP) at a thread, it helps if it's all together in one place. That way laziness such as mine won't be a factor.
 
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You may have a point there, Canute.
I would point out, though, that the inherent laziness of many beings is what allows most parasites to thrive.
To the astute observer, the pages of this thread alone should pique a thinking person's natural curiosity.
I know many people expect to be spoon-fed these days, but..

Looking at it from a legal standpoint, if we wish, I would think that there is quite enough evidence already available for a competent magistrate to make a positive finding.
Further, access to certain documents required to be kept on file within media outlets would seal it.
That's the easily detectable bit of poop that the TCT machine's cat hadn't thought to cover over.
Oh dear.

Then, if we really want to get funny, let's have a look at the money trail.
That could become embarrassing for some.

This thing is a bit bigger than just that of some silly flivver flier telling a few fibs.

Where are you, FL?
We need your wise counsel.

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Old 12th Oct 2016, 18:55
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Originally Posted by Canute
Well, let's say I'm convinced. If I'm going to point the unconvinced (but relevant in HCAP) at a thread, it helps if it's all together in one place. That way laziness such as mine won't be a factor.
I think you do have a point. Would it be possible for one of the principal protagonists in this thread to put together an unemotional list or transcript of all the various sources that have been discussed, and for that to be published where it wont get buried in another 80 odd pages of posts arguing about it?

If people from outside this forum, some of whom may well have bought into the TCT story, even perhaps to the extent of giving her an award, are to be convinced: that is the best, and probably the only, way to do so.

Perhaps the mods could be persuaded to put it into a locked sticky thread and invite comment, corrections and arguments for and against it to be posted in this thread.

Any successful refutation of any of the sources should then promptly be reflected in the sticky thread by the mods on a fair and objective basis.

That way there would be a clear statement of the case against Ms Curtis-Taylor together with a clearly stated willingness to correct any errors of fact.
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Old 12th Oct 2016, 18:56
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Canute,

I'm an interested bystander (for reasons I'll keep to myself just now) and consider myself a very fair minded bloke. I was a flight commander for many years, so well used to working off facts, not scuttle butt.

Here are three things that have gone a long way to making up my mind:

1. on this thread at #1423, there is a picture of said lady standing in front of a powerpoint,"xxxx miles alone in an open cockpit".

2. If you use the Wayback Engine (you can Google it if you don't know what it is) you will see her website used to refer to a solo flight. Presumably it has since been amended.

3. Most damming in my opinion (and integrity is a big thing in aviation, and in the military) the clear obfuscation (oxymoron intended) in her statement on her website (still there last time I looked). If she is remotely interested in clearing anything it up it could not be easier. All she has to do is spell out who was in the aircraft on each leg and what their flying duties (if any) were, together with certified copies of her and her "other pilots" logbook entries for the flights in question. How easy is that, and why has it not been done? Instead of that her "clarification" absolutely reeks of bull dung. Go see it for yourself.
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Old 12th Oct 2016, 19:24
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Like most people I saw the Aviatrix movie and was in awe of the achievement. I really did think it was her doing all the work whilst been followed by a film crew. This sort of thing happens a lot on TV, I even overlooked the shots that clearly showed two in the aircraft (although in hindsight these shots are very rare due to careful editing) due to the narration and the fantastic scenery..

I was then made aware of this thread and others that were casting doubt into the validity of the claims.
The more I read the more I realised how easily I had been mislead, misdirected and misinformed by that film and all that surrounded the promotion of the flights.

Scratch off the veneer and it starts to unravel, I did my own digging as I like to know the truth, especially when I am told I have been taken as a mug, and I started to see that not only was there deception, but it was also getting rave reviews and personal reward.

I then looked into her background and things just didn't add up with licences, jobs and careers. The final straw for me was the initial belief that the wings she wears are FAA brevet and I took that as an insult. The fact that they are RAF ones does not justify her wearing them and demeans every man and woman that has slogged to earn the right to wear theirs. In my mind I was looking at a classic Walt - but worse still - one that has earned continued adulation and no doubt financial gain from it all.

Surely HCAP can do the same as I did, it's not as if they haven't had time to verify or disprove what has been said. I think those in a precarious position know that something is not right; why else would citations be reworded or awards given, be up for discussion by the very people that issued them?

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Old 12th Oct 2016, 21:52
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TOFO, if I may quote you, in part...
".. integrity is a big thing in aviation, and in the military".

There have been a couple of casual posters who have come on here asking .. 'Haven't you people got anything better to do with your lives?'
Well, having a bit of background in both of the above, like you, I do take exception to commercial interests and narcissists using the presently trendy
'advancement of women' cause, coupled with the achievements and sacrifices of others, to advance their own interests.

I find it a very sad indictment on our society that otherwise respectable institutions have allowed themselves to be conned into not just facilitating,
but promoting, this disgraceful fraud.
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Old 12th Oct 2016, 22:15
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Stanwell, following on the theme of integrity, I would like to pose two related questions to Ewald.

1. At any point in these flights did you fly the SoA?
2. If so, for what reason?

I trust that he would answer honestly and his response would solve this beyond any doubt in my mind.

The LAA thread has opened up the human impact this is going to have on TCT and I have some compassion to a limited extent. That said, I think LAA and HCAP must put that aside as it is really her own doing.

As far as I see it she has two choices, either front it out and challenge her accusers, or openly accept that she was wrong: Sitting back, saying nothing and hoping it will blow over is not the way forward yet this is what is happening. Facebook pages, website and other sources of media promotion are eerily quiet.

I discount the wiki page from all of this as that is just an ongoing joke.
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 01:09
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Ref #1746

Hi,

Even if TCT had not herself claimed that it is a SOLO flight, she must surely be morally/ethically responsible for the results that followed; unless she is totally UNAWARE of the glowing solo reports in the main media and elsewhere,including that bold statement of the solo achievement awarded by the Ozzie Women's Pilot Association(inscribed on the certificate that she received). In a sense she's responsible for what her team has done,even if she had no direct hand in the phrasing etc.

Careful choice of words and juxtaposition by the PR team and releases on emulating AJ's SOLO flight has been taken by,less discerning readers/reporters ,to be what TCT will be doing.

I will accept an arguement for diminished responsibility if she can show that she was uncomfortable with all those SOLO reports and had told her PR team that what they were doing or had drafted were wrong and that they should correct the wrong reporting by the world's press.

I mentioned earlier that in this day and age,all she needed to do was to put a statement in her FB,saying press reports of her flying solo was wrong.This would have cleared the air much earlier.

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Quite so, aviator 38.

Now .. it is my assessment that these ongoing deceptions were not quite so cleverly planned.
Of course, we've all heard of the phrase "Plausible Deniability" haven't we?
In this case, I'm afraid that the deniability is not plausible because she has left way too many fingerprints behind.
Silly girl.
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I believe the late Justice Mahon's famous words "orchestrated litany of lies" could well be applied to this case.

That quote comes from the Erebus (TE901) Royal Commision para 377. Justice Mahon's words could be equally about the TC-T story.

“The palpably false sections of evidence which I heard could not have been the result of mistake, or faulty recollection. They originated, I am compelled to say, in a pre-determined plan of deception. They were very clearly part of an attempt to conceal a series of disastrous administrative blunders and so… I am forced reluctantly to say that I had to listen to an orchestrated litany of lies.”
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 06:53
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Canute (and others)

The point of my reply was simply to point out that I was off a similar mindset to you a couple of weeks back and felt I could not justify to myself posting again in this thread until I had done a little digging myself.

That digging took all of five minutes.

Here's another approach.

If I imagine I was TCT, and, as have many of us have done, got caught up in something which snowballed as a matter of over-enthusiasm, misguidance (mine and others) and perhaps an eye on future "benefits", what would I have done when the penny started to drop that I had over-egged the pudding.

I know EXACTLY what I would done, because like anybody with 27 years in military aviation, it is wrapped into my DNA.

I would have collated the exact facts of all the flying and promulgated them every-which way I could. Websites, Facestalk, Twitter...the full monty. Together with an apology, if I felt the difference between my actual achievements and my perceived achievements merited one.

Given no such clarification exists - just some weasley worded PR crap - my current position is this:

Either all the naysayers on here have got it wrong (that appears to be unlikely, given my own five minute research)

Or, TCT's actions are premeditated and carefully constructed.

IF it proves to be the latter I cannot tell you how **** ing angry I would be, given the waltish nature military connections and the fact that they seem to have been given official endorsement.

So now I am an interested bystander...who wants to know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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